Democrats in doghouse among men, whites, older

[BDKJMU]

Democrats Try Wooing Ones Who Got Away: White Men

"....part of an internal debate at all levels of his party over how hard it should work to win over white men, especially working-class men without college degrees, at a time when Democrats are gaining support from growing numbers of female and minority voters.

It is a challenge that runs throughout the nation’s industrial heartland, in farm states and across the South, after a half-century of economic, demographic and cultural shifts that have reshaped the electorate. Even in places like Michigan, where it has been decades since union membership lists readily predicted Democratic votes, many in the party pay so little attention to white working-class men that it suggests they have effectively given up on converting them......

.....No Democratic presidential candidate has won a majority of white men since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all prevailed with support of the so-called rising electorate of women, especially single women, and minorities. But fewer of those voters typically participate in midterm elections, making the votes of white men more potent and the struggle of Democrats for 2014 clear.

“Realistically, winning votes from working-class white men has just been a very tough political challenge for Democrats,” said Geoff Garin, a Democratic pollster. With demographic trends favoring Democrats nationally and in many states, strategists say it makes sense to concentrate resources on mobilizing women, young people, Hispanics, blacks and other minority voters......

....“You can’t just give Republicans a clear field to play for the votes of white working-class men without putting up some sort of a fight because that just allows them to run the table with these voters, thereby potentially offsetting your burgeoning advantage among minorities, single women, millennials,” said Ruy Teixeira, an analyst at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

“I just think Democrats are having a hard time figuring out how to effectively pursue it,” he added.

What discourages Democrats is that men’s attitudes shaped over generations — through debates over civil rights, anti-Communism, Vietnam, feminism, gun control and dislocations from lost manufacturing jobs and stagnant wages in a global economy — are not easily altered.....
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April 06, 2014
For Dems, a problem with seniors

Democrats are facing a senior problem that could get even worse this year.

The party has traditionally had trouble with older voters, losing the group aged 65 and older by 21 points in 2010 — when Republicans picked up 63 seats — and by 12 points in the 2012 presidential race.
Seniors are the GOP’s most reliable voting bloc in midterm years, turning out in higher numbers than Democratic base voters. A recent Gallup poll showed seniors have become even more Republican over the last two decades; in 2013, 48 percent considered themselves Republican.

That spells trouble for Democrats, who are already facing a difficult midterm climate....."
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[Skjellyfetti]

Hmmm. Pursue a shrinking demographic or continue to shore up the growing demographics you control.

Very difficult decision.

[houndawg]

The difference, BDMBSQT, is that the Ds are trying to get back some of that demographic whereas the Rs have given up on every other demographic except that one.

[JohnStOnge]

Hmmm. Pursue a shrinking demographic or continue to shore up the growing demographics you control.

Very difficult decision.

And that's why if you're White you're making a mistake in voting for Democrats in races related to who controls the national government. Democrats are not going to be fostering your interests. And it's not just that they "control" the other racial groups. As I wrote in another thread they must OVERWHELMINGLY control them in order to remain competitive. Obama beat Romney by 81% - 18% among Non Whites in 2012 and won the popular vote by 5 percentage points. If their support nationally among non Whites dropped to around what the Republicans' support among Whites, who voted by 59% to 39% for Romney, they would be devastated. They would not be nationally competitive.

And they know it. So they are not going to hesitate to unfairly advance the interests of Non Whites over the interests of Whites. They also are not going to hesitate to gin up racial animus in order to ramp up Non White turnout. That sort of thing.

[bluehenbillk]

The thing that Democrats have going for them is the % of older white males declines with every election....

[JohnStOnge]

....part of an internal debate at all levels of his party over how hard it should work to win over white men,

There's that thing again of acting as though it's just White men. White women voted majority for McCain in 2008 and for Romney in 2012. In 2012 they voted for Romney by 56% to 42%. That's not far off the overall Romney White vote advantage of 59% to 39%. Whites among every age group also voted majority for Romney.

They have not "won over" Whites at all. It's just that they get enough Whites who are foolish enough to vote for them to combine that with the overwhelming majority of Non Whites, who they are pandering to, and get over the top.

It's like there's this narrative spin about how Women and Young people vote Democrat. The truth is that Non White Women and Non White young people vote Democrat while White Women and White young people vote Republican. And it's no different among Men. White men vote Republican and non White men vote Democrat. I think somebody must think it's cool to say that Women and Young people vote Democrat as though it adds some kind of "cred" to the Democrats. But they should call it as it really is: It's a racial thing. Whites vote Republican and Non Whites vote Democrat.

[BDKJMU]

Edit, nevermind. JSO already covered it.

[houndawg]

Hmmm. Pursue a shrinking demographic or continue to shore up the growing demographics you control.

Very difficult decision.

And that's why if you're White you're making a mistake in voting for Democrats in races related to who controls the national government. Democrats are not going to be fostering your interests. And it's not just that they "control" the other racial groups. As I wrote in another thread they must OVERWHELMINGLY control them in order to remain competitive. Obama beat Romney by 81% - 18% among Non Whites in 2012 and won the popular vote by 5 percentage points. If their support nationally among non Whites dropped to around what the Republicans' support among Whites, who voted by 59% to 39% for Romney, they would be devastated. They would not be nationally competitive.

And they know it. So they are not going to hesitate to unfairly advance the interests of Non Whites over the interests of Whites. They also are not going to hesitate to gin up racial animus in order to ramp up Non White turnout. That sort of thing.

I think you're spending too much time with your pals over on Stormfront, Johnny.. You're trying to convince us the conflict is about race when in fact its much more about class.

[Ibanez]

You people worry to much about the R or D.

