Obama gives Romney another talking point.

[BDKJMU]

This whole thing is much ado about nothing. Obama has a record as President, and that is what Romney has to exploit.

If Romney and the GOP are hanging their hopes on taking advantage of Obama's verbal gaffes they are sunk.

It sure didn't sink Bush in 04' to take advantage of Kerry's "I actually did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it."

[Grizalltheway]

This whole thing is much ado about nothing. Obama has a record as President, and that is what Romney has to exploit.

If Romney and the GOP are hanging their hopes on taking advantage of Obama's verbal gaffes they are sunk.

It sure didn't sink Bush in 04' to take advantage of Kerry's "I actually did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it."

Bush was an incumbent. Romney is not.

[Tod]

This whole thing is much ado about nothing. Obama has a record as President, and that is what Romney has to exploit.

If Romney and the GOP are hanging their hopes on taking advantage of Obama's verbal gaffes they are sunk.

It sure didn't sink Bush in 04' to take advantage of Kerry's "I actually did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it."

Yeah, the swiftboating had nothing to do with it.

[BlueHen86]

This whole thing is much ado about nothing. Obama has a record as President, and that is what Romney has to exploit.

If Romney and the GOP are hanging their hopes on taking advantage of Obama's verbal gaffes they are sunk.

It sure didn't sink Bush in 04' to take advantage of Kerry's "I actually did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it."

1) There are books and desk top calenders of "Bushisms". Verbal gaffes didn't cause Bush the election.

2) Kerry didn't have a record as President to focus on.

If you want to convince people that Obama shouldn't be President, talk about what he's done over the last 3.5 years.

[death dealer]

Millions of people use small business loans from the gub-mint to get their businesses off the ground. Kudos to that guy for bootstrapping it.

And having his business located on a highway...with subsidized utilities...and police and fire...but yeah...kudoh's.

On a highway, paid for by local taxes, patrolled by cops paid for with local taxes, and protected by firemen paid for with local taxes. Whoays the lions share of local taxes? Business and property owners like this guy.

I often wonder what life would be like without such an intrusive centralized federal govt. Probably worse. However, their is something immensely fucked up about that statement coming from a worthless POS like Obama who has never produced a fucking decent thing in his life. Of course he loves govt. He's been sucking it's tit for his entire existence.
The govt should be in the business of helping people advance ideas and business. I think college and vocational school should be free to anyone able to achieve a certain level of merit based criteria, albeit very high levels of said achievement, for example. Our govt should be building our brain trust and developing and nurturing our brightest and best. But that's not what we do. We nurture our waste. We prop up and tend our detritus. We as a society are weed farmers and have been since the sixties, and the crop is ripening for harvest. We're gonna choke on it.

[kalm]

And having his business located on a highway...with subsidized utilities...and police and fire...but yeah...kudoh's.

On a highway, paid for by local taxes, patrolled by cops paid for with local taxes, and protected by firemen paid for with local taxes. Whoays the lions share of local taxes? Business and property owners like this guy.

I often wonder what life would be like without such an intrusive centralized federal govt. Probably worse. However, their is something immensely fucked up about that statement coming from a worthless POS like Obama who has never produced a fucking decent thing in his life. Of course he loves govt. He's been sucking it's tit for his entire existence.
The govt should be in the business of helping people advance ideas and business. I think college and vocational school should be free to anyone able to achieve a certain level of merit based criteria, albeit very high levels of said achievement, for example. Our govt should be building our brain trust and developing and nurturing our brightest and best. But that's not what we do. We nurture our waste. We prop up and tend our detritus. We as a society are weed farmers and have been since the sixties, and the crop is ripening for harvest. We're gonna choke on it.

1) Local taxes are a cost of doing business and are also paid by the consumer.

2) Even if those costs weren't passed down, very few if any small businesses could afford to build and maintain the infrastructure and emergency services on their own.

At it's core, this is a we versus me argument and the silly part is it doesn't have to be one or the other. We can have outstanding personal achievement within a framework of helping each other out. But I get your point and totally agree with the rest of your post.

