Zimmerman Trial

[JohnStOnge]

For more than 50 years minority communities have been the recipients of a veritable Marshall Plan of government largesse that gets steadily bigger every year. 50 years.

[DSUrocks07]

Holy thread derailment, Batman!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

He will appeal the manslaughter conviction.

He will lose, not white enough to be worth saving from the mob.

Small price to keep things quiet.

The real question: How many packs of cigarettes will Akhbar Muhammad want for an evening of carnal pleasure with the Zimmster? Bruthas love that big booty....

Zimmerman will not go to jail. Pictures of him bloodied from getting beat by Martin are a pretty good check mark in his defense.

Zimmerman going to jail is comparable to saying SIU is going to win the MV this year....aint gonna happen...

[93henfan]

Self defense.

[CID1990]

In Florida a judge can instruct a jury that they can consider a lesser charge.

At this moment, given all the information available right now, I think this is precisely what will happen. Zimmerman will be found not guilty of 2nd degree but guilty of manslaughter. He will get that max sentence of 20-30. The sentence will be completely political. I say this because I used to deal daily with guys who have murdered other guys just like them. These guys walk free because 1) nobody saw nuttin, and 2) the victim is also black. If Zimmerman was black this would just be another forgotten story about how the most dangerous thing to a black man in America is another black man between the ages of 15-32.

Sent from the center of the universe.

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.

Sent from the center of the universe.

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

No, there was no game changer. I don't think there is any way he is convicted of 2nd degree murder. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I think the judge will give the jury the option for manslaughter, and given that option I think they will convict him IF the DA has actually made the case for that. At this point it is hard to say, but I think the state will do everything humanly possible to put Zim behind bars to appease the black community. With that in mind I think the judge will tee up the jury for manslaughter and they will be more than happy to convict on that.


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[Chizzang]

What's the over/under on him getting killed in Prison (10 days..?) a month..?

[CID1990]

What's the over/under on him getting killed in Prison (10 days..?) a month..?

He'd be in isolation (like a cop) for his entire term, so I would say he'll be fairly safe.


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[93henfan]

I was just reading the blog of the afternoon testimony today. The lead investigator Serino, on the stand a second time - this time for the defense, just said that when he played the 911 call to Trayvon Martin's dad and asked him if it was Travon screaming he said "no".

[CID1990]

I was just reading the blog of the afternoon testimony today. The lead investigator Serino, on the stand a second time - this time for the defense, just said that when he played the 911 call to Trayvon Martin's dad and asked him if it was Travon screaming he said "no".

Ouch.




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[Bronco]

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So a guy on top beating the guy on the bottom wouldn't be screaming for help?

[blueballs]

I was just reading the blog of the afternoon testimony today. The lead investigator Serino, on the stand a second time - this time for the defense, just said that when he played the 911 call to Trayvon Martin's dad and asked him if it was Travon screaming he said "no".

Game, set, match.

[93henfan]

The Prosecution obviously realizes the weight of this and they are hitting back the best they can:

2:14 p.m. ET: "You stated it was under his breath," said de la Rionda.

"Yes, sir," said Serino.

"You interpreted it as he said, 'No,'" said de la Rionda.

"Yes sir," said Serino.

"You didn't flat out hear the word 'no' unequivocally?" asked de la Rionda.

"I heard it and saw the movement of his mouth," said Serino.

"Your opinion is he said, 'No,'" said de la Rionda.

"Yes sir," said Serino.

Serino agrees with de la Rionda that saying, "No," could be seen as denial when being told or hearing that a loved one is dead. De la Rionda has concluded his cross-examination.

[93henfan]

2:25 p.m. ET: The defense has called Doris Singleton to the stand again. She says she was about 8 or 10 feet away from Serino and Tracey Martin when the 911 call was played.

"Mr. Martin’s response?" asked O'Mara.

"That it was not his son," said Singleton. "He has his head down, he was wiping his face with tissues." O'Mara has finished his direct examination.

[BDKJMU]

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

No, there was no game changer. I don't think there is any way he is convicted of 2nd degree murder. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I think the judge will give the jury the option for manslaughter, and given that option I think they will convict him IF the DA has actually made the case for that. At this point it is hard to say, but I think the state will do everything humanly possible to put Zim behind bars to appease the black community. With that in mind I think the judge will tee up the jury for manslaughter and they will be more than happy to convict on that.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Even if the DA makes a case for that, I just can't see them them getting all 12 jurors to go for that given everything that has transpired. Could see a hung jury though...

[93henfan]

A hung jury might even be worse, in terms of rioting. It just sounds more dramatic, and with the mentality of people who don't even realize that Zimmerman is Hispanic, they probably think a hung jury has something to do with lynching.

