The 800-lb Gorilla in the room.

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dbackjon wrote:
Ibanez wrote:wrong. Just wrong.

Nope - how would you have prevented ISIS? How many Americans would need to be stationed in Iraq and Syria?

How many would die.


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kalm wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Nope - how would you have prevented ISIS? How many Americans would need to be stationed in Iraq and Syria?

How many would die.


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andy7171 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Obama is a pussy...that's how.
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The other thing
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Grizalltheway wrote:The other thing
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dbackjon wrote:
Ibanez wrote:wrong. Just wrong.

Nope - how would you have prevented ISIS? How many Americans would need to be stationed in Iraq and Syria?

How many would die.


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andy7171 wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:The other thing
Ignore.
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Ibanez wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Nope - how would you have prevented ISIS? How many Americans would need to be stationed in Iraq and Syria?

How many would die.


Jesus FC.
you can't blame bush for Obamas actions. If a soldier dies in Germany you wouldn't blame FDR.

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
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dbackjon wrote:
Ibanez wrote: you can't blame bush for Obamas actions. If a soldier dies in Germany you wouldn't blame FDR.

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
Kept troops in Iraq especially at the border during the Syrian red line debacle? Contain that BS?
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andy7171 wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
Kept troops in Iraq especially at the border during the Syrian red line debacle? Contain that BS?
So troops were withdrawn in 2011. How many Americans would have died in the three years? And then you want American troops on the front line keeping ISIS out of Iraq? Wow.
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dbackjon wrote:
Ibanez wrote: you can't blame bush for Obamas actions. If a soldier dies in Germany you wouldn't blame FDR.

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
its the same fucking thing.
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D1B wrote:Ibanez - the only person dumber than Baldy.

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dbackjon wrote:
andy7171 wrote: Kept troops in Iraq especially at the border during the Syrian red line debacle? Contain that BS?
So troops were withdrawn in 2011. How many Americans would have died in the three years? And then you want American troops on the front line keeping ISIS out of Iraq? Wow.
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andy7171 wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
So troops were withdrawn in 2011. How many Americans would have died in the three years? And then you want American troops on the front line keeping ISIS out of Iraq? Wow.
JOLD THE FUCKING LINE.
I have multiple friends in the navy and marines that openly resent what gas happened with all the hard battles won to secure Iraq. They. THEY it's friends in battle. They don't want it all lost. My friend from HS is going back. Willingly to kill ISIS. So his legacy isn't in for not. My one HS fiend is being re deployed. Tomorrow. I fucking care.
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dbackjon wrote:
Ibanez wrote: you can't blame bush for Obamas actions. If a soldier dies in Germany you wouldn't blame FDR.

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
Is every soldier who dies in Iraq from this point forward Bush's fault?
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Do I have to say it? Have Obama send in the Corpse Men! They are already dead, so who cares?
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Hold the line? For how fucking long? I guess it's too bad we didn't implement McLame's 100 year plan. :roll:
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andy7171 wrote:
andy7171 wrote: JOLD THE FUCKING LINE.
I have multiple friends in the navy and marines that openly resent what gas happened with all the hard battles won to secure Iraq. They. THEY it's friends in battle. They don't want it all lost. My friend from HS is going back. Willingly to kill ISIS. So his legacy isn't in for not. My one HS fiend is being re deployed. Tomorrow. I fucking care.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

That is a fucking dumb analogy. Z level dumb.


So again, can one of you rocket scientists tell me what you would have done to prevent ISIS from forming?
Is every soldier who dies in Iraq from this point forward Bush's fault?
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Bronco wrote:1st Post and topic in this new forum....

Just saying happy to be number one.
Who's number 2
Long time ago we had an Iraq war thread and I said it would take at least one generation of occupation to make it stick.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Bronco wrote:1st Post and topic in this new forum....

Just saying happy to be number one.
Who's number 2
Long time ago we had an Iraq war thread and I said it would take at least one generation of occupation to make it stick.
In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.
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DSUrocks07 wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
Long time ago we had an Iraq war thread and I said it would take at least one generation of occupation to make it stick.
In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.
I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote:
In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.
I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.
So Iraq was a conk mistake, Obama didn't get us out fast enough, now he is weak for not doing more, and we need to commit to 25 years to give democracy a fair chance to people we really should be nuking...because we don't want all to be for nothing in the end.

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SeattleGriz wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote:
In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.
I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.
Just tying it to something that kids like me would understand :)

But yes, the next generation of Iraqis will know how to properly use their freedom that the previous generation has earned.
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