Obama will win in 2012:

[89Hen]

I don't portray myself any other way. I'm partisan just like everyone else here.

I am the most BALANCED motherfvcker on here, Hen. Speak for yourself, boy!

Balance and you should never be mentioned together in any capacity.

[89Hen]

Everything has to be a fight.

Only since 9/11

[AZGrizFan]

Well, then, why can't you and people like Henski respect that? Not saying you bow down to his mastery on something, just give the guy a nod once in a while, instead of the constant beratement. Just a little positivity from you two would be good once in a while. Everything has to be a fight.

I don't go after TT too often, mostly because I DO respect the fact that he's "in the business"....but that post was just too much to ignore.

"can't really blame either party......BUT I WILL".

[Cap'n Cat]

Z, you know I love ya, friend, but you and Hen aren't even in Twin Town's fvcking league.

One would think you'd vomit from the dizziness of him running around you in political stuff........... You two rubes are the most partisan Conk fvcks on here short of native and CID1990.

This guy works at McDonalds. Are you going to ask him about managing a business?

Bad (and insulting) reach, Hen. So very typical of you. Shit Frank Burns would say...........

[89Hen]

Bad (and insulting) reach, Hen. So very typical of you. Shit Frank Burns would say...........

All I'm saying is that because somebody has worked for the Donk machine does not make them an expert in politics and government. TTBF has many good points during discussions, but he is partisan, just like the rest of us and is full of shit sometimes, just like the rest of us.

[Cap'n Cat]

Well, then, why can't you and people like Henski respect that? Not saying you bow down to his mastery on something, just give the guy a nod once in a while, instead of the constant beratement. Just a little positivity from you two would be good once in a while. Everything has to be a fight.

I don't go after TT too often, mostly because I DO respect the fact that he's "in the business"....but that post was just too much to ignore.

"can't really blame either party......BUT I WILL".

It's all love........................


Me, Hen, You...........

[AZGrizFan]

Bad (and insulting) reach, Hen. So very typical of you. Shit Frank Burns would say...........

All I'm saying is that because somebody has worked for the Donk machine does not make them an expert in politics and government. TTBF has many good points during discussions, but he is partisan, just like the rest of us and is full of shit sometimes, just like the rest of us.

Speak for yourself. I just took a big shit.

And threw my back out in the process....

[Cap'n Cat]

Bad (and insulting) reach, Hen. So very typical of you. Shit Frank Burns would say...........

All I'm saying is that because somebody has worked for the Donk machine does not make them an expert in politics and government. TTBF has many good points during discussions, but he is partisan, just like the rest of us and is full of shit sometimes, just like the rest of us.

Disagree. Though he certainly has demonstrated a left-leaning bent to his personal thoughts on issues, one cannot deny that, when he speaks of the entire system from 30,000 feet (something you and Z and I can't do), he does, more often than not, give very balanced portrayals.

Don't think so? Take some time and go back into his massive archive. My own personal feeling is that you and others here can't stand it when someone is more versed in something dear to your souls. And, of course, unlike very few of us, you'll never admit it and will, instead, lash out.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Well, then, why can't you and people like Henski respect that? Not saying you bow down to his mastery on something, just give the guy a nod once in a while, instead of the constant beratement. Just a little positivity from you two would be good once in a while. Everything has to be a fight.

I don't go after TT too often, mostly because I DO respect the fact that he's "in the business"....but that post was just too much to ignore.

"can't really blame either party......BUT I WILL".

I said you can't really blame either party - and I meant it. While I cite the post 9-11 environment, I said CLEARLY that the blame cannot be laid at the GOP's feet alone.

Case in point - when the Dems lost in 2004, the base never really wound down - and launched right in to the '06 campaign (hell, the '08 campaign too)...

it's hard to say when it started - because it happened slowly over time. there were seminal moments that sparked the change - that's for sure.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

All I'm saying is that because somebody has worked for the Donk machine does not make them an expert in politics and government. TTBF has many good points during discussions, but he is partisan, just like the rest of us and is full of shit sometimes, just like the rest of us.

