Wake Up Call

[Baldy]

Of course it's completely NEW information, Cleets. It's a totally made-up brand new phenomenon.
The "Small Business Majority" is a fringe lefty group for fringe lefty entrepreneurs. It is a trove of biased and inaccurate information for a biased and inaccurate rag like the New Yorker.

Conk paranoia, Limbaugh style.

Cappy, my family is getting it from both ends with Obamacare, you're fucking clueless.

[Cap'n Cat]

Conk paranoia, Limbaugh style.

Cappy, my family is getting it from both ends with Obamacare, you're fucking clueless.

Yep. Probably cuz you're spending all your time outside the Federal Building in Savannah protesting instead of signing up (correctly).

And you represent EVERY family in America.

The Affordable Health Care Act is the new GI Bill!

[Chizzang]

Conk paranoia, Limbaugh style.

Cappy, my family is getting it from both ends with Obamacare, you're fucking clueless.

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

[Cap'n Cat]

Cappy, my family is getting it from both ends with Obamacare, you're fucking clueless.

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Baldy, on orders from Limbaugh, and like George Wallace at the schoolhouse door, is in disguise, taking expired identification and murky documents to the death panels to try and sign up, deliberately stalling and creating diversion in order that the fifteen black families in line behind him do not get healthcare under the AFA.

[AZGrizFan]

What's fascinating is you have "conks" a whole 10 minutes to respond. Unlike most Donks, the Conks on this board are all gainfully employed and can't spend every waking moment defending conk honor on the internet.

This argument is a non-starter. I know many small businessmen, some with zero employees, on up to some with 10-12 employees....ALL were able to get healthcare on an individual basis prior to this law. Most people who are entrepenureal in nature find a way to become their own boss. Most who just THINK they want to be their own boss find out very quickly that they can't survive the fluctuations in income inherent in any small business and long for the "steady paycheck" days. It has very little to do with healthcare...

So you're admitting that Obama Care isn't bad for the 96% of American Businesses...?


interesting...

No, I'm admitting Obamacare wasn't NECESSARY. Heathcare was already available for small business owners. To act like this is some kind of miracle just invented by Obamacare is ignorant of the facts.

[BDKJMU]

My bad- forgot you mentioned in the other thread you'd been recalled. Most non exempt fed employees will likely get a 2-3 week paid vacation though....

Define vacation. i was recalled ten and a half hours before my reporting time to work. Unless you call hanging out at home a vacation, I was not on vacation.

October is a big month for vacations among acquisition folks like myself, who are customarily put in a no-leave period in August and September due to fiscal year end workload. The shutdown has wreaked havoc on a lot of folks' vacation plans because they were put in furlough status which could potentially place them awol if they were recalled and did not report the next day.

Does paid to sit at home while not working suffice?

Sucks about some people who had vacation plans in Oct being messed up. As far as the 20% furlough reduction from this past summer, I think that was a bunch of BS. There's is a massive amount of pork in the fed govt that could have been cut without having to furlough any fed employees.

[Grizalltheway]

So you're admitting that Obama Care isn't bad for the 96% of American Businesses...?


interesting...

No, I'm admitting Obamacare wasn't NECESSARY. Heathcare was already available for small business owners. To act like this is some kind of miracle just invented by Obamacare is ignorant of the facts.

What sayeth you to this?

The system has worked well enough for big employers, since large workforces make possible the pooling of risk that any healthy insurance market requires. But small businesses often face so-called “experience rating”: a business with a lot of women or older workers faces high premiums, and even a single employee who runs up medical costs can be a disaster. A business that Arensmeyer represents recently saw premiums skyrocket because one employee has a child with diabetes. Insurance costs small companies as much as eighteen per cent more than it does large companies; worse, it’s also a crapshoot. Arensmeyer said, “Companies live in fear that if one or two employees get sick their whole cost structure will radically change.” No wonder that fewer than half the companies with under fifty employees insure their employees, and that half of uninsured workers work for small businesses or are self-employed. In fact, a full quarter of small-business owners are uninsured, too

[Baldy]

Cappy, my family is getting it from both ends with Obamacare, you're fucking clueless.

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

[Grizalltheway]

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

Maybe Georgia should have opted to expand Medicare, eh?

[Baldy]

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

Maybe Georgia should have opted to expand Medicare, eh?

Medicare is run by the Feds. Medicaid is administered by the states.

Jeezus Fucking Christ Jizzfan, we only have room on this board for one houndawg.

Stupid Donk Fuck.

[mainejeff]

America.........where it is your right to carry a gun around but not have health insurance.

[Cap'n Cat]

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

Yer doin' a lotta predictin' and prognosticatin', Brother Bald One. As if your wife's employer is gonna shut its doors and just surrender over this. Wild, ridiculous-extreme Glenn Beck Limbaugh for-effect shit from you.....again.

[D1B]

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

"I could go on and on" = you have nothing


Methinks Badly's hatred of the poor and non-white has reached a point where he's now lying.

[D1B]

How: exactly
I'm honestly curios

My brother owns a small business with 22 employees
He doesn't seem to have any problems (so far)

Of course he doesn't have any problems (so far). He got a one year waiver, unlike individuals.

My wife works for a small business (employs about 250 people) which is also in the medical industry (allied health). Because Obamacare is raping Medicare to the tune of over $500,000,000, reimbursements for some diagnostic testing procedures will be reduced between 70% to 80%. This will effectively put my wife's employer out of business eventually if something doesn't change. That, of course, is just one aspect. This doesn't include the countless thousands of additional unnecessary regulations totaling ungodly amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

I could go on and on, but that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

Links and specifics - links and specifics, Cruz.

