Catholic Church and having babies

[JoltinJoe]

Following up on Andy's thoughts, let me add this. The issue of couples, particularly young couples, who are not having children and using birth control is NOT a novel issue in American Catholicism. Pastors are aware of the issue.

Many parishes offer "young couples" groups which confront this very challenge, among other challenges, faced by young married couples. Couples who are resistant to having children are not pressured to have children under threats of being removed from the church. They are encouraged to re-think their position with respect to birth control and adopt natural family planning.

Priests, however, readily respect and accept that a young couple may not want to have children, but priests encourage them to be open to the prospect of having children in the future, i.e., perhaps their statement that they do not want children means only that they are not ready to have children. The idea is that they may and probably will feel differently in the future.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (headed by Cardinal George no less) has published texts which are to be used by parish "young couples" groups and it is consistent with what I stated above. Couples who do not want to have children are encouraged to stay with the Church and to be open in the future to having children.

So the whole story has a ring of non-authenticity for these reasons too.

[D1B]

I get what's going on here. Its easier to attack the semantics and in-correct use of terminology than it is to just answer the question. Deflection is a classic defense mechanism around here. The longer you can deflect, the longer you can go without answering any real questions about real issues.

Liar Joe's MO from day one. Dude can't explain the absurdity of his church and religion, so he argues spelling, grammer and semantics. Trust me, this thread will end with Liar Joe arguing the existence of god using principles found not in christianity but in eastern mysticism - it's all he can do.


The catholic church is a fucking joke.

[D1B]

Following up on Andy's thoughts, let me add this. The issue of couples, particularly young couples, who are not having children and using birth control is NOT a novel issue in American Catholicism. Pastors are aware of the issue.

Many parishes offer "young couples" groups which confront this very challenge, among other challenges, faced by young married couples. Couples who are resistant to having children are not pressured to have children under threats of being removed from the church. They are encouraged to re-think their position with respect to birth control and adopt natural family planning.

Priests, however, readily respect and accept that a young couple may not want to have children, but priests encourage them to be open to the prospect of having children in the future, i.e., perhaps their statement that they do not want children means only that they are not ready to have children. The idea is that they may and probably will feel differently in the future.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (headed by Cardinal George no less) has published texts which are to be used by parish "young couples" groups and it is consistent with what I stated above. Couples who do not want to have children are encouraged to stay with the Church and to be open in the future to having children.

So the whole story has a ring of non-authenticity for these reasons too.

Nice cult doucebag.

[D1B]

The way this claim unraveled so comically was rare even for the nonsense which gets asserted about Catholicism here.

It wasn't just a bishop doing this, but an archbishop; but because this is Chicago, that's not just an archbishop there, but one of only six American bishops who is a Cardinal; and not just any one of those six Cardinals, but Cardinal Francis George, the most noteworthy and significant of the American Cardinals -- a theologian of world-wide renown and the face of American Catholicism to the world.

So Cardinal Francis George is personally excommunicating OSBF's newphew and his very hot young wife with a killer body.

Hysterical.

OK...six bishops in US...Cardinal George is one of them....very noteworthy & significant....cannot be bothered with excommunicating little people....JJ knows his Catholicism....got it, JJ...Francis George rocks the congregation....

Ask Liar Joe about what they wear. He's an expert.

[D1B]

I don't often stick up for OB, but it's clear he never said the Cardinal was the one doing this.

cuz Joe is a liar.

[D1B]

Are you really so dense that you can't follow this?

(PS -- Priests do not have ecclesiastical authority to excommunicate anyone, so even your revised story is silly too.)

Joe, this shit is precisely why no one, I repeat no one, likes nor respects you here. Again, get over yourself, you aint in court, asshole.

[D1B]

(PS -- Priests do not have ecclesiastical authority to excommunicate anyone, so even your revised story is silly too.)

Joe, this shit is precisely why no one, I repeat no one, likes nor respects you here. Again, get over yourself, you aint in court, asshole.

*It's also the reason, most likely, why you got your ass kicked as a schoolkid - arrogant smartass.

[JoltinJoe]

Whoa, D1B is here.

More bullshit to come.

Whacko nut job ... get a life.

[andy7171]

D1B,
is OSBF's nephew being harassed by a Catholic Cardinal?

[YoUDeeMan]

D1B,
is OSBF's nephew being harassed by a Catholic Cardinal?

Who cares? Where are the pics of the hot chick?

And Andy, sometimes I worry about you...you referred to them as a "hot couple". Who cares what he looks like?