Disagree. Though he certainly has demonstrated a left-leaning bent to his personal thoughts on issues, one cannot deny that, when he speaks of the entire system from 30,000 feet (something you and Z and I can't do), he does, more often than not, give very balanced portrayals.

Don't think so? Take some time and go back into his massive archive. My own personal feeling is that you and others here can't stand it when someone is more versed in something dear to your souls. And, of course, unlike very few of us, you'll never admit it and will, instead, lash out.

thanks dude - that's always been my intent. i'll get in the pit and argue one way or another, and do so frequently - and in those posts I'm just as full of shit as anyone else on the board - to be sure.

when it comes to those - as you describe them "30,000 feet" things... I'm not posting on those with an agenda - more to provide insight - the same way Z does when he talks about banks vs. credit unions. It's his business, he knows it better than we do. (same with you and fucked up and disgusting porn )

[ODUalum11]

I hope Obama doesn't win....he hasn't done %&^* to create more jobs in the country in the last month.

[BlueHen86]

I hope Obama doesn't win....he hasn't done %&^* to create more jobs in the country in the last month.

There is no guarantee that any candidate has a solution, our current slow economy has spanned administrations under both parties. I don't think either party has the answer. As far as Obama losing the next election, to me it depends on who he is up against. I will vote for Romney or Paul, I will not vote for Perry or Bachman. Not sure about the rest right now.

[ASUG8]

I hope Obama doesn't win....he hasn't done %&^* to create more jobs in the country in the last month.

I noticed today that they revised the jobs created numbers downward for the last three months also, which may mean that our current August breakeven scenario may end up actually being a contraction in a month or so.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I hope Obama doesn't win....he hasn't done %&^* to create more jobs in the country in the last month.

There is no guarantee that any candidate has a solution, our current slow economy has spanned administrations under both parties. I don't think either party has the answer. As far as Obama losing the next election, to me it depends on who he is up against. I will vote for Romney or Paul, I will not vote for Perry or Bachman. Not sure about the rest right now.

I think that's right - the matchup means everything.

[ODUalum11]

I hope Obama doesn't win....he hasn't done %&^* to create more jobs in the country in the last month.

There is no guarantee that any candidate has a solution, our current slow economy has spanned administrations under both parties. I don't think either party has the answer. As far as Obama losing the next election, to me it depends on who he is up against. I will vote for Romney or Paul, I will not vote for Perry or Bachman. Not sure about the rest right now.

very good points Bluehen. It all depends on the match-up. I'll admit I'm not a politcal expert but this last election I was really torn who to vote for and unfortunately I voted for Obama. ...just for the fact of considering McCain's age and who he picked as his running mate for VP.

[BlueHen86]

There is no guarantee that any candidate has a solution, our current slow economy has spanned administrations under both parties. I don't think either party has the answer. As far as Obama losing the next election, to me it depends on who he is up against. I will vote for Romney or Paul, I will not vote for Perry or Bachman. Not sure about the rest right now.

very good points Bluehen. It all depends on the match-up. I'll admit I'm not a politcal expert but this last election I was really torn who to vote for and unfortunately I voted for Obama. ...just for the fact of considering McCain's age and who he picked as his running mate for VP.

I voted for McCain - in spite of his VP choice.

It's too bad McCain didn't win in 2000, by the time he ran in 2008 he wasn't the same "Maverick" that he had been, the fight seemed to have gone out of him.

[blueballs]

I don't go after TT too often, mostly because I DO respect the fact that he's "in the business"....but that post was just too much to ignore.

"can't really blame either party......BUT I WILL".

I said you can't really blame either party - and I meant it. While I cite the post 9-11 environment, I said CLEARLY that the blame cannot be laid at the GOP's feet alone.

Case in point - when the Dems lost in 2004, the base never really wound down - and launched right in to the '06 campaign (hell, the '08 campaign too)...

it's hard to say when it started - because it happened slowly over time. there were seminal moments that sparked the change - that's for sure.

