FUCK YOU FAT FUCK CHRISTIE

[AZGrizFan]

It's the same sad situation as Larry Craig who lived a lie for years because he was too ashamed to admit to his wife and everyone else what he liked. His culture shamed him into deceit.

Stop the nonsense.

People are responsible for their own behavior and choices. Being "shamed" into "deceit" by a particular culture is a ridiculous excuse for any behavior, especially when you make a false commitment to living the rest of your life with another person. Are straight people "shamed" into marrying the wrong person...and if so would you blame society or the individual for their decision?

"Oh, John really was pressured into marrying Molly. It's so sad that he felt he had to marry her when he really had a not-so-secret yearning for blondes."

"Oh, poor Tinkerbell...her family was not as wealthy as the rest of her private school classmates. She felt pressured to wear the latest and greatest things, and her classmates, the school, television, and society are to blame for her shoplifting those clothes."

"Slayman was a good man. He only killed that person because he was shamed into not taking a low paying job so that led to his life of crime. Societal pressure made him a killer."


Excuses, pure and simple. Life is hard and certainly not fair, but buck up and be honest.

Cluck, you should know by know that in the donk world NOTHING is EVER the individual's fault.

[dbackjon]

This is why the greatest president the republican party ever had left it to form his own party.

You mean the Bull Meese? (Not to be confused with Ed Meese.) And look how well TR did with that.

I've said it before: TR would be a Clinton Democrat today. He was no small-government conservative.

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

[kalm]

This is why the greatest president the republican party ever had left it to form his own party.

You mean the Bull Meese? (Not to be confused with Ed Meese.) And look how well TR did with that.

I've said it before: TR would be a Clinton Democrat today. He was no small-government conservative.

Romney and Obama are basically both Clinton Democrats. And Clinton was a small government conservative.

Gee I wonder why you're party can't seem to find a reasonable candidate outside of the Mormon and crony capitalism shackled Mitt.

[kalm]

Stop the nonsense.

People are responsible for their own behavior and choices. Being "shamed" into "deceit" by a particular culture is a ridiculous excuse for any behavior, especially when you make a false commitment to living the rest of your life with another person. Are straight people "shamed" into marrying the wrong person...and if so would you blame society or the individual for their decision?

"Oh, John really was pressured into marrying Molly. It's so sad that he felt he had to marry her when he really had a not-so-secret yearning for blondes."

"Oh, poor Tinkerbell...her family was not as wealthy as the rest of her private school classmates. She felt pressured to wear the latest and greatest things, and her classmates, the school, television, and society are to blame for her shoplifting those clothes."

"Slayman was a good man. He only killed that person because he was shamed into not taking a low paying job so that led to his life of crime. Societal pressure made him a killer."


Excuses, pure and simple. Life is hard and certainly not fair, but buck up and be honest.

Cluck, you should know by know that in the donk world NOTHING is EVER the individual's fault.

What a second, I thought you weren't a social conservative?

[AZGrizFan]

You mean the Bull Meese? (Not to be confused with Ed Meese.) And look how well TR did with that.

I've said it before: TR would be a Clinton Democrat today. He was no small-government conservative.

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

He'd fit PERFECTLY with me.

Pro choice? Check
Pro gay rights? Check
Anti-extremism? Check
Small government? Check

[AZGrizFan]

Cluck, you should know by know that in the donk world NOTHING is EVER the individual's fault.

What a second, I thought you weren't a social conservative?

I'm not. But I AM a fan of personal responsibility.

[dbackjon]

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

He'd fit PERFECTLY with me.

Pro choice? Check
Pro gay rights? Check
Anti-extremism? Check
Small government? Check

And he'd get 10% of the primary vote in most states

[kalm]

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

He'd fit PERFECTLY with me.

Pro choice? Check
Pro gay rights? Check
Anti-extremism? Check
Small government? Check

And not stand a chance in the Republican primary.

[kalm]

What a second, I thought you weren't a social conservative?

I'm not. But I AM a fan of personal responsibility.

Me too. I'm also a fan of an open and free society.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not. But I AM a fan of personal responsibility.

Me too. I'm also a fan of an open and free society.

As am I. But life sometimes choices come with consequences. The fact you may not want to DEAL with those consequences doesn't make your actions "society's fault".

[kalm]

Me too. I'm also a fan of an open and free society.

As am I. But life sometimes choices come with consequences. The fact you may not want to DEAL with those consequences doesn't make your actions "society's fault".

Thanks for the "life isn't fair" lesson.

[Wedgebuster]

There should be a lard levy or fat tax. It could be assessed at Walmart checkouts.

