Millions of Verizon phone records seized

[DSUrocks07]

[tribe_pride]

Oh, come ON, kalm! Are you telling me you didn't want to do time with Olivia Newton-John?

Are you suggesting prison rape? That's discussing SH! Besides, Michelle Pfeifer was hotter.

Now back to the topic. This is a really **** up deal and screw the Obama administration and any congressmen that voted for the Fisa Amendment Act. And just like before, companies like Google, Apple, Facebook etc. that are colluding with the government (aka fascism) are removed from any legal responsibility. The NSA now basically has a back door into all electronic communications including content of all of these companies with very little to no oversight.

Here's a good follow up about "PRISM' from Glenn Greenwald who broke the original story:

(I wonder if the leaker/whistleblower of the PRISM doc's is going to be prosecuted or just disappeared? )

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... s-nsa-data" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rand Paul going to bat:

If the president and Congress would simply obey the fourth amendment, this new shocking revelation that the government is now spying on citizens' phone data en masse would never have happened. That I have to keep reintroducing the fourth amendment – and that a majority of senators keep voting against it – is a good reflection of the arrogance that dominates Washington.

During my filibuster, I quoted Glenn Greenwald, who wrote:

"There is a theoretical framework being built that posits that the US government has unlimited power. When it comes to any kind of threats it perceives, it makes the judgment to take whatever action against them that it warrants without any constraints or limitations of any kind."

If the seizure and surveillance of Americans' phone records – across the board and with little to no discrimination – is now considered a legitimate security precaution, there is literally no protection of any kind guaranteed anymore to American citizens. In their actions, more outrageous and numerous by the day, this administration continues to treat the US constitution as a dead letter.

Senator Obama said of President Bush and Fisa in 2008:

"We must reaffirm that no one in this country is above the law."

No one in America should be above the law. Including this president.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nstitution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With respect to the companies, they have no choice. They must comply with a subpoena or court order or they are breaking the law. While you can argue certain things about these companies, they had no choice in these situations.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Fvck all of it.

Pussy ass Americans cause this shit, expecting presidents to "keep us safe". Fvck that. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than being killed in a terrorist attack. But every time some murder monkey kills somebody, the politicians make political hay and point fingers.

If there were less pussy ass Americans afraid of their own pussy shadows this shit wouldn't happen. Fvck


Sent from the center of the universe.

Bully

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[YoUDeeMan]

I am on the board of a small non-profit. I just reviewed our insurance policy and found a small charge for "Terrorism" coverage.



It is a default charge and you have to opt out in writing. I just ripped our insurance agent a new one...and our past Treasurer ( he didn't know about it, but didn't bother to look over the policy...and the insurance agent didn't bother to point out the charge).

We will be shopping around for a new agent.

Of course, the agent said it was a standard charge these days and we should be protected. F that, you scum sucking SOB...and F those clowns that decided to make it a standard charge. Most people don't look at the small print.

The fine print is a hoot...terrorist acts are narrowly defined and determined by the Secretary of State. Cripes, those people couldn't get the Libyan attack defined correctly.

[BDKJMU]

IRS, Justice Dept, now NSA. Further proof that Obama's govt is completely out of control and isn't too be trusted......

[kalm]

IRS, Justice Dept, now NSA. Further proof that Obama's govt is completely out of control and isn't too be trusted......

Funny thing is that you think it's just the Obama govt.

[BDKJMU]

IRS, Justice Dept, now NSA. Further proof that Obama's govt is completely out of control and isn't too be trusted......

Funny thing is that you think it's just the Obama govt.

Bush granted the use of a hammer to hammer in a nail. Obama took that to mean a sledgehammer....

[ASUG8]

This administration is going to make expandspanoses out of all of us before it's over.




Did anyone else just hear a black helicopter?

[BDKJMU]

I was just about to say....maybe Expandos has been right...

[CitadelGrad]

This administration is going to make expandspanoses out of all of us before it's over.




Did anyone else just hear a black helicopter?

It's always fun to see conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts.

[clenz]

This administration is going to make expandspanoses out of all of us before it's over.




Did anyone else just hear a black helicopter?

It's always fun to see conspiracy theories become conspiracy facts.

To be fair...most of his shit isn't that far off base....it's his big "go to shit" that gets the attention.

Notice he's tried to introduce about 50 different theories, and has been told on more than a couple "no shit, sherlock" and it quickly then turns into "A PLANE CAN'T GO THAT FAST"

[kalm]

Are you suggesting prison rape? That's discussing SH! Besides, Michelle Pfeifer was hotter.

Now back to the topic. This is a really **** up deal and screw the Obama administration and any congressmen that voted for the Fisa Amendment Act. And just like before, companies like Google, Apple, Facebook etc. that are colluding with the government (aka fascism) are removed from any legal responsibility. The NSA now basically has a back door into all electronic communications including content of all of these companies with very little to no oversight.

Here's a good follow up about "PRISM' from Glenn Greenwald who broke the original story:

(I wonder if the leaker/whistleblower of the PRISM doc's is going to be prosecuted or just disappeared? )

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... s-nsa-data" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rand Paul going to bat:





http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nstitution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With respect to the companies, they have no choice. They must comply with a subpoena or court order or they are breaking the law. While you can argue certain things about these companies, they had no choice in these situations.

Even if it's unconstitutional?

[Trapped in CA]

Even if it's unconstitutional?

