Jeezus... I just voted for Jill Stein

[DSUrocks07]

We'd still be spending 2x what China, the #2 country in military spending, spends.



yeah, not sure about this one


Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

Not sure about an all out ban, but using them in countries that we have not declared war on is un-American. Also, until they greatly improve their accuracy I do not like them being used in urban areas at all. Far too many cases of collateral damage which only creates more terrorists.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.

If we bought our weapons from China, we would cut our budget by 75%.
The National Guard as our centerpiece is not even comical, it's idiotic.
I'm laughing at the notion that we can just tell Iran, Israel and other countries to be nuclear free.
Why BAN the use of a strategic asset that keeps our men safe?
Having bases abroad is an important strategic presence.

Yet people whine and complain about being involved in other countries affairs. Dat logic.

[Chizzang]

This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

[89Hen]

Yet people whine and complain about being involved in other countries affairs. Dat logic.

A US base abroad is for our benefit.

[Chizzang]

Look here boys...
I voted for Jill because I couldn't endorse Obama or Rmoney
and Johnson was too easy of a choice - he was too much the logical fall back position
Where as the Jillster is 100% totally awesome crazy cat lady

how could she NOT get my oh so valuable presidential vote in Washington state

[89Hen]

Look here boys...
I voted for Jill because I couldn't endorse Obama or Rmoney
and Johnson was too easy of a choice - he was too much the logical fall back position
Where as the Jillster is 100% totally awesome crazy cat lady

how could she NOT get my oh so valuable presidential vote in Washington state

You wasted my morning.

[kalm]

Yet people whine and complain about being involved in other countries affairs. Dat logic.

A US base abroad is for our benefit.

Maybe true, but we can't afford them anymore. Jill Stein, more fiscally conservative than 89hen.

[UNI88]

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.

How do you create a nuclear free zone and require all nations in an area to join when you've just cut the military by 50% and closed 140 bases?

Kalm and Hooligan, have you read the Employee Free Choice Act? It turns the tables by making it very difficult for Americans to NOT join unions - how is that choice? It should be called the Union Conscription Act.

Cleets, I understand the vote a protest perspective from but she's bat shit wacko and I'm going with Johnson.

[kalm]

Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.

How do you create a nuclear free zone and require all nations in an area to join when you've just cut the military by 50% and closed 140 bases?

Kalm and Hooligan, have you read the Employee Free Choice Act? It turns the tables by making it very difficult for Americans to NOT join unions - how is that choice? It should be called the Union Conscription Act.

Cleets, I understand the vote a protest perspective from but she's bat shit wacko and I'm going with Johnson.

I read up on it a couple years back but all I can remember is that I thought it helped bolster democracy in the workplace. I could be wrong though. I probably lean anti-union, but they have done some good at certain times and as their influence has waned so have wages.

[89Hen]

A US base abroad is for our benefit.

Maybe true, but we can't afford them anymore. Jill Stein, more fiscally conservative than 89hen.

National security is the most important job of the federal goverment.

[89Hen]

I probably lean anti-union

Then Jill Stein aint your woman.

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe true, but we can't afford them anymore. Jill Stein, more fiscally conservative than 89hen.

National security is the most important job of the federal goverment.

Lockheed, Boeing and Booz-Allen enthusiastically endorse your thoughts on this subject.

[Chizzang]

National security is the most important job of the federal goverment.

Lockheed, Boeing and Booz-Allen enthusiastically endorse your thoughts on this subject.

Republicans struggle with understanding the difference between where our nation ends and somebody elses nation begins...

Global security and Team World police is different than "National Security"
One Nation (ours) Not Global peace keeper

[kalm]

Lockheed, Boeing and Booz-Allen enthusiastically endorse your thoughts on this subject.

Republicans struggle with understanding the difference between where our nation ends and somebody elses nation begins...

Global security and Team World police is different than "National Security"
One Nation (ours) Not Global peace keeper

Oddly enough, her idea about strengthening the National Guard coincides with the original intent of the founders and conservative thought.

[Chizzang]

Republicans struggle with understanding the difference between where our nation ends and somebody elses nation begins...

Global security and Team World police is different than "National Security"
One Nation (ours) Not Global peace keeper

Oddly enough, her idea about strengthening the National Guard coincides with the original intent of the founders and conservative thought.

Yeah but where's the cash cow in that plan..?
and as much as she's the crazy cat lady on the fabulous list of presidential candidates - she is less crazy than a guy who thinks he ascends to Godhood and gets a planet populated with women for him to propagate

Who's crazier..?
The cat lady or the Mormon, frankly it's not that close - Rmoney makes her look sane

[kalm]

Oddly enough, her idea about strengthening the National Guard coincides with the original intent of the founders and conservative thought.

Yeah but where's the cash cow in that plan..?
and as much as she's the crazy cat lady on the fabulous list of presidential candidates - she is less crazy than a guy who thinks he ascends to Godhood and gets a planet populated with women for him to propagate

Who's crazier..?
The cat lady or the Mormon, frankly it's not that close - Rmoney makes her look sane

Truth.

