Indeed it is..!!!houndawg wrote:Isn't Washington one of the States that doesn't allow home owners to capture rain runoff?
but that doesn't count 
Wouldn't simply jacking up water prices something like 5-10x have the same effect? Most people couldn't afford to water lawns, fill swimming pools & hot tubs, regularly take long showers, etc. Would probably curb water use more and bring in more $$ than an army of water police driving around to fine people possibly could, and you wouldn't have to hire an army of water police, install smart meters, etc..SDHornet wrote:Meh. It's the large water users that are the issue, but there still needs to me more crackdowns on the stupid water use like watering lawns, etc. I don't waste water, or use it on stupid thinkgs like a lawn, but I won't take the drought seriously until there "water monitors" driving around 24/7 issuing fines for water waste.dbackjon wrote:When all the water is metered, and realistic charges happen, I will believe it. I still am skeptical that many will find ways to weasel out of the requirements.
The one at the bottom.dbackjon wrote:So T-man, if you were the Reservoir Top Dawg, what ones would you build/expand?
Sites should be accelerated. Could be completed in three years...AND THERE'S MONEY ALREADY AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE IT!!!dbackjon wrote:So T-man, if you were the Reservoir Top Dawg, what ones would you build/expand?
Theres your problem. Just need to roust about 15,000,000 and send them up to OR and WA. Plenty rain up there....travelinman67 wrote:Sites should be accelerated. Could be completed in three years...AND THERE'S MONEY ALREADY AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE IT!!!dbackjon wrote:So T-man, if you were the Reservoir Top Dawg, what ones would you build/expand?
The SWP HAS NO OTHER SURFACE STORAGE PLANS IN DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!
Think about that. State population had doubled in past 40 years...no storage added in past 40 years...and the only storage under development, Sites, is a "buffer" site for heavy rain years.
The mismanagement is incomprehensible, and minimally negligent.
As there are currently conveyance projects completed and planned for moving water from north to south, it would be logical to add more storage in the northern state, up range from Oroville in Plumas, Lassen or farther nort in Siskiyou Counties.
Problem is, Gov. Moonbeam has restricted financially beneficial projects to urban areas (yes, the Crazy Train traverses the Central Valley, but the principal beneficiaries are So Cal/Anaheim and the SF Bay Area), so, until Moonbeam can craft a plan to build storage in the urban areas, he'll never allow additional projects.
And, btw, the Greater Sacramento region has had "water patrols" since the 90's.
Interesting. Seems like it would take a load off the local water district if people used rain water for gardens and car washing and hot tub filling.Chizzang wrote:Indeed it is..!!!houndawg wrote:Isn't Washington one of the States that doesn't allow home owners to capture rain runoff?
There are creeks and streams all over that are natures way of doing that
Washington is not s desert (unless you are in Spokane)
So they want no interference with the natural flow of waterways and natural collection points
And Mexico & Central America...houndawg wrote:Theres your problem. Just need to roust about 15,000,000 and send them up to OR and WA. Plenty rain up there....travelinman67 wrote:
Sites should be accelerated. Could be completed in three years...AND THERE'S MONEY ALREADY AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE IT!!!
The SWP HAS NO OTHER SURFACE STORAGE PLANS IN DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!
Think about that. State population had doubled in past 40 years...no storage added in past 40 years...and the only storage under development, Sites, is a "buffer" site for heavy rain years.
The mismanagement is incomprehensible, and minimally negligent.
As there are currently conveyance projects completed and planned for moving water from north to south, it would be logical to add more storage in the northern state, up range from Oroville in Plumas, Lassen or farther nort in Siskiyou Counties.
Problem is, Gov. Moonbeam has restricted financially beneficial projects to urban areas (yes, the Crazy Train traverses the Central Valley, but the principal beneficiaries are So Cal/Anaheim and the SF Bay Area), so, until Moonbeam can craft a plan to build storage in the urban areas, he'll never allow additional projects.
And, btw, the Greater Sacramento region has had "water patrols" since the 90's.
But instead tman wants to tax and spend..