[houndawg]

And having his business located on a highway...with subsidized utilities...and police and fire...but yeah...kudoh's.

On a highway, paid for by local taxes, patrolled by cops paid for with local taxes, and protected by firemen paid for with local taxes. Whoays the lions share of local taxes? Business and property owners like this guy.

I often wonder what life would be like without such an intrusive centralized federal govt. Probably worse. However, their is something immensely **** up about that statement coming from a worthless POS like Obama who has never produced a **** decent thing in his life. Of course he loves govt. He's been sucking it's tit for his entire existence.
The govt should be in the business of helping people advance ideas and business. I think college and vocational school should be free to anyone able to achieve a certain level of merit based criteria, albeit very high levels of said achievement, for example. Our govt should be building our brain trust and developing and nurturing our brightest and best. But that's not what we do. We nurture our waste. We prop up and tend our detritus. We as a society are weed farmers and have been since the sixties, and the crop is ripening for harvest. We're gonna choke on it.

You don't get any fed money for highways?

[death dealer]

You don't get any fed money for highways?

sure. Just like everyone else. But most of the streets in my town are maintained with local funding. The street my business is on is a local city street, not paid for with federal dollars. Again, it's a chicken and egg argument. I have benefitted from several government programs like low interest loans for grad school (I received a merit scholarship that paid for undergrad, but I didn't earn that, that was someone else studying his ass off to get that scholarship). But I repaid that debt in the taxes I paid last year alone, so I've been a vey good investment for the federal govt. And will continue to pay off for a long time. But I believe that the govnment exists to serve me and make the world safe for me to do business in. I pay taxes in a similar way that I pay for my employees, and all the outside vendors that I pay. I am paying for a service. The government wouldn't be able to exist without my kind and the taxes I pay, and the taxes on the wages of the jobs I create. The government didn't do anything, We did that, We built the whitehouse, Capitol hill, the local courthouse. That wasn't the government, that was us. Without me/us the govt doesn't even exist.

/thread.

[UNI88]

But I repaid that debt in the taxes I paid last year alone, so I've been a vey good investment for the federal govt. And will continue to pay off for a long time. But I believe that the govnment exists to serve me and make the world safe for me to do business in. I pay taxes in a similar way that I pay for my employees, and all the outside vendors that I pay. I am paying for a service. The government wouldn't be able to exist without my kind and the taxes I pay, and the taxes on the wages of the jobs I create. The government didn't do anything, We did that, We built the whitehouse, Capitol hill, the local courthouse. That wasn't the government, that was us. Without me/us the govt doesn't even exist.

Well said!

[kalm]

But I repaid that debt in the taxes I paid last year alone, so I've been a vey good investment for the federal govt. And will continue to pay off for a long time. But I believe that the govnment exists to serve me and make the world safe for me to do business in. I pay taxes in a similar way that I pay for my employees, and all the outside vendors that I pay. I am paying for a service. The government wouldn't be able to exist without my kind and the taxes I pay, and the taxes on the wages of the jobs I create. The government didn't do anything, We did that, We built the whitehouse, Capitol hill, the local courthouse. That wasn't the government, that was us. Without me/us the govt doesn't even exist.

Well said!

Meh. How much do dentists make in Somalia?

[UNI88]

Well said!

Meh. How much do dentists make in Somalia?

Probably about the same as what they make in North Korea

[death dealer]

Well said!

Meh. How much do dentists make in Somalia?

Not going there with you Kalm. Who the fuck is advocating a Somali style system? Hyperbole won't get you much here. I'm not advocating a total free market system. The socially engineered capitalistic hybrid we have is very nice, but I prefer a leader who sees the relationship as it truly is, and that is that the govt needs business way more than business needs the govt. Businessmen created our govt, not the other way around.