[89Hen]

Your bait is old and you've already hooked me once this morning.

[UNI88]

Republicans struggle with understanding the difference between where our nation ends and somebody elses nation begins...

Global security and Team World police is different than "National Security"
One Nation (ours) Not Global peace keeper

Oddly enough, her idea about strengthening the National Guard coincides with the original intent of the founders and conservative thought.

It does coincide with the original intent of the founders but in today's world it's more than a little idealistic. I doubt if a founder if brought into the present would endorse such an approach. I have no problem with cutting spending and streamlining the military but I also have no doubt that there are nations and other entities out there who would take advantage of a U.S. that was defended only by the National Guard and the positive karma generated by people joining hands and using their aura's to create a protective shield around the country.

What is/was the original intent of conservative thought? There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, neo-conservatives, conservatives that just want to go back to the good ole days, etc.

[89Hen]

I doubt if a founder if brought into the present would endorse such an approach.

or many of the things they believed for that matter

[kalm]

Oddly enough, her idea about strengthening the National Guard coincides with the original intent of the founders and conservative thought.

It does coincide with the original intent of the founders but in today's world it's more than a little idealistic. I doubt if a founder if brought into the present would endorse such an approach. I have no problem with cutting spending and streamlining the military but I also have no doubt that there are nations and other entities out there who would take advantage of a U.S. that was defended only by the National Guard and the positive karma generated by people joining hands and using their aura's to create a protective shield around the country.

What is/was the original intent of conservative thought? There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, neo-conservatives, conservatives that just want to go back to the good ole days, etc.

I'm a "just want to go back to the good ole days conservative".

[Chizzang]

Your bait is old and you've already hooked me once this morning.

[UNI88]

How do you create a nuclear free zone and require all nations in an area to join when you've just cut the military by 50% and closed 140 bases?

Kalm and Hooligan, have you read the Employee Free Choice Act? It turns the tables by making it very difficult for Americans to NOT join unions - how is that choice? It should be called the Union Conscription Act.

Cleets, I understand the vote a protest perspective from but she's bat **** wacko and I'm going with Johnson.

I read up on it a couple years back but all I can remember is that I thought it helped bolster democracy in the workplace. I could be wrong though. I probably lean anti-union, but they have done some good at certain times and as their influence has waned so have wages.

Some things to think about on the Employee Free Choice Act:
Do you understand the impact of the "card-check" portion of the bill? Under current law, an employer when presented with the showing of majority support for a union may voluntarily recognize the union or it may refuse and force the union to petition the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) to conduct a secret-ballot election. This bill requires the NLRB to certify a union if the union has shown that a majority of employees in the unit have signed valid union authorization cards, the employer can't force a secret ballot. Do you think there is any chance that a union representative(s) might intimidate an employee into signing the union authorization card? With the secret-ballot election such an employee could vote how they felt without fear of retribution. The bill takes that option, that choice, away from the employee.

The bill also imposes mandatory mediation and arbitration in first-contract negotiations between the employer and the union if settlement is not reached within a short time frame. Current law does not require employers to use mediation and arbitration to settle collective bargaining disputes; it doesn't require that a contract be signed at all. An employer currently has the choice of whether to negotiate and sign a contract with the union.

The bill also has provisions regarding penalties for unlawful conduct committed by an employer but does not have reciprocal penalties for unlawful conduct committed by a union. Is that fair? Is it progressive?

Do you still support it?

[UNI88]

It does coincide with the original intent of the founders but in today's world it's more than a little idealistic. I doubt if a founder if brought into the present would endorse such an approach. I have no problem with cutting spending and streamlining the military but I also have no doubt that there are nations and other entities out there who would take advantage of a U.S. that was defended only by the National Guard and the positive karma generated by people joining hands and using their aura's to create a protective shield around the country.

What is/was the original intent of conservative thought? There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, neo-conservatives, conservatives that just want to go back to the good ole days, etc.

I'm a "just want to go back to the good ole days conservative".

Sitting in the recliner, smoking a pipe, watching Donna Reed on the TV; the wife in the kitchen, barefoot & pregnant, making sammies ... the good ole days!

[kalm]

I'm a "just want to go back to the good ole days conservative".

Sitting in the recliner, smoking a pipe, watching Donna Reed on the TV; the wife in the kitchen, barefoot & pregnant, making sammies ... the good ole days!

Exactly!!!!

[death dealer]

This is how far I've been pushed out into the weeds by our present system
I just filled out my Washington State voters ballot card and selected Jill Stein as my choice for President

The one Shocker on my card:
I voted for a Republican Rob McKenna for governor
The rest of my choices were for Democrats and Liberals

I voted to decriminalize pot
To balance the Washington State budget
Charter schools

She will be my choice as well.