Coach's Poll- Sept 27

[siuham]

Difference is, Az, UNI only lost to one FCS team. Montana lost to two.

It's clear you base your poll on recent work rather than overall and that's fine, you just seem to be knocking UNI for losing to an FBS team a bit much. Their overall resume is equal to or better than Montana's, not worse.

[AZGrizFan]

Difference is, Az, UNI only lost to one FCS team. Montana lost to two.

It's clear you base your poll on recent work rather than overall and that's fine, you just seem to be knocking UNI for losing to an FBS team a bit much. Their overall resume is equal to or better than Montana's, not worse.

I'm knocking them for losing two in a row...just like I knocked Montana for losing two in a row.

[DJH]

Honest to God. DJH, you're like that little kid who just keeps stomping his feet until he gets what he wants. You act like I have Montana in the top 5. There are currently SIX spots separating Montana and UNI in my poll. Your team has lost two games in a row. When Montana was in that same position, they WERE NOT IN MY POLL. Christ, they had to WIN to get up to #20. And seriously, if you don't see that after #8-9 in the poll everything else is just a crapshoot then it's YOU who are an idiot, dumbass, retarded motherfucker.

I've never seen anyone who is so hung up on where his team is ranked.

I think I might just keep UNI out of my poll all year just to spite your sorry ass.

Do you ever have anything to say, or do you always just piggy back on others' comments?

[siuham]

I just think you'd be hard pressed to find the majority of people who would knock teams for losing to teams from the FBS. It'd be similar to giving a team a boost for blowing out Bumfark State of the NAIA.

And I was commenting on you saying UNI lost to NDSU. Read your 'fact' post.

[DJH]

Honest to God. DJH, you're like that little kid who just keeps stomping his feet until he gets what he wants. You act like I have Montana in the top 5. There are currently SIX spots separating Montana and UNI in my poll. Your team has lost two games in a row. When Montana was in that same position, they WERE NOT IN MY POLL. Christ, they had to WIN to get up to #20. And seriously, if you don't see that after #8-9 in the poll everything else is just a crapshoot then it's YOU who are an idiot, dumbass, retarded motherfucker.

I've never seen anyone who is so hung up on where his team is ranked.

I think I might just keep UNI out of my poll all year just to spite your sorry ass.

[grizzaholic]

Do you ever have anything to say, or do you always just piggy back on others' comments?

It took me over 10,000 posts to get something right. I wouldn't want to throw off the average and get something right again within a week.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Difference is, Az, UNI only lost to one FCS team. Montana lost to two.

It's clear you base your poll on recent work rather than overall and that's fine, you just seem to be knocking UNI for losing to an FBS team a bit much. Their overall resume is equal to or better than Montana's, not worse.

ham, all recent work at this point is also considered overall work. I had UNI in my poll but I could see how someone could have them out right now. I could also see how people had UM out last week as clenz did because we had dropped two in a row. I give a little weight to losing to Iowa State but not a whole lot because of what NDSU and UNI in particular have done to them in the last few years. They just aren't a good FBS squad and the blanking of UNI might give a guy a reason to say wtf?

[SuperHornet]

2010 FCS Coaches Week 4 Poll (September 27, 2010)
Team (No. 1 Votes) Record Points Last Week
1. Appalachian State (16) 4-0 681 1
2. Villanova (6) 3-1 666 2
3. James Madison (3) 4-0 651 3
4. Jacksonville State (1) 4-0 607 4
5. Delaware (1) 4-0 593 6
6. Stephen F. Austin (1) 3-1 573 7
7. William & Mary 3-1 489 8
8. Massachusetts 3-1 472 9
9. South Carolina State 2-1 417 12
10. Montana State 3-1 405 16
11. Montana 2-2 368 14
12. Richmond 1-2 357 5
13. North Dakota State 3-1 333 T18
14. Cal-Poly 3-1 301 22
15. New Hampshire 2-2 285 T18
16. Georgia Southern 3-1 270 24
17. Eastern Washington 2-2 231 10
18. Texas State 3-1 215 23
19. Illinois State 3-1 171 25
20. Youngstown State 3-1 146 NR
21. Elon 1-3 120 11
22. Northern Iowa 1-2 116 15
T23. Furman 2-1 78 NR
T23. Southern Illinois 1-3 78 13
25. Central Arkansas 3-1 71 NR

Others receiving votes (points in parentheses): Liberty (58), Northern Arizona (54), McNeese State (53), Western Illinois (50), Alabama State (35), Southeast Missouri State (34), Penn (27), South Dakota (27), Wofford (17), South Dakota State (10), Grambling (10), Morgan State (7), Weber State (7), Brown (6), Jacksonville (4), Sacramento State (3), Harvard (2), Missouri State (2), Arkansas-Pine Bluff (1), Robert Morris (1)

[siuham]

Yes, ursus, four weeks in should make recent and overall equal, but obviously Az is basing off the last two weeks.