[houndawg]

No, there was no game changer. I don't think there is any way he is convicted of 2nd degree murder. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I think the judge will give the jury the option for manslaughter, and given that option I think they will convict him IF the DA has actually made the case for that. At this point it is hard to say, but I think the state will do everything humanly possible to put Zim behind bars to appease the black community. With that in mind I think the judge will tee up the jury for manslaughter and they will be more than happy to convict on that.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Even if the DA makes a case for that, I just can't see them them getting all 12 jurors to go for that given everything that has transpired. Could see a hung jury though...

They don't have to since there are only six jurors.

[JohnStOnge]

We are all looking at this from the prism of the news medai so I have to keep that in mind. But for the life of me I can't understand how anybody could eve rhave thought that there would be sufficient evidence to convict Zimmerman of ANYTHING in this situation under the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

It may happen. We'll see. But I don't see how you can take somebody who'd obviously had the crap beaten out of him in a situation where he is the only witness to what happened and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't fear for his life and shoot in self defense.

I mean, if you really stick to what the standard supposed to be. I've heard nothing at all to indicate that they've had any evidence at all that what Zimmerman said about the situation isn't true. And the burden of proof is supposed to be on the prosecution. Zimmerman's not supposed to have to prove he's telling the truth. THEY'RE supposed to have to PROVE that he's not.

[BDKJMU]

Even if the DA makes a case for that, I just can't see them them getting all 12 jurors to go for that given everything that has transpired. Could see a hung jury though...

They don't have to since there are only six jurors.

WTF? Since when do felony, esp murder trials, in the US, not require 12 jurors?

[grizzaholic]

No, there was no game changer. I don't think there is any way he is convicted of 2nd degree murder. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I think the judge will give the jury the option for manslaughter, and given that option I think they will convict him IF the DA has actually made the case for that. At this point it is hard to say, but I think the state will do everything humanly possible to put Zim behind bars to appease the black community. With that in mind I think the judge will tee up the jury for manslaughter and they will be more than happy to convict on that.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Even if the DA makes a case for that, I just can't see them them getting all 12 jurors to go for that given everything that has transpired. Could see a hung jury though...

I thought there were 6 jurors.

[DSUrocks07]

I can't understand how anybody could ever have thought that there would be sufficient evidence to convict Zimmerman of ANYTHING in this situation under the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

Because there isn't, there never was from the beginning. The state has no case. That's why they are attempting to appeal to the emotion aspects of the trial moreso then actual evidence.

The prosecution swung for the fences and turned this into a complete clown show.

[YoUDeeMan]

I was just reading the blog of the afternoon testimony today. The lead investigator Serino, on the stand a second time - this time for the defense, just said that when he played the 911 call to Trayvon Martin's dad and asked him if it was Travon screaming he said "no".

Trayvon's father's quote that is was not his son was a very small blurb in the newspaper several days after the shooting...and I pointed it out in a thread on here at that time.

Go figure, it didn't get major play on TV or on klean radio because it would have spoiled their story.

Glad the defense pulled it out for everyone to see.

[houndawg]

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

No, there was no game changer. I don't think there is any way he is convicted of 2nd degree murder. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I think the judge will give the jury the option for manslaughter, and given that option I think they will convict him IF the DA has actually made the case for that. At this point it is hard to say, but I think the state will do everything humanly possible to put Zim behind bars to appease the black community. With that in mind I think the judge will tee up the jury for manslaughter and they will be more than happy to convict on that.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Might the safest place for him.

Al and Jesse will get more mileage out of this than they did out of Tawana Brawley.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Thats possibly the dumbest comparison I have ever read...............not surprising.

[houndawg]

Thats possibly the dumbest comparison I have ever read...............not surprising.

Who did you have read it to you?

[ASUG8]

Al and Jesse will get more mileage out of this than they did out of Tawana Brawley.

In spite of the prosecution stepping on their own collective sacks in this case, Al is charging forward.

I distinctly remember the day that attorney Benjamin Crump and the parents of deceased victim Trayvon Martin approached me and asked that I use the power of NAN to bring national attention to the fact that their son's alleged killer, George Zimmerman, had in effect been exonerated by the Sanford Police Department before they even buried their young child. I was not aware of the incident, but was outraged when I learned that the police let Zimmerman go free the night of the shooting because of his version of a story that he had told them. The Sanford police let this man walk away before they even identified the body of the victim, or before they could decipher whether or not Zimmerman had been in a feud with the deceased, or any number of different scenarios. Zimmerman was told that he could go home, and return to the tragic scene the next day and recount what took place. Trayvon's parents, their attorney and members of the community were furious and said the Sanford police would have never behaved in this manner were the victim White. Their contention and mine never was that Zimmerman's actions were race-based, but rather that the police department's actions and mishandling of the situation were race-based. Given the history of Sanford PD, their objections seemed well placed.

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