[Ivytalk]

You mean the Bull Meese? (Not to be confused with Ed Meese.) And look how well TR did with that.

I've said it before: TR would be a Clinton Democrat today. He was no small-government conservative.

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

He'd probably be far ahead of the pack. He was one genuine dude.

[Ivytalk]

You mean the Bull Meese? (Not to be confused with Ed Meese.) And look how well TR did with that.

I've said it before: TR would be a Clinton Democrat today. He was no small-government conservative.

Romney and Obama are basically both Clinton Democrats. And Clinton was a small government conservative.

Gee I wonder why you're party can't seem to find a reasonable candidate outside of the Mormon and crony capitalism shackled Mitt.

Clinton was no small-government conservative. You actually believed him when he said "the era of big government is over." Remember that he supported Hillarycare.

[Cap'n Cat]

And where would the father of today's conservative movement - the pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-religious extremism, small government Barry Goldwater fit in today's Conk-o-sphere?

He'd probably be far ahead of the pack. He was one genuine dude.

Barry Goldwater and Bush I: The only two Conk leaders I even remotely respect. Goldwater because, though he was a deep, dark Conk, he was respectful of opponents, always took the high road and did not fight dirty. Bush 1 because he knew he had to deviate from Reagan's destructive policies...and did.

[kalm]

Romney and Obama are basically both Clinton Democrats. And Clinton was a small government conservative.

Gee I wonder why you're party can't seem to find a reasonable candidate outside of the Mormon and crony capitalism shackled Mitt.

Clinton was no small-government conservative. You actually believed him when he said "the era of big government is over." Remember that he supported Hillarycare.

I don't believe any politician, but Clinton and his team of economic geniuses were neo-liberals.

Bill Clinton was the finest republican president we've had since Ike.

[YoUDeeMan]

Nice rant but the reality is our immature, puritanical culture causes unnecessary problems. It impeached a president and forced Gingrich into hypocrisy and divorce over a perfectly normal request for multiple partners.

Cute...but a distraction.

People are responsible for their choices. Clinton got impeached because he lied...not because he didn't or did have sex in the White House.

There are problems everywhere...right now there is someone bitching in Finland, probably in the form of a badly written poem, against their "mature" education system because he was directed towards a trade and away from an English degree.

Buck up and own your choices and the world would be better off for it.

[Wedgebuster]

Nice rant but the reality is our immature, puritanical culture causes unnecessary problems. It impeached a president and forced Gingrich into hypocrisy and divorce over a perfectly normal request for multiple partners.

Cute...but a distraction.

People are responsible for their choices. Clinton got impeached because he was a Democrat with a Republican controlled House, and it was because he didn't or did have sex in the White House.

There are problems everywhere...right now there is someone bitching in Finland, probably in the form of a badly written poem, against their "mature" education system because he was directed towards a trade and away from an English degree.

Buck up and own your choices and the world would be better off for it.

There, fixed it for you there Angry Bird..

[kalm]

Nice rant but the reality is our immature, puritanical culture causes unnecessary problems. It impeached a president and forced Gingrich into hypocrisy and divorce over a perfectly normal request for multiple partners.

Cute...but a distraction.

People are responsible for their choices. Clinton got impeached because he lied...not because he didn't or did have sex in the White House.

There are problems everywhere...right now there is someone bitching in Finland, probably in the form of a badly written poem, against their "mature" education system because he was directed towards a trade and away from an English degree.

Buck up and own your choices and the world would be better off for it.

You turned it into a personal responsibility deal. Craig got outed and paid the price for not being man enough to stand up for who he was in the Mormon controlled theocracy of South Idaho. Pussy.

[YoUDeeMan]

You turned it into a personal responsibility deal. Craig got outed and paid the price for not being man enough to stand up for who he was in the Mormon controlled theocracy of South Idaho. Pussy.

I didn't turn it into a personal responsibility deal. It simply IS a personal responsibility deal.

You said he was shamed into his behavior by the existing culture...shame doesn't come from the ouside...not from a "theocracy controlled" anything.

Just to be clear, are we talking the same Larry Craig? The creep who was caught in a bathroom soliciting sex? The closet gay who repeatedly and publicly had a record of anti-gay legislation? If so, he wasn't shamed by anything other than his own choices and bahavior.

I don't give a crap if he was in Morman territory or if he was in Provincetown, MA...makes no difference. The guy was a lying sack of shvt who, for his own personal advancement, decided to lead a false life. No different than a pedophile in the church...are you saying those preists are victims and their behavior is a result of the existing culture?