[DSUrocks07]

You people worry to much about the R or D.

"That's how the game is played"

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[BlueHen86]

Edit, nevermind. JSO already covered it.

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

[BDKJMU]

Edit, nevermind. JSO already covered it.

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

Some of the percentage stuff.

[BlueHen86]

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

Some of the percentage stuff.

Really? So that's all it takes to hook you?

There is a 100% chance that you are an idiot.

[CID1990]

Edit, nevermind. JSO already covered it.

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

This right here

This is the problem with this country and our expectations

I dont want EITHER party to "look out for me"

I want them to make sure we arent going to get overrun by Russia, China, The Vatican or Luxembourg. I want them to make sure the buses run on time, fix the fvcking roads at night get the hell out of the way of processes that regulate themselves and then SHUT THE FVCK UP

I dont need any of those fvcking nrainless junket monkeys looking out for me. My life expectancy will be longer and my blood pressure lower if they JUST DONT

the rest of you can have congress wipe your asses fir you if you like but dont bitch when they fvck it up and you get assburn

[houndawg]

Some of the percentage stuff.

Really? So that's all it takes to hook you?

There is a 100% chance that you are an idiot.

This is the guy who told us about the fast food worker taking home $435/week on a $300/wk salary.

[DSUrocks07]

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

This right here

This is the problem with this country and our expectations

I dont want EITHER party to "look out for me"

I want them to make sure we arent going to get overrun by Russia, China, The Vatican or Luxembourg. I want them to make sure the buses run on time, fix the fvcking roads at night get the hell out of the way of processes that regulate themselves and then SHUT THE FVCK UP

I dont need any of those fvcking nrainless junket monkeys looking out for me. My life expectancy will be longer and my blood pressure lower if they JUST DONT

the rest of you can have congress wipe your asses fir you if you like but dont bitch when they fvck it up and you get assburn

What we have happening now is that we have extremists taking control of the two major parties and by proxy controlling the narrative of the mindless millions that follow them.

The left wants to set up an overarching federal government that has complete control over social issues and public welfare.

The right wants to set up an overarching federal government that has complete control over moral issues and religion.

I also want them to STFU and get the hell out of the way.

[Ivytalk]

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

This right here

This is the problem with this country and our expectations

I dont want EITHER party to "look out for me"

I want them to make sure we arent going to get overrun by Russia, China, The Vatican or Luxembourg. I want them to make sure the buses run on time, fix the fvcking roads at night get the hell out of the way of processes that regulate themselves and then SHUT THE FVCK UP

I dont need any of those fvcking nrainless junket monkeys looking out for me. My life expectancy will be longer and my blood pressure lower if they JUST DONT

the rest of you can have congress wipe your asses fir you if you like but dont bitch when they fvck it up
and you get assburn

Are you drunk in mid-afternoon, or just morphing into dal?

[Skjellyfetti]

Always get a kick out of these rants by someone who is employed by the executive branch of the federal government.

[CID1990]

Always get a kick out of these rants by someone who is employed by the executive branch of the federal government.

you have not the first clue what I do sweetheart

I am eminently more qualified than you to judge congress that is for sure

but you go on thinking it is their role to "look out for you" and then continue to grouse when that pack of brain surgeons dont deliver your utopia

[BlueHen86]

Always get a kick out of these rants by someone who is employed by the executive branch of the federal government.

you have not the first clue what I do sweetheart

I am eminently more qualified than you to judge congress that is for sure

but you go on thinking it is their role to "look out for you" and then continue to grouse when that pack of brain surgeons dont deliver your utopia

I don't give a fuck what you do shit head. It's just a message board, stop trying to act as if you are some sort of tough guy sage with any real answers.

[Grizalltheway]

I think we can surmise that he wants Congress to sign off on the funding that provides his paycheck, healthcare and retirement, THEN get the hell out of his way.

[kalm]

[BlueHen86]

Tough guys don't eat popcorn. It sticks in their teeth and softens their shits. Even on the internet you can't be a tough guy with soft shit.

[BlueHen86]

What exactly did he cover? Only an idiot thinks that either party is actually looking out for you.

This right here

This is the problem with this country and our expectations

I dont want EITHER party to "look out for me"

I want them to make sure we arent going to get overrun by Russia, China, The Vatican or Luxembourg. I want them to make sure the buses run on time, fix the fvcking roads at night get the hell out of the way of processes that regulate themselves and then SHUT THE FVCK UP

I dont need any of those fvcking nrainless junket monkeys looking out for me. My life expectancy will be longer and my blood pressure lower if they JUST DONT

the rest of you can have congress wipe your asses fir you if you like but dont bitch when they fvck it up and you get assburn

Yeah sure. We should vote against the guy who claims to be looking out for us.

That's gotta be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, and BDK posts here. Nice work.

[CID1990]

This right here

This is the problem with this country and our expectations

I dont want EITHER party to "look out for me"

I want them to make sure we arent going to get overrun by Russia, China, The Vatican or Luxembourg. I want them to make sure the buses run on time, fix the fvcking roads at night get the hell out of the way of processes that regulate themselves and then SHUT THE FVCK UP

I dont need any of those fvcking nrainless junket monkeys looking out for me. My life expectancy will be longer and my blood pressure lower if they JUST DONT

the rest of you can have congress wipe your asses fir you if you like but dont bitch when they fvck it up and you get assburn

Yeah sure. We should vote against the guy who claims to be looking out for us.

That's gotta be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, and BDK posts here. Nice work.

dont be mad, dude

You're the one who wants to be looked out for, apparently

how's that working out for you?

Youre the one who played the "nobody looks out for me" card