If you were the parent/family of

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:52 am

If you were the parent or family member of the shooter in Colorado, would you stand by him and be there to support him through this or would you meet him once, tell him how you feel, and be done with him?

Post by **andy7171** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:54 am

Post by **Vidav** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:01 am

No way you could stand by somebody after that. Some crimes, yes you could. But not something like this.

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:02 am

Tough call. I would stand by my child through the trial and prison, but would have to accept the outcome. I'd still love my child.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:11 am

Vidav wrote:No way you could stand by somebody after that. Some crimes, yes you could. But not something like this.

Child, parent, or friend, I would meet them, and tell them exactly what I thought of them and be done with them. Never give them a second thought.

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 am

grizzaholic wrote:
Vidav wrote:No way you could stand by somebody after that. Some crimes, yes you could. But not something like this.
Child, parent, or friend, I would meet them, and tell them exactly what I thought of them and be done with them. Never give them a second thought.

They probably wouldn't care.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:13 am

Ibanez wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
Child, parent, or friend, I would meet them, and tell them exactly what I thought of them and be done with them. Never give them a second thought.
They probably wouldn't care.

Probably not, crazy fucks.

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:28 am

Think of Timothy McVeigh's dad - that's how I'd be. Impossible to comprehend, heart-breakingly sad, yet he's your son so you stand by him unless he cuts you off. What else can you do?

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/04/27/mc ... index.html

Or if your child kills himself too, I'd be like the Amish schoolhouse killer's mom:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/2 ... 87525.html

Pure evil exists in this world, and sometimes comes to inhabit those close to you, often through no fault of their own. Only love conquers this - hatred just propagates it.

And fwiw the VT shooter was from my old neighborhood - my son knew Cho, and trust me he was a loner but not the anti-christ (at least not when he was in middle school and high school) - his poor, poor parents...

Post by **andy7171** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:42 am

Rob Iola wrote:Think of Timothy McVeigh's dad - that's how I'd be. Impossible to comprehend, heart-breakingly sad, yet he's your son so you stand by him unless he cuts you off. What else can you do?

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/04/27/mc ... index.html

Or if your child kills himself too, I'd be like the Amish schoolhouse killer's mom:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/2 ... 87525.html

Pure evil exists in this world, and sometimes comes to inhabit those close to you, often through no fault of their own. Only love conquers this - hatred just propagates it.

And fwiw the VT shooter was from my old neighborhood - my son knew Cho, and trust me he was a loner but not the anti-christ (at least not when he was in middle school and high school) - his poor, poor parents...

good post

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:57 am

Post by **UNI88** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 am

+2
Couldn't have said it any better.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:59 pm

Ibanez wrote:Tough call. I would stand by my child through the trial and prison, but would have to accept the outcome. I'd still love my child.

This. We're most like dealing with mental illness here.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:08 pm

Amazingly, I would stand with D1B here. If he's proven to be insane, you gotta stand by him through therapy.

Of course, if he's NOT proven insane, then screw him....

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:47 pm

grizzaholic wrote:
Vidav wrote:No way you could stand by somebody after that. Some crimes, yes you could. But not something like this.
Child, parent, or friend, I would meet them, and tell them exactly what I thought of them and be done with them. Never give them a second thought.

Well, with that attitude, I could see why your offspring would be shooting people.

Post by **Vidav** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:14 pm

Cluck U wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
Child, parent, or friend, I would meet them, and tell them exactly what I thought of them and be done with them. Never give them a second thought.

Well, with that attitude, I could see why your offspring would be shooting people.

I love my kids with all of my being but if they did something like this guy I wouldn't stand with them. They would no longer be a part of my life. This is a horrible thing and is unforgivable, even if they are my blood.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:29 pm

Vidav wrote:
Cluck U wrote:

Well, with that attitude, I could see why your offspring would be shooting people.
I love my kids with all of my being but if they did something like this guy I wouldn't stand with them. They would no longer be a part of my life. This is a horrible thing and is unforgivable, even if they are my blood.

Post by **Grizo406** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:34 pm

Vidav wrote:
Cluck U wrote:

Well, with that attitude, I could see why your offspring would be shooting people.
I love my kids with all of my being but if they did something like this guy I wouldn't stand with them. They would no longer be a part of my life. This is a horrible thing and is unforgivable, even if they are my blood.

You said what I didn't have the "sack" to say!

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:05 pm

I could never disown my kids. I can disapprove, even rebuke them for what they do, but I would suck up the criticism I would receive and support them.

I can't even fathom abandoning my kids. Ever, for any reason. Even if they become Donks.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:09 pm

CID1990 wrote:I could never disown my kids. I can disapprove, even rebuke them for what they do, but I would suck up the criticism I would receive and support them.

I can't even fathom abandoning my kids. Ever, for any reason. Even if they become Donks.

Happy birthday old balls.

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:20 am

D1B wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Tough call. I would stand by my child through the trial and prison, but would have to accept the outcome. I'd still love my child.
This. We're most like dealing with mental illness here.

There is already some noise coming from this event saying the guy is not a sociopath. His demeanor on Monday seems to be attributed to the post effect of mania.

The interesting point is that JH studied nueroscience. He understands all the conditions that doctors are going to try and label. He had an impressive grant from the Gov't. Is he intelligent enough to fake it?

Post by **Vidav** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:04 am

CID1990 wrote:I could never disown my kids. I can disapprove, even rebuke them for what they do, but I would suck up the criticism I would receive and support them.

I can't even fathom abandoning my kids. Ever, for any reason. Even if they become Donks.

I don't understand that.

"Welcome home son. I know you just murdered and ate 23 babies but you are my son so I support you anyway."

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