Gas v. Electric v. Water v. NG for cars

[ASUG8]

The Problem is not gas vs. water vs. electric, its really how much bang you get for your buck. Tell me when you can get a V6 at 40 MPG or a V6 /5.6 at 30 MPG. We have the tech to do it. and we all know why they won't. Trust me, THe V6 with 30 MPG has been invented. a while ago. FACT!!!!!

It's hiding in plain sight. Corvette Stingray with 6.2L/450 hp V8 expected to be near 30 mpg.

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[Ibanez]

My Civic Hybrid gets about 40 miles to the gallon and has a 10 gallon tank. I routinely get 390-405 miles on a tank. The Hybrid is comfortable, quiet and gets me from point A to point B. The main thing I wish It would do, was accelerate quicker.

[grizzaholic]

My Civic Hybrid gets about 40 miles to the gallon and has a 10 gallon tank. I routinely get 390-405 miles on a tank. The Hybrid is comfortable, quiet and gets me from point A to point B. The main thing I wish It would do, was accelerate quicker.

You run your car down to damn near empty before filling?

[Grizalltheway]

My Civic Hybrid gets about 40 miles to the gallon and has a 10 gallon tank. I routinely get 390-405 miles on a tank. The Hybrid is comfortable, quiet and gets me from point A to point B. The main thing I wish It would do, was accelerate quicker.

You run your car down to damn near empty before filling?

YOLO.

[grizzaholic]

You run your car down to damn near empty before filling?

YOLO.

[Grizalltheway]

And here I thought we were friends.

[grizzaholic]

And here I thought we were friends.

Living in 174's closet cost us our friendship.

[Ibanez]

My Civic Hybrid gets about 40 miles to the gallon and has a 10 gallon tank. I routinely get 390-405 miles on a tank. The Hybrid is comfortable, quiet and gets me from point A to point B. The main thing I wish It would do, was accelerate quicker.

You run your car down to damn near empty before filling?

I have before to know how far it'll go. I usually fill up when I'm at 375 knowing I can get at least another 35 miles out if it.

[GannonFan]

No need to wait for that. We already recognize now it is one of our bigger energy failures. Trouble is convincing the politicians to just let it go - some just can't let go of that porkbarrel no matter how bad the policy is.

I wonder if Monsanto and other big AG have prospered from it?

I'm sure they have, and continue to do so. Text book example of how trying to pick a technology out from the rest and then repeatedly trying to champion it in spite of clear evidence that it's a loser is not a real energy policy. That tarriff we have on imported ethanol made from sugar (much cheaper, much less impactful on food supplies, and also better for the environment (psst, corn ethanol isn't much better greenhouse gas-wise than oil, shhh, don't tell anyone)) is another example of dumb decisions we've taken to try to made corn ethanol into a propped-up success. All for naught.

[Grizalltheway]

I wonder if Monsanto and other big AG have prospered from it?

I'm sure they have, and continue to do so. Text book example of how trying to pick a technology out from the rest and then repeatedly trying to champion it in spite of clear evidence that it's a loser is not a real energy policy. That tarriff we have on imported ethanol made from sugar (much cheaper, much less impactful on food supplies, and also better for the environment (psst, corn ethanol isn't much better greenhouse gas-wise than oil, shhh, don't tell anyone)) is another example of dumb decisions we've taken to try to made corn ethanol into a propped-up success. All for naught.

I can't imagine sugar-based ethanol is much better, considering how many acres of rain forest have been cleared to grow it.

[GannonFan]

I'm sure they have, and continue to do so. Text book example of how trying to pick a technology out from the rest and then repeatedly trying to champion it in spite of clear evidence that it's a loser is not a real energy policy. That tarriff we have on imported ethanol made from sugar (much cheaper, much less impactful on food supplies, and also better for the environment (psst, corn ethanol isn't much better greenhouse gas-wise than oil, shhh, don't tell anyone)) is another example of dumb decisions we've taken to try to made corn ethanol into a propped-up success. All for naught.

I can't imagine sugar-based ethanol is much better, considering how many acres of rain forest have been cleared to grow it.

Sugar doesn't take a lot of arable land to grow. Deforestation issues are because of soy and cattle in Brazil, not because of sugar.