[BlueHen86]

You don't get any fed money for highways?

sure. Just like everyone else. But most of the streets in my town are maintained with local funding. The street my business is on is a local city street, not paid for with federal dollars. Again, it's a chicken and egg argument. I have benefitted from several government programs like low interest loans for grad school (I received a merit scholarship that paid for undergrad, but I didn't earn that, that was someone else studying his ass off to get that scholarship). But I repaid that debt in the taxes I paid last year alone, so I've been a vey good investment for the federal govt. And will continue to pay off for a long time. But I believe that the govnment exists to serve me and make the world safe for me to do business in. I pay taxes in a similar way that I pay for my employees, and all the outside vendors that I pay. I am paying for a service. The government wouldn't be able to exist without my kind and the taxes I pay, and the taxes on the wages of the jobs I create. The government didn't do anything, We did that, We built the whitehouse, Capitol hill, the local courthouse. That wasn't the government, that was us. Without me/us the govt doesn't even exist.



/thread.

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

[GannonFan]

sure. Just like everyone else. But most of the streets in my town are maintained with local funding. The street my business is on is a local city street, not paid for with federal dollars. Again, it's a chicken and egg argument. I have benefitted from several government programs like low interest loans for grad school (I received a merit scholarship that paid for undergrad, but I didn't earn that, that was someone else studying his ass off to get that scholarship). But I repaid that debt in the taxes I paid last year alone, so I've been a vey good investment for the federal govt. And will continue to pay off for a long time. But I believe that the govnment exists to serve me and make the world safe for me to do business in. I pay taxes in a similar way that I pay for my employees, and all the outside vendors that I pay. I am paying for a service. The government wouldn't be able to exist without my kind and the taxes I pay, and the taxes on the wages of the jobs I create. The government didn't do anything, We did that, We built the whitehouse, Capitol hill, the local courthouse. That wasn't the government, that was us. Without me/us the govt doesn't even exist.



/thread.

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

No one's ever disputed that - the age old question has always been how much government do we need and what form does it take. That debate has been going on, and will continue going on, forever.

[BlueHen86]

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

No one's ever disputed that - the age old question has always been how much government do we need and what form does it take. That debate has been going on, and will continue going on, forever.

Until now, otherwise this thread wouldn't be here. Obama put his foot in his mouth, but what he meant is correct. I don't care how successful your business is, you didn't do it alone and government helped.

[death dealer]

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

You know well and good I never said it wasn't. But in every relationship, someone benefits a little more than the other. In Barack Obama's fairy tail I have been the recipient of some magical gift from my fairy godmother uncle Sam. But in reality, in the real world I live in, while the govt has often been helpful, and no doubt provides a framework of sorts within which I can function as a businessman, it exists for us and because of us, not the other way around. Now, again, /thread.

You're welcome.

[BlueHen86]

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

You know well and good I never said it wasn't. But in every relationship, someone benefits a little more than the other. In Barack Obama's fairy tail I have been the recipient of some magical gift from my fairy godmother uncle Sam. But in reality, in the real world I live in, while the govt has often been helpful, and no doubt provides a framework of sorts within which I can function as a businessman, it exists for us and because of us, not the other way around. Now, again, /thread.

You're welcome.

For what? What have you done that I should be thankful for? You think you're doing us a favor by sharing your opinion and following it up with /thread? You are a legend in your own mind.

[YoUDeeMan]

There is an article in our local paper that tries to put things into perspective.

She cites three examples of how businesses are helped by government. Here's just one of them:

• Tax deductions. Forget about creative tax advantages that allow hedge-fund managers to pay little or no taxes. Let’s even forget that money earned from stock incurs lower taxes than money earned working for a company to help create the value of the stock.

Let’s just look at the fact that businesses can deduct expenses denied to individuals.

A corporation can deduct the cost of a van to deliver goods. The van’s driver can’t deduct the car he drives to get to work, yet that’s a legitimate expense he incurs to create income for himself.

Businesses can deduct almost every expense, and individuals almost none.

Over and over again, government grants businesses benefits denied to individuals.

So if you have a successful company, yes, you built it.

But you didn’t build it alone.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ext|Home|s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Yeah, and a small business would not make it without the mob taking less money than they take from others.

[BlueHen86]

There is an article in our local paper that tries to put things into perspective.

