FUCK YOU KOMEN FOUNDATION

[D1B]

1.75 million spared the hatred, discrimination and ridicule of people like you, Hen.

Eh. You can't even stay on task on this one. Discussing with you is pointless.

At some point Hen, you're going to have to own up to the hypocrisy of espousing the gospel values of Jesus Christ AND the immoral values of your political religion/economic system.

Every time I call you on it, I get this:

Discussing with you is pointless. :coffee

[D1B]

Moving on from the whole abortion rant...

it's a shame that very little money given to charities or "non-profits" ever goes to finding a cure for a disease.

I had two friends that worked for American Cancer Society which sadly is one of the worst in terms of % of $ that goes to "administrative costs" and could never in good conscience ever think of giving that charity & many others a second of my time or a dollar out of my wallet...

+6.93. I stopped giving to national charities a few years ago after doing some research about how much is going to admin costs. My donations all go to local charities - public library, fire department, etc. Screw these big charities and their bureaucracies.

[Vidav]

Haha this is awesome. Apparently they didn't think through the whole laying down in front of a truck thing.

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[89Hen]

Eh. You can't even stay on task on this one. Discussing with you is pointless.

At some point Hen, you're going to have to own up to the hypocrisy of espousing the gospel values of Jesus Christ AND the immoral values of your political religion/economic system.

Every time I call you on it, I get this:

Discussing with you is pointless. :coffee

Because it's true. You try to pass off hyperbole and opinion as more than it is.

[89Hen]

Jumping around a bit, aren't we? First, that's your opinion. Second, where did I ever say I was against abortion in the case of a woman's life in jeopardy?

Jumping around? This is where you're going.

No shit it's my opinion and tens of millions of other's too.

You're in the minority.

[dbackjon]

Moving on from the whole abortion rant...

it's a shame that very little money given to charities or "non-profits" ever goes to finding a cure for a disease.

I had two friends that worked for American Cancer Society which sadly is one of the worst in terms of % of $ that goes to "administrative costs" and could never in good conscience ever think of giving that charity & many others a second of my time or a dollar out of my wallet...

+6.93. I stopped giving to national charities a few years ago after doing some research about how much is going to admin costs. My donations all go to local charities - public library, fire department, etc. Screw these big charities and their bureaucracies.

Thanks both of you for noting part one of the rant. The founder (sister of SGK) founded the charity to "do everything she could to end the disease" - but is now raking in a half-million plus in salary a year - she has skimmed millions off the top since the charity was founded - nice racket.

[JoltinJoe]

Saw a friend yesterday who works in corporate giving for his company, so I asked him about the Komen-PP fracas. He had an interesting outlook. He said, long-term, the big loser in this turf war would be PP. He explained that he doubted that any corporation or not-for-profit not presently donating to PP is going to start now, out of fear that perhaps that once they start giving to PP, they will not be able to get out of the relationship in the future without a public spectacle damaging to their brand.

He joked that PP reacted like a jealous, possessive, stalking ex-spouse. So, knowing that, who would enter into a relationship with PP when there is apparently no easy way of getting out?

He also speculated that groups currently funding PP will gradually cut back too, out of fear of having their brand tainted by an association with PP. In this respect, in light of recent events, he said that Komen's biggest mistake was by funding PP in the first place. Knowing that, not many organizations will repeat that mistake.

[D1B]

Saw a friend yesterday who works in corporate giving for his company, so I asked him about the Komen-PP fracas. He had an interesting outlook. He said, long-term, the big loser in this turf war would be PP. He explained that he doubted that any corporation or not-for-profit not presently donating to PP is going to start now, out of fear that perhaps that once they start giving to PP, they will not be able to get out of the relationship in the future without a public spectacle damaging to their brand.

He joked that PP reacted like a jealous, possessive, stalking ex-spouse. So, knowing that, who would enter into a relationship with PP when there is apparently no easy way of getting out?

He also speculated that groups currently funding PP will gradually cut back too, out of fear of having their brand tainted by an association with PP. In this respect, in light of recent events, he said that Komen's biggest mistake was by funding PP in the first place. Knowing that, not many organizations will repeat that mistake.

We'll see.

Funny, your friend, who is undoubtably a world-renowned expert on corporate giving, missed the part about the fact that is was the Komen chapters who raised holy hell regarding the decision, not so much PP. This aside, your friend really said that current PP funders are not already aware of the PR liability or benefits of involvement with PP: essentially that they gave, willy nilly to a charity?

Your friend really thinks this issue is the first for PP. They've been down this road before, many times, and almost all were far more grave than what happened last week.

Since the Komen debacle, PP has recieved millions in new revenue and more important, new supporters. Komen will be reeling from the effects of their cowardess for years. Practically everyone I've talked to is pulling their support, not doing the run this year and many are forwarding support to PP.

Sounds like you need a new friend, Joe: real or imaginary.

[D1B]

Jumping around? This is where you're going.

No shit it's my opinion and tens of millions of other's too.

You're in the minority.

Doesn't matter.

[D1B]

At some point Hen, you're going to have to own up to the hypocrisy of espousing the gospel values of Jesus Christ AND the immoral values of your political religion/economic system.

Every time I call you on it, I get this:

Discussing with you is pointless. :coffee

Because it's true. You try to pass off hyperbole and opinion as more than it is.

Whatever. Fetuses don't rights. Deal with it.


*Glad you are one of the more levelheaded pro lifers her.

[JoltinJoe]

Saw a friend yesterday who works in corporate giving for his company, so I asked him about the Komen-PP fracas. He had an interesting outlook. He said, long-term, the big loser in this turf war would be PP. He explained that he doubted that any corporation or not-for-profit not presently donating to PP is going to start now, out of fear that perhaps that once they start giving to PP, they will not be able to get out of the relationship in the future without a public spectacle damaging to their brand.