When caught, Craig, typical of lying sacks of shvt, tried to blame everyone else by saying they were mistaken or had an agenda. It was he who had the agenda. The rest is crap.

[YoUDeeMan]

There, fixed it for you there Angry Bird..

Not much of a thinker, are you?

[kalm]

You turned it into a personal responsibility deal. Craig got outed and paid the price for not being man enough to stand up for who he was in the Mormon controlled theocracy of South Idaho. Pussy.

I didn't turn it into a personal responsibility deal. It simply IS a personal responsibility deal.

You said he was shamed into his behavior by the existing culture...shame doesn't come from the ouside...not from a "theocracy controlled" anything.

Just to be clear, are we talking the same Larry Craig? The creep who was caught in a bathroom soliciting sex? The closet gay who repeatedly and publicly had a record of anti-gay legislation? If so, he wasn't shamed by anything other than his own choices and bahavior.

I don't give a crap if he was in Morman territory or if he was in Provincetown, MA...makes no difference. The guy was a lying sack of shvt who, for his own personal advancement, decided to lead a false life. No different than a pedophile in the church...are you saying those preists are victims and their behavior is a result of the existing culture?

When caught, Craig, typical of lying sacks of shvt, tried to blame everyone else by saying they were mistaken or had an agenda. It was he who had the agenda. The rest is crap.

Should he take responsibility for living a lie or for being gay? I'm all on board with the responsibility thing and it would have been nice if came out and was honest about who he was. It would have been even better if he never felt compelled to hide it in the first plance. Everyone feels shame from time to time including you. At issue is what causes that shame. Pedophilia should, being gay shouldn't.

[Cap'n Cat]

I didn't turn it into a personal responsibility deal. It simply IS a personal responsibility deal.

You said he was shamed into his behavior by the existing culture...shame doesn't come from the ouside...not from a "theocracy controlled" anything.

Just to be clear, are we talking the same Larry Craig? The creep who was caught in a bathroom soliciting sex? The closet gay who repeatedly and publicly had a record of anti-gay legislation? If so, he wasn't shamed by anything other than his own choices and bahavior.

I don't give a crap if he was in Morman territory or if he was in Provincetown, MA...makes no difference. The guy was a lying sack of shvt who, for his own personal advancement, decided to lead a false life. No different than a pedophile in the church...are you saying those preists are victims and their behavior is a result of the existing culture?

When caught, Craig, typical of lying sacks of shvt, tried to blame everyone else by saying they were mistaken or had an agenda. It was he who had the agenda. The rest is crap.

Should he take responsibility for living a lie or for being gay? I'm all on board with the responsibility thing and it would have been nice if came out and was honest about who he was. It would have been even better if he never felt compelled to hide it in the first plance. Everyone feels shame from time to time including you. At issue is what causes that shame. Pedophilia should, being gay shouldn't.

Cluckie pees sitting down.

[YoUDeeMan]

Should he take responsibility for living a lie or for being gay? I'm all on board with the responsibility thing and it would have been nice if came out and was honest about who he was. It would have been even better if he never felt compelled to hide it in the first plance. Everyone feels shame from time to time including you. At issue is what causes that shame. Pedophilia should, being gay shouldn't.

See, there's where we disagree. Discrimination is everywhere in many forms...skin color, religion, accent, weight, height, big nosed, red hair, ugly, shyness, financial (can you imagine the pressure Cap'n was under...he fits, with a little help from a crowbar, almost every woeful category one can think of)...you name it and people will treat you differently and deny (or provide) you opportunity. And everyone discriminates on some level...despite some whack jobs trying to say otherwise.

In the end, you can choose to let that crap slow you down and change you or you can choose to be yourself. No one is "compelled" to do anything...but too many people are lemmings. They CHOOSE to do things and then blame everyone else for their problems.

I respect the people who are honest with themselves and others.

[YoUDeeMan]

Should he take responsibility for living a lie or for being gay? I'm all on board with the responsibility thing and it would have been nice if came out and was honest about who he was. It would have been even better if he never felt compelled to hide it in the first plance. Everyone feels shame from time to time including you. At issue is what causes that shame. Pedophilia should, being gay shouldn't.

Cluckie pees sitting down.

Cap'n: "D1B, can you come over again and wipe my azz? I'm still too fat to do it myself. Just don't tell anyone."

Cappy...you've been in and out of a job for...well, almost forever. Time for you to use some good old, white American ingenuity...become a bidet salesman and put a franchised sales store next to every McDonalds and Applebee's. There's a growing market out there as Americans are getting fatter by the minute.