[aceinthehole]

Morgan State gets 7 votes? They are 2-2 with wins vs D-II Bowie and awful Howard.

Yet RMU (3-1) with a win over previous #15 Liberty, a Big South favorite, gets just 1 vote?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Yes, ursus, four weeks in should make recent and overall equal, but obviously Az is basing off the last two weeks.

I ain't hackin on UNI but they've won one game at home against a pretty decent team and lost two straight. I'm just saying that isn't that egregious to have them out right now just like it wasn't egregious for clenz to have MT out of his 25 last week.

[siuham]

Yes, ursus, four weeks in should make recent and overall equal, but obviously Az is basing off the last two weeks.

I ain't hackin on UNI but they've won one game at home against a pretty decent team and lost two straight. I'm just saying that isn't that egregious to have them out right now just like it wasn't egregious for clenz to have MT out of his 25 last week.

Not saying it's crazy to have them out, but the manner in which AZ is trying to reason it is just strange.

Oh, and SFA wasn't top 10 in week 3, but they were #11...

[lakesbison]

NDSU should be about #5. 1 bad game where we had a drive to win it at end is all we have against us.


dominate a big 12 team defensively., lost to uni on last drive who was ranked and DOMINATED a ranked team that beat a big 10 team.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

NDSU should be about #5. 1 bad game where we had a drive to win it at end is all we have against us.


dominate a big 12 team defensively., lost to uni on last drive who was ranked and DOMINATED a ranked team that beat a big 10 team.

Sure thing slick.

[89Hen]

Teams should be ranked according to how they have performed SO FAR THIS YEAR and should have very little to do with what their injury situation is, how good they will be by the end of the year, how good they were last year, how many National Championships they've won, their reputation, how many players they send to the NFL, where their cheerleading squad ranks or how big their stadium is...it should be performance based on the results of this years games only. That's why the polls up until week 5 or 6 are rather lame at best and sometimes laughable at worst.

Nice to have a playoff.......

Agreed on the last statement, but they are never really accurate. At this point in the season, you MUST use more info than just the games played (ie - how good they were last year, how many players are returning, etc...). There's simply not enough data on the limited number of games played. Look at the stats I gave for NAU in the other thread. They've had good records the last 5 years halfway through the season only to see them finish .500 or worse. I will say it one more time... those that choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

[DSUrocks07]

Its not an issue for most. There is only one idiot here that cannot comprehend the facts.

Fact: We are entering week 5 of the season
Fact: UNI is a 1-win team.
Fact: UNI hasn't won a game since 9/11
Fact: UNI has lost two straight games
Fact: NDSU wasn't top 10 when they beat UNI
Fact: Montana's losses were on the road, UNI's only victory was at home
Fact: UNI lost to SFA at HOME
Fact: I had UNI at #26 in my poll this week

You stay classy, DJH.

Would you quit crying if I promise to put UNI in my top 25 if they win next week? Probably not.

[Cap'n Cat]

Honest to God. DJH, you're like that little kid who just keeps stomping his feet until he gets what he wants. You act like I have Montana in the top 5. There are currently SIX spots separating Montana and UNI in my poll. Your team has lost two games in a row. When Montana was in that same position, they WERE NOT IN MY POLL. Christ, they had to WIN to get up to #20. And seriously, if you don't see that after #8-9 in the poll everything else is just a crapshoot then it's YOU who are an idiot, dumbass, retarded motherfucker.

I've never seen anyone who is so hung up on where his team is ranked.

I think I might just keep UNI out of my poll all year just to spite your sorry ass.

Hey, Z, you got rolled in this thread because of your tart tongue. They're right about UNI.

Play nice, now.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, ursus, four weeks in should make recent and overall equal, but obviously Az is basing off the last two weeks.

I ain't hackin on UNI but they've won one game at home against a pretty decent team and lost two straight. I'm just saying that isn't that egregious to have them out right now just like it wasn't egregious for clenz to have MT out of his 25 last week.

There were decent as in FBS and a highly ranked FCS team. I put UNI in the mid teens.

[AZGrizFan]

Honest to God. DJH, you're like that little kid who just keeps stomping his feet until he gets what he wants. You act like I have Montana in the top 5. There are currently SIX spots separating Montana and UNI in my poll. Your team has lost two games in a row. When Montana was in that same position, they WERE NOT IN MY POLL. Christ, they had to WIN to get up to #20. And seriously, if you don't see that after #8-9 in the poll everything else is just a crapshoot then it's YOU who are an idiot, dumbass, retarded motherfucker.