[DSUrocks07]

America.........where it is your right to carry a gun around but not have health insurance.

where is that in the Constitution?

[AZGrizFan]

No, I'm admitting Obamacare wasn't NECESSARY. Heathcare was already available for small business owners. To act like this is some kind of miracle just invented by Obamacare is ignorant of the facts.

What sayeth you to this?

The system has worked well enough for big employers, since large workforces make possible the pooling of risk that any healthy insurance market requires. But small businesses often face so-called “experience rating”: a business with a lot of women or older workers faces high premiums, and even a single employee who runs up medical costs can be a disaster. A business that Arensmeyer represents recently saw premiums skyrocket because one employee has a child with diabetes. Insurance costs small companies as much as eighteen per cent more than it does large companies; worse, it’s also a crapshoot. Arensmeyer said, “Companies live in fear that if one or two employees get sick their whole cost structure will radically change.” No wonder that fewer than half the companies with under fifty employees insure their employees, and that half of uninsured workers work for small businesses or are self-employed. In fact, a full quarter of small-business owners are uninsured, too

Those small business owners are going to see their available pool of options get MORE expensive, not less. And I'm not sure what's magic about the 50 employee mark. In February I started with a very large credit union in Texas...1700 employees. Our healthcare costs for 2014 will see a 31% increase, and we "live in fear...our whole cost strcuture will radically change" too. It already has, thanks to Obamacare.

[D1B]

What sayeth you to this?

Those small business owners are going to see their available pool of options get MORE expensive, not less. And I'm not sure what's magic about the 50 employee mark. In February I started with a very large credit union in Texas...1700 employees. Our healthcare costs for 2014 will see a 31% increase, and we "live in fear...our whole cost strcuture will radically change" too. It already has, thanks to Obamacare.

Bullshit. Fucking liar.

[89Hen]

America.........where it is your right to carry a gun around but not have health insurance.

That would be crazy if true.

[AZGrizFan]

Those small business owners are going to see their available pool of options get MORE expensive, not less. And I'm not sure what's magic about the 50 employee mark. In February I started with a very large credit union in Texas...1700 employees. Our healthcare costs for 2014 will see a 31% increase, and we "live in fear...our whole cost strcuture will radically change" too. It already has, thanks to Obamacare.

Bullshit. Fucking liar.

Says the guy who eats his meals at the soup kitchen.

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe Georgia should have opted to expand Medicare, eh?

Medicare is run by the Feds. Medicaid is administered by the states.

Jeezus Fucking Christ Jizzfan, we only have room on this board for one houndawg.

Stupid Donk Fuck.

Either way, you're bitching about the Feds taking money from one federal program (which your wife's employer clearly benefits greatly from) to another federal program. Were you the guy holding up the "keep the government out of my Medicare" sign at that Tea Party rally?

[Baldy]

Medicare is run by the Feds. Medicaid is administered by the states.

Jeezus Fucking Christ Jizzfan, we only have room on this board for one houndawg.

Stupid Donk Fuck.

Either way, you're bitching about the Feds taking money from one federal program (which your wife's employer clearly benefits greatly from) to another federal program. Were you the guy holding up the "keep the government out of my Medicare" sign at that Tea Party rally?

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're too fucking stoopid...

Medicare is a fucking disaster, and is why we are in this mess to begin with. Believe me, my wife's employer wouldn't take it or Medicaid if it wasn't REQUIRED, dipshit.

[UNI88]

America.........where it is your right to carry a gun around but not have health insurance.

Lame argument - is anyone preventing anyone else from getting health insurance? Is the government subsidizing gun purchases? You can buy health insurance and you can buy a gun. You might not be able to afford it but the opportunity is there.

[AZGrizFan]

America.........where it is your right to carry a gun around but not have health insurance.

Lame argument - is anyone preventing anyone else from getting health insurance? Is the government subsidizing gun purchases? You can buy health insurance and you can buy a gun. You might not be able to afford it but the opportunity is there.

I can't afford any more guns. I need a government subsidy.

[dbackjon]

Either way, you're bitching about the Feds taking money from one federal program (which your wife's employer clearly benefits greatly from) to another federal program. Were you the guy holding up the "keep the government out of my Medicare" sign at that Tea Party rally?

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're too fucking stoopid...

Medicare is a fucking disaster, and is why we are in this mess to begin with. Believe me, my wife's employer wouldn't take it or Medicaid if it wasn't REQUIRED, dipshit.

Sounds like your wife's company is clueless, or is trying to run diagnostic tests that are not needed.

Medicare is very suspicious, with damn good reason, of testing companies - a good many of them exist solely to rip people off. Not casting stones at your wife's company, but the fact is that the 50-70% of the companies in that field are NOT run properly, convince people to take unnecessary or useless tests, then try to charge insurers and Medicare rates at 10,000% mark-up over true cost.

Medicare is awesome for my practice, which is one of the five largest in the country in it's specialty. Pays on time, with no hassle.

[Chizzang]

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're too fucking stoopid...

Medicare is a fucking disaster, and is why we are in this mess to begin with. Believe me, my wife's employer wouldn't take it or Medicaid if it wasn't REQUIRED, dipshit.

Sounds like your wife's company is clueless, or is trying to run diagnostic tests that are not needed.

Medicare is very suspicious, with damn good reason, of testing companies - a good many of them exist solely to rip people off. Not casting stones at your wife's company, but the fact is that the 50-70% of the companies in that field are NOT run properly, convince people to take unnecessary or useless tests, then try to charge insurers and Medicare rates at 10,000% mark-up over true cost.

Medicare is awesome for my practice, which is one of the five largest in the country in it's specialty. Pays on time, with no hassle.

Jon,
Why do you hate America so much...