He joked that PP reacted like a jealous, possessive, stalking ex-spouse. So, knowing that, who would enter into a relationship with PP when there is apparently no easy way of getting out?

He also speculated that groups currently funding PP will gradually cut back too, out of fear of having their brand tainted by an association with PP. In this respect, in light of recent events, he said that Komen's biggest mistake was by funding PP in the first place. Knowing that, not many organizations will repeat that mistake.

We'll see.

Funny, your friend, who is undoubtably a world-renowned expert on corporate giving, missed the part about the fact that is was the Komen chapters who raised holy hell regarding the decision, not so much PP. This aside, your friend really said that current PP funders are not already aware of the PR liability or benefits of involvement with PP: essentially that they gave, willy nilly to a charity?

Your friend really thinks this issue is the first for PP. They've been down this road before, many times, and almost all were far more grave than what happened last week.

Since the Komen debacle, PP has recieved millions in new revenue and more important, new supporters. Komen will be reeling from the effects of their cowardess for years. Practically everyone I've talked to is pulling their support, not doing the run this year and many are forwarding support to PP.

Sounds like you need a new friend, Joe: real or imaginary.

PP's "supporters" are tight with their generosity. Only 21% of PP's expenses are covered by private donations -- substantially below the norm for a not-for-profit charitable organization. But the old hen network (I love the fact that they cannot grasp why they lack the support of a majority of young women) is certainly loud.

[89Hen]

Whatever. Fetuses don't rights. Deal with it.

Not yet. I'm hoping that changes, so I don't plan to deal with it.

[D1B]

Whatever. Fetuses don't rights. Deal with it.

Not yet. I'm hoping that changes, so I don't plan to deal with it.

Start saving your sperm then.

Deal with god. He performs 50% of all abortions.

[89Hen]

Not yet. I'm hoping that changes, so I don't plan to deal with it.

Start saving your sperm then.

Deal with god. He performs 50% of all abortions.

I don't like your bait.

[D1B]

We'll see.

Funny, your friend, who is undoubtably a world-renowned expert on corporate giving, missed the part about the fact that is was the Komen chapters who raised holy hell regarding the decision, not so much PP. This aside, your friend really said that current PP funders are not already aware of the PR liability or benefits of involvement with PP: essentially that they gave, willy nilly to a charity?

Your friend really thinks this issue is the first for PP. They've been down this road before, many times, and almost all were far more grave than what happened last week.

Since the Komen debacle, PP has recieved millions in new revenue and more important, new supporters. Komen will be reeling from the effects of their cowardess for years. Practically everyone I've talked to is pulling their support, not doing the run this year and many are forwarding support to PP.

Sounds like you need a new friend, Joe: real or imaginary.

PP's "supporters" are tight with their generosity. Only 21% of PP's expenses are covered by private donations -- substantially below the norm for a not-for-profit charitable organization. But the old hen network (I love the fact that they cannot grasp why they lack the support of a majority of young women) is certainly loud.

Apples and oranges. There are a myriad of different charities who have different revenue streams. For instance, your Barbershop Quartet Alumni Fund is 100% funded with private donations. Charities like PP, YWCA, YMCA and others rely far less on private support and more on public grants or endowments.

Are you kidding Joe? Absolutely they grasp why they lack support in certain demographics. We all grasp it. It's people like you, your church and the people they pay to villify abortion and BC providers. This is no secret and this is why people like you and your church are major factors contributing to higher abortion numbers.

[89Hen]

This is no secret and this is why people like you and your church are major factors contributing to higher abortion numbers.

[kalm]

This is no secret and this is why people like you and your church are major factors contributing to higher abortion numbers.

Is the church anti-birth control and real sex education? If so, this is true.

[HI54UNI]

+6.93. I stopped giving to national charities a few years ago after doing some research about how much is going to admin costs. My donations all go to local charities - public library, fire department, etc. Screw these big charities and their bureaucracies.

Thanks both of you for noting part one of the rant. The founder (sister of SGK) founded the charity to "do everything she could to end the disease" - but is now raking in a half-million plus in salary a year - she has skimmed millions off the top since the charity was founded - nice racket.

All that money is probably helping her to ease the pain of losing her sister........

[grizzaholic]

Whatever. Fetuses don't rights. Deal with it.

Not yet. I'm hoping that changes, so I don't plan to deal with it.

[89Hen]

Not yet. I'm hoping that changes, so I don't plan to deal with it.

Really? Sentiment towards abortion is changing right now. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope one day more people will agree that it's not a choice, it's a life.

[grizzaholic]

Really? Sentiment towards abortion is changing right now. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope one day more people will agree that it's not a choice, it's a life.

[89Hen]

Is the church anti-birth control and real sex education? If so, this is true.

Major factors to higher abortion numbers? I think not. People who are so inclined to follow the church so as to not use birth control are in NO WAY going to have an abortion. Think about it, which is a bigger deal, using a condom or aborting a child?

[Ibanez]

Really? Sentiment towards abortion is changing right now. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope one day more people will agree that it's not a choice, it's a life.

It's both.

[89Hen]

Really? Sentiment towards abortion is changing right now. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope one day more people will agree that it's not a choice, it's a life.

What next... ? You're adding a lot here.

[89Hen]

Really? Sentiment towards abortion is changing right now. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope one day more people will agree that it's not a choice, it's a life.

It's both.

That's an interesting take. I'm not sure I've heard many people say that. If you think it's a life, then you must think it's murder. All the pro-choice people I've heard argue this don't agree that it's a life that's being taken.