I've never seen anyone who is so hung up on where his team is ranked.

I think I might just keep UNI out of my poll all year just to spite your sorry ass.

Hey, Z, you got rolled in this thread because of your tart tongue. They're right about UNI.

Play nice, now.

Really? You might want to go back and reread to determine who has the "tart" tongue. It's your butt-buddy, DJH casting dispersions and calling people names. I merely expressed an opinion.

And time will tell about UNI.

[AZGrizFan]

I ain't hackin on UNI but they've won one game at home against a pretty decent team and lost two straight. I'm just saying that isn't that egregious to have them out right now just like it wasn't egregious for clenz to have MT out of his 25 last week.

Not saying it's crazy to have them out, but the manner in which AZ is trying to reason it is just strange.

Oh, and SFA wasn't top 10 in week 3, but they were #11...

Which manner is that? That 2 weeks ago I had them at #11 and after 2 straight losses (yes, one against an FBS team, but one at HOME against a Southland team they should have beaten) I feel there are 25 better teams than them?

I find it hilarious that people are concerned whether I have UNI ranked 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. They REALLY ought to be concerned about UNI actually winning some fucking football games.

[AZGrizFan]

Teams should be ranked according to how they have performed SO FAR THIS YEAR and should have very little to do with what their injury situation is, how good they will be by the end of the year, how good they were last year, how many National Championships they've won, their reputation, how many players they send to the NFL, where their cheerleading squad ranks or how big their stadium is...it should be performance based on the results of this years games only. That's why the polls up until week 5 or 6 are rather lame at best and sometimes laughable at worst.

Nice to have a playoff.......

Agreed on the last statement, but they are never really accurate. At this point in the season, you MUST use more info than just the games played (ie - how good they were last year, how many players are returning, etc...). There's simply not enough data on the limited number of games played. Look at the stats I gave for NAU in the other thread. They've had good records the last 5 years halfway through the season only to see them finish .500 or worse. I will say it one more time... those that choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Yeah. That's why Montana went from #1 to out of my poll in 3 weeks.

[DJH]

Not saying it's crazy to have them out, but the manner in which AZ is trying to reason it is just strange.

Oh, and SFA wasn't top 10 in week 3, but they were #11...

Which manner is that? That 2 weeks ago I had them at #11 and after 2 straight losses (yes, one against an FBS team, but one at HOME against a Southland team they should have beaten) I feel there are 25 better teams than them?

I find it hilarious that people are concerned whether I have UNI ranked 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. They REALLY ought to be concerned about UNI actually winning some fucking football games.

This isn't about where UNI is ranked or how many games they will win this year. The argument is about WHY you don't have them ranked, and WHY you have certain other teams ranked instead, despite the results.

[AZGrizFan]

Which manner is that? That 2 weeks ago I had them at #11 and after 2 straight losses (yes, one against an FBS team, but one at HOME against a Southland team they should have beaten) I feel there are 25 better teams than them?

I find it hilarious that people are concerned whether I have UNI ranked 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. They REALLY ought to be concerned about UNI actually winning some fucking football games.

This isn't about where UNI is ranked or how many games they will win this year. The argument is about WHY you don't have them ranked, and WHY you have certain other teams ranked instead, despite the results.

I don't have them ranked because they haven't won a football game in 3 weeks. And Montana JUST came BACK into my poll after winning a football game last weekend. Is that simple enough for you?

[clenz]

This isn't about where UNI is ranked or how many games they will win this year. The argument is about WHY you don't have them ranked, and WHY you have certain other teams ranked instead, despite the results.

I don't have them ranked because they haven't won a football game in 3 weeks. And Montana JUST came BACK into my poll after winning a football game last weekend. Is that simple enough for you?

So...let's say that UNI had a bye week instead of playing Iowa State, and had played Iowa State to open the season rather than having a bye.

Would you have dropped UNI out of the poll going L-W-L-B because they still haven't won a game in three weeks?

[Gil Dobie]

I don't have them ranked because they haven't won a football game in 3 weeks. And Montana JUST came BACK into my poll after winning a football game last weekend. Is that simple enough for you?

So...let's say that UNI had a bye week instead of playing Iowa State, and had played Iowa State to open the season rather than having a bye.

Would you have dropped UNI out of the poll going L-W-L-B because they still haven't won a game in three weeks?

None of this really matters anyway, the teams will settle it on the field. If you want to argue polls, move up to FBS.