[BDKJMU]

I'm sure they have, and continue to do so. Text book example of how trying to pick a technology out from the rest and then repeatedly trying to champion it in spite of clear evidence that it's a loser is not a real energy policy. That tarriff we have on imported ethanol made from sugar (much cheaper, much less impactful on food supplies, and also better for the environment (psst, corn ethanol isn't much better greenhouse gas-wise than oil, shhh, don't tell anyone)) is another example of dumb decisions we've taken to try to made corn ethanol into a propped-up success. All for naught.

I can't imagine sugar-based ethanol is much better, considering how many acres of rain forest have been cleared to grow it.

I thought it was jungle they were clearing?

[grizzaholic]

You run your car down to damn near empty before filling?

I have before to know how far it'll go. I usually fill up when I'm at 375 knowing I can get at least another 35 miles out if it.

You know that when you run your car down that low the pick up will start grabbing shit from the bottom of the tank..right?

[CAA Flagship]

And here I thought we were friends.

Living in 174's closet cost us our friendship.

Be careful of the hats. You don't want to bend any brims.

[houndawg]

I tried to read ASUG6's post but all the numbers confused me. I took math 205 from OSBF in college.

I tell Trip to **** off all the time.

There's no one on this board aside from OSBF himself that could pass that course. Maybe Opie.......

A 200 level Math class? Please.

[GSUhooligan]

The Problem is not gas vs. water vs. electric, its really how much bang you get for your buck. Tell me when you can get a V6 at 40 MPG or a V6 /5.6 at 30 MPG. We have the tech to do it. and we all know why they won't. Trust me, THe V6 with 30 MPG has been invented. a while ago. FACT!!!!!

If it is fact, post the facts



I don't care if you do or not. I will burn a bucket of gas in your honor today.

Since 2011 the Ford Mustang base model is a 305HP V6 that gets 31 MPG....

[Ibanez]

I have before to know how far it'll go. I usually fill up when I'm at 375 knowing I can get at least another 35 miles out if it.

You know that when you run your car down that low the pick up will start grabbing shit from the bottom of the tank..right?

Yea. But I like to test the tank when i first by a vehicle. I never let it get that low.

Now the wife...that's a different story.

what do you know about cars? You guys ride ATVs and tractors.

[houndawg]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

No wonder the BBQ is shhitty in Montana.

[Grizalltheway]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

No wonder the BBQ is shhitty in Montana.

Says the Californian.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't know if anyone's perfected a safe way to burn methane (particularly without the smell associated with it), but choices would be good.

Just as a technical matter: Methane is odorless and so is the flame associated with it. The odor associated with methane we use is a safety measure. Something that smells is added to it so that we humans will know if we have a natural gas leak.

[JohnStOnge]

If we survive for long enough as a species we will eventually have to come up with something other than fossil fuels. We will run out. Natural gas is a fossil fuel.

I don't think water is the solution per se because I think when you talk about water as a solution you're basically talking about hydrogen and you need energy to separate water molecules to get the hydrogen. Well, I guess it could be a source at some point but what I'm talking about is putting water in your vehicle. I think it more likely that we would have facilities that separate hydrogen and oxygen then provide hydrogen on an industrial scale.

Yeah it's going to be tough. At some point we will run out of fossil fuels. But I am confident that we can do it.

[JohnStOnge]

Oil will never run out

Yes it will. I don't think it'll be in our lifetimes. But it will.

[houndawg]

No wonder the BBQ is shhitty in Montana.

Says the Californian.

Says anybody that knows doodly-squat about BBQ.

You have nice scenery out there bro, but when it comes to food you're a national embarrassment.

[grizzaholic]

Oil will never run out

Yes it will. I don't think it'll be in our lifetimes. But it will.

No. It won't. go back to drinking your diesel.

[grizzaholic]

HI, you are probably the most level headed poster here, but I disagree with your natural gas or electricity comments.

Natural gas should be for BBQ's, homes, and Hipsters. Electricity should be forgotten for cars.

Oil will never run out, and before I get skewered over the "never" I use that term for 500 years or so. Technology will get us all nu'clear powered cars.

No wonder the BBQ is shhitty in Montana.

Don't be a douche. You know what I meant assclown.