She cites three examples of how businesses are helped by government. Here's just one of them:

• Tax deductions. Forget about creative tax advantages that allow hedge-fund managers to pay little or no taxes. Let’s even forget that money earned from stock incurs lower taxes than money earned working for a company to help create the value of the stock.

Let’s just look at the fact that businesses can deduct expenses denied to individuals.

A corporation can deduct the cost of a van to deliver goods. The van’s driver can’t deduct the car he drives to get to work, yet that’s a legitimate expense he incurs to create income for himself.

Businesses can deduct almost every expense, and individuals almost none.

Over and over again, government grants businesses benefits denied to individuals.

So if you have a successful company, yes, you built it.

But you didn’t build it alone.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ext|Home|s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Yeah, and a small business would not make it without the mob taking less money than they take from others.

I gotta agree with you here, pretty lame.

I hope her other two points were better.

[kalm]

It's a symbiotic relationship. Like it or not, we need government, and vice versa.

No one's ever disputed that - the age old question has always been how much government do we need and what form does it take. That debate has been going on, and will continue going on, forever.

Not needing government is the one of the core meme's of the Republican Party. They might not really mean it, but it's what a majority of their rhetoric is about. They declared war on government years ago.

Here, let me help you guys out with a recent example...

[death dealer]

You know well and good I never said it wasn't. But in every relationship, someone benefits a little more than the other. In Barack Obama's fairy tail I have been the recipient of some magical gift from my fairy godmother uncle Sam. But in reality, in the real world I live in, while the govt has often been helpful, and no doubt provides a framework of sorts within which I can function as a businessman, it exists for us and because of us, not the other way around. Now, again, /thread.

You're welcome.

For what? What have you done that I should be thankful for? You think you're doing us a favor by sharing your opinion and following it up with /thread? You are a legend in your own mind.

IT WAS A JOKE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!


Apparently not a very funny one to Blue Hen fans from 1986. I'll work on my technique. Geez.

[death dealer]

No one's ever disputed that - the age old question has always been how much government do we need and what form does it take. That debate has been going on, and will continue going on, forever.

Not needing government is the one of the core meme's of the Republican Party. They might not really mean it, but it's what a majority of their rhetoric is about. They declared war on government years ago.

All of those are great examples of how the govt aids in the function of day to day life including running a business. Come on man, don't act so obtuse. You know what we're saying, and you know it has nothing to do with the current Republican Party.

And we all know that the Repubs you speak of are over the top goof balls. Didn't you start a thread about that?

[houndawg]

Not needing government is the one of the core meme's of the Republican Party. They might not really mean it, but it's what a majority of their rhetoric is about. They declared war on government years ago.

All of those are great examples of how the govt aids in the function of day to day life including running a business. Come on man, don't act so obtuse. You know what we're saying, and you know it has nothing to do with the current Republican Party.

And we all know that the Repubs you speak of are over the top goof balls. Didn't you start a thread about that?

And "they" knew what the Prez meant......

[Baldy]

No one's ever disputed that - the age old question has always been how much government do we need and what form does it take. That debate has been going on, and will continue going on, forever.

Not needing government is the one of the core meme's of the Republican Party. They might not really mean it, but it's what a majority of their rhetoric is about. They declared war on government years ago.

Here, let me help you guys out with a recent example...

Hyperbole much?

Savannah's own Ray Gaster. His location that's less than 5 miles from my house closed due to the government, and a 100+ jobs were lost.

It's just part of Obama's "fundamental transformation".

dd is spot on and you know it.

[kalm]

Not needing government is the one of the core meme's of the Republican Party. They might not really mean it, but it's what a majority of their rhetoric is about. They declared war on government years ago.

Here, let me help you guys out with a recent example...

Hyperbole much?

Savannah's own Ray Gaster. His location that's less than 5 miles from my house closed due to the government, and a 100+ jobs were lost.

It's just part of Obama's "fundamental transformation".

dd is spot on and you know it.

Actually, if you read his last post, dd pretty much agrees with Obama. I'm guessing so do you.