I agree with your points about the bases and the non stop campaigning. The only thing I disagree with is your time frame. This has been going on since the 80's when operatives like Lee Atwater and James Carville changed everything.

[Ivytalk]

very good points Bluehen. It all depends on the match-up. I'll admit I'm not a politcal expert but this last election I was really torn who to vote for and unfortunately I voted for Obama. ...just for the fact of considering McCain's age and who he picked as his running mate for VP.

I voted for McCain - in spite of his VP choice.

It's too bad McCain didn't win in 2000, by the time he ran in 2008 he wasn't the same "Maverick" that he had been, the fight seemed to have gone out of him.

Probably due to Cindy's pre-nup!

[blueballs]

I voted for McCain - in spite of his VP choice.

It's too bad McCain didn't win in 2000, by the time he ran in 2008 he wasn't the same "Maverick" that he had been, the fight seemed to have gone out of him.

Probably due to Cindy's pre-nup!

I dig Cindy in a cougar kind of way. How about a three way with her, Palin, and Bachmann? I'd pay big money to watch that.

[kalm]

No shit. TTBF is as partisan as they come.

You can tell (at least in this post) that he REALLLLLY tried to be non-partisan, but once he got on a roll, he just couldn't help himself. The operative in him comes out and he starts spewing all the same move-on.org talking points that we've heard a million times....

TT is a blue dog corporate lackey. You have to be these days in his line of work.

[YoUDeeMan]

I said you can't really blame either party - and I meant it. While I cite the post 9-11 environment, I said CLEARLY that the blame cannot be laid at the GOP's feet alone.

Case in point - when the Dems lost in 2004, the base never really wound down - and launched right in to the '06 campaign (hell, the '08 campaign too)...

it's hard to say when it started - because it happened slowly over time. there were seminal moments that sparked the change - that's for sure.

I agree with your points about the bases and the non stop campaigning. The only thing I disagree with is your time frame. This has been going on since the 80's when operatives like Lee Atwater and James Carville changed everything.

WHAT?????

You are not allowed to go back further than TT's proclamation that, although he doesn't know when it started, it actually started with Republicans...somewhere during Bush's time, but TT, as stated, doesn't know exactly when. Somewhere in there, though.

TT also used to work at a carnival. He'd have things narrowed down pretty well there, too.

Anything in this general area right in here.
Anything below the stereo and
on this side of the bicentennial glasses.
Anything between the ashtrays
and the thimble.
Anything in this three inches
right in here, in this area.
That includes the Chiclets,
but not the erasers.

Good work, TT!

[houndawg]

I think he gets re-elected.

I think the GOP is too divided right now. Candidates like Romney might not appeal to the "base", candidates like Perry might not appeal to the more moderate voters.

Ron Paul

Ron Paul is great until you see him. Dude is just weird.

[BlueHen86]

Ron Paul

Ron Paul is great until you see him. Dude is just weird.

I think anyone who wants to be President is weird.

No way a sane person takes that job.

[JohnStOnge]

I expect Obama to win in 2012 because the Republicans don't have a good candidate. He's very vulnerable but I think he'll win by default.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't go after TT too often, mostly because I DO respect the fact that he's "in the business"....but that post was just too much to ignore.

"can't really blame either party......BUT I WILL".

I said you can't really blame either party - and I meant it. While I cite the post 9-11 environment, I said CLEARLY that the blame cannot be laid at the GOP's feet alone.

Case in point - when the Dems lost in 2004, the base never really wound down - and launched right in to the '06 campaign (hell, the '08 campaign too)...

it's hard to say when it started - because it happened slowly over time. there were seminal moments that sparked the change - that's for sure.

TT, you said you can't really blame either party, then cited ONLY Republican examples. If you want to come off as "non-partisan", it's really not that difficult. Like I said earlier, it was apparent you TRIED, but rapidly slipped into your "operative" mode as you felt the need to bury the right wing.