No. Plenty of green lawns in SoCal and water is at least 3x the cost there than it is up north (at least SD compared to Sac). Gotta keep those property values up, can't do that with a brown lawn.BDKJMU wrote:Wouldn't simply jacking up water prices something like 5-10x have the same effect? Most people couldn't afford to water lawns, fill swimming pools & hot tubs, regularly take long showers, etc. Would probably curb water use more and bring in more $$ than an army of water police driving around to fine people possibly could, and you wouldn't have to hire an army of water police, install smart meters, etc..SDHornet wrote: Meh. It's the large water users that are the issue, but there still needs to me more crackdowns on the stupid water use like watering lawns, etc. I don't waste water, or use it on stupid thinkgs like a lawn, but I won't take the drought seriously until there "water monitors" driving around 24/7 issuing fines for water waste.
Meaningless unless its round the clock patrolling. Anyone with half a brain can avoid the current patrols, just water your lawn after 6 pm and you can use as much water as you want without repercussion.travelinman67 wrote: And, btw, the Greater Sacramento region has had "water patrols" since the 90's.
This...ironically enough if the farmers water is cut off then so is the labor demand by some of the largest illegal labor employers.BDKJMU wrote:And Mexico & Central America...houndawg wrote:
Theres your problem. Just need to roust about 15,000,000 and send them up to OR and WA. Plenty rain up there....
But instead tman wants to tax and spend..
Rats.SDHornet wrote:Meaningless unless its round the clock patrolling. Anyone with half a brain can avoid the current patrols, just water your lawn after 6 pm and you can use as much water as you want without repercussion.travelinman67 wrote: And, btw, the Greater Sacramento region has had "water patrols" since the 90's.
$7.8 billion bond measure approved last fall.dbackjon wrote:So you want to build the 3 BILLION dollar Sites Reservoir - who is paying for it?
And most of the water that would go into Sites is already spoken for, so really doesn't help the situation in years like now.
Source?dbackjon wrote:...And most of the water that would go into Sites is already spoken for, so really doesn't help the situation in years like now.
Did they find Linda Ronstadt in there?travelinman67 wrote:
dbackjon wrote:So you want to build the 3 BILLION dollar Sites Reservoir - who is paying for it?
So, California, at the end of the river, doesn't build dams, gets blamed for "draining" the river before it hits the sea...Grizalltheway wrote:The California assholes have already drained the Colorado to the point where it doesn't even reach the ocean anymore. But yeah, the obvious solution is dams, dams, and more dams!
Oh boy...................andy7171 wrote:So, California, at the end of the river, doesn't build dams, gets blamed for "draining" the river before it hits the sea...Grizalltheway wrote:The California assholes have already drained the Colorado to the point where it doesn't even reach the ocean anymore. But yeah, the obvious solution is dams, dams, and more dams!
There just aren't enough face palms on the internets.kalm wrote:Oh boy...................andy7171 wrote: So, California, at the end of the river, doesn't build dams, gets blamed for "draining" the river before it hits the sea...
Goes to show that you're never too old to learn something new!CID1990 wrote:dbackjon wrote:So you want to build the 3 BILLION dollar Sites Reservoir - who is paying for it?
We could ask Obama for some of the money growing on his magic trees he commanded the Forest Service to plant?
Hey hotdawg this is kinda fun!
dropping nonsequiturous turds all over the board -
You know sprinkler systems can be set for use in the middle of the night right? Doubt there are many people wandering around the neighborhood looking for people to rat on at that time.travelinman67 wrote:Rats.SDHornet wrote: Meaningless unless its round the clock patrolling. Anyone with half a brain can avoid the current patrols, just water your lawn after 6 pm and you can use as much water as you want without repercussion.
There are 24/7 reporting hotlines.
I just ratted out a hospital running sprinklers at night on a day we had rain.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Ain't it a bitch.
It drains into Mexico, no one cares.Grizalltheway wrote:The California assholes have already drained the Colorado to the point where it doesn't even reach the ocean anymore. But yeah, the obvious solution is dams, dams, and more dams!
Around here, if the city sees a big spike in your metered usage from month to month they'll pay you a courtesy call. I had it happen once when a neighborhood kid washed my car, didn't turn the water off, and then we left for the weekend which quadrupled our bill.SDHornet wrote:You know sprinkler systems can be set for use in the middle of the night right? Doubt there are many people wandering around the neighborhood looking for people to rat on at that time.travelinman67 wrote:
Rats.
There are 24/7 reporting hotlines.
I just ratted out a hospital running sprinklers at night on a day we had rain.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Ain't it a bitch.
Again, if this drought was serious we would see some real water restrictions and enforcement. Not this "do what you can" crap and hotline enforcement.