Who wants to risk that fight as a public company? It would take a privately held company with cash to stand up, only because owner convictions. See hobby lobby.

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[BDKJMU]

Funny thing is that you think it's just the Obama govt.

Bush granted the use of a hammer to hammer in a nail. Obama took that to mean a sledgehammer....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

"U.S., British intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

...Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”.....

.....Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said......."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga ... print.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Means they could be watching now.....

[BDKJMU]

Not just Verizon. 3 largest phone carriers, 9 largest internet companies, credit card companies. Basically the largest data mining operation in the history of the world.

"...The disclosure this week of an order by a secret U.S. court for Verizon Communications Inc.'s VZ +0.54% phone records set off the latest public discussion of the program. But people familiar with the NSA's operations said the initiative also encompasses phone-call data from AT&T Inc. T -1.01% and Sprint Nextel Corp., S -1.36% records from Internet-service providers and purchase information from credit-card ...

.....The arrangement with Verizon, AT&T and Sprint, the country's three largest phone companies means, that every time the majority of Americans makes a call, NSA gets a record of the location, the number called, the time of the call and the length of the conversation, according to people familiar with the matter. The practice, which evolved out of warrantless wiretapping programs begun after 2001, is now approved by all three branches of the U.S. government.

AT&T has 107.3 million wireless customers and 31.2 million landline customers. Verizon has 98.9 million wireless customers and 22.2 million landline customers while Sprint has 55 million customers in total.

NSA also obtains access to data from Internet service providers on Internet use such as data about email or website visits, several former officials said. NSA has established similar relationships with credit-card companies, three former officials said......."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Hey, can we get a mod to combine the two threads that discuss this? ****, if I were still a mod i'd do it. Should I come out of retirement?

Anyway, the New York Times has come out swinging

the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.

The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opini ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pussies. Earlier Thur NY Times said: "The administration has now lost all credibility." Then Thur night they added "on this issue'

"Those reassurances have never been persuasive -- whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency's phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism -- especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability. The administration has now lost all credibility."

The New York Times, overnight, amended the last line to say: "The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06 ... edibility/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

Bush granted the use of a hammer to hammer in a nail. Obama took that to mean a sledgehammer....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No defending Obama on this but it's still funny you gave\give Bush a pass.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nobody gave Bush a pass on anything he is the most bashed president in the history of the USA.

Undeservedly

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[DSUrocks07]

Nobody gave Bush a pass on anything he is the most bashed president in the history of the USA.

Undeservedly

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And those same bashers who were all about "invasion of privacy", are now looking the other way and making excuses for Obama for not only continuing, but EXPANDING those same policies. Including the ever popular:



"Bush did it first, Obama is blameless."

[kalm]

Nobody gave Bush a pass on anything he is the most bashed president in the history of the USA.

Undeservedly

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

And those same bashers who were all about "invasion of privacy", are now looking the other way and making excuses for Obama for not only continuing, but EXPANDING those same policies. Including the ever popular:



"Bush did it first, Obama is blameless."

I don't know if that's entirely true. I hear quite a bit of blame from the left cast toward Obama.

[kalm]

Hey, can we get a mod to combine the two threads that discuss this? ****, if I were still a mod i'd do it. Should I come out of retirement?

Anyway, the New York Times has come out swinging





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opini ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pussies. Earlier Thur NY Times said: "The administration has now lost all credibility." Then Thur night they added "on this issue'

"Those reassurances have never been persuasive -- whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency's phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism -- especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability. The administration has now lost all credibility."

The New York Times, overnight, amended the last line to say: "The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06 ... edibility/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep, that's the establishment media for you. And they pretty much gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt regarding Iraq, torture, the security state etc. What's also funny is that it was a progressive journalist that broke this story. And people like Greenwald and Midea Benjamin of Code Pink have been pretty damn consistent in their criticism of both administrations all along. Could you imagine a conk journalist or news man breaking a story like this on Bush? How about a conk activist heckling Bush at a presidential press conference?

Nice to see the establishment and conk medias jumping on the progressive bandwagon.

[BDKJMU]

Pussies. Earlier Thur NY Times said: "The administration has now lost all credibility." Then Thur night they added "on this issue'

"Those reassurances have never been persuasive -- whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency's phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism -- especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability. The administration has now lost all credibility."

The New York Times, overnight, amended the last line to say: "The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06 ... edibility/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep, that's the establishment media for you. And they pretty much gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt regarding Iraq, torture, the security state etc. What's also funny is that it was a progressive journalist that broke this story. And people like Greenwald and Midea Benjamin of Code Pink have been pretty damn consistent in their criticism of both administrations all along. Could you imagine a conk journalist or news man breaking a story like this on Bush? How about a conk activist heckling Bush at a presidential press conference?

Nice to see the establishment and conk medias jumping on the progressive bandwagon.

I thought it was a liberal journalist that broke this story?

[kalm]

Yep, that's the establishment media for you. And they pretty much gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt regarding Iraq, torture, the security state etc. What's also funny is that it was a progressive journalist that broke this story. And people like Greenwald and Midea Benjamin of Code Pink have been pretty damn consistent in their criticism of both administrations all along. Could you imagine a conk journalist or news man breaking a story like this on Bush? How about a conk activist heckling Bush at a presidential press conference?

Nice to see the establishment and conk medias jumping on the progressive bandwagon.

I thought it was a liberal journalist that broke this story?

Yes, but we can't use that label anymore...it's evil!