Appaholic - thanks for the picture of the catholic dude...looks as though he harbors some anger.

[JoltinJoe]

Joe, this **** is precisely why no one, I repeat no one, likes nor respects you here. Again, get over yourself, you aint in court, *******.

*It's also the reason, most likely, why you got your ass kicked as a schoolkid - arrogant smartass.

Sorry to disappoint you. In fact, I have more active friends from grammar school/high school --- people that I actually see today and keep in contact with -- than you ever had. And the same is true for college too.

[D1B]

Whoa, D1B is here.

More bullshit to come.

Whacko nut job ... get a life.

Get a life? I aint studying what priests wear you whackjob fetishist.

[D1B]

*It's also the reason, most likely, why you got your ass kicked as a schoolkid - arrogant smartass.

Sorry to disappoint you. In fact, I have more active friends from grammar school/high school --- people that I actually see today and keep in contact with -- than you ever had. And the same is true for college too.

Counting?

Again, another reason why you got your ass kicked in gradeschool.

[andy7171]

D1B,
is OSBF's nephew being harassed by a Catholic Cardinal?

Who cares? Where are the pics of the hot chick?

And Andy, sometimes I worry about you...you referred to them as a "hot couple". Who cares what he looks like?

Appaholic - thanks for the picture of the catholic dude...looks as though he harbors some anger.

I'll adress this like OSBF...

I NEVER SAID HOT COUPLE> YOU MADE THAT UP! LIAR! I WIN!!!

[andy7171]

is OSBF's nephew being harassed by a Catholic Cardinal?

[D1B]

Who cares? Where are the pics of the hot chick?

And Andy, sometimes I worry about you...you referred to them as a "hot couple". Who cares what he looks like?

Appaholic - thanks for the picture of the catholic dude...looks as though he harbors some anger.

I'll adress this like OSBF...

I NEVER SAID HOT COUPLE> YOU MADE THAT UP! LIAR! I WIN!!!

Classic Liar Joe reply!

Andy = Baby Liar Joe

[andy7171]

I NEVER SAID HOT COUPLE, PROVE IT!!!!

[JoltinJoe]

Sorry to disappoint you. In fact, I have more active friends from grammar school/high school --- people that I actually see today and keep in contact with -- than you ever had. And the same is true for college too.

Counting?

Again, another reason why you got your ass kicked in gradeschool.

Sorry to disappoint you ... never happened. But your fixation on what happened in grade school and high school is pretty sad. It's like that Bruce Springsteen song. You used to think you were cool because you played football. Now you're just some bitter old ex-jock guy who tells big lies on the internet.

[andy7171]

Classic Liar Joe reply!

Andy = Baby Liar Joe

Andy7171 = M-16
D1B = broken vending machine

[89Hen]

no one, likes nor respects you here.

Takes one to know one.

[D1B]

Counting?

Again, another reason why you got your ass kicked in gradeschool.

Sorry to disappoint you ... never happened. But your fixation on what happened in grade school and high school is pretty sad. It's like that Bruce Springsteen song. You used to think you were cool because you played football. Now you're just some bitter old ex-jock guy who tells big lies on the internet.

Not a fixation. You admitted being bullied in another thread recently. Fact.

I'm pointing out your shortcomings, like, counting, arrogance and lying. People hate that shit and it's plausible it had something to do with you getting your ass kicked in gradeschool.

[JoltinJoe]

Sorry to disappoint you ... never happened. But your fixation on what happened in grade school and high school is pretty sad. It's like that Bruce Springsteen song. You used to think you were cool because you played football. Now you're just some bitter old ex-jock guy who tells big lies on the internet.

Not a fixation. You admitted being bullied in another thread recently. Fact.

I'm pointing out your shortcomings, like, counting, arrogance and lying. People hate that **** and it's plausible it had something to do with you getting your ass kicked in gradeschool.

I was hardly bullied when I was a kid. I mentioned one kid who was two years older than me who was giving me a hard time, and I just jumped him. He was bigger than me and was able to pin me twice, but I was able to draw blood from his nose, and he left me alone after that. This happened when I was in 5th grade. That hardly constitutes a life-time of being bullied.

You want to create some cartoon character of me. You say shot like I'm arrogant, or I lie, etc. All because you have some hard-on for Catholicism.

Fact is, I've always been well-liked and have managed to keep close friends, to this date, since my grammar school days, high school days, baseball teams, college, and law school. In high school, I figured out that almost everyone was a little unsure of where they stood on the social strata -- even the kids who seemed to have the world by the balls. So I would always do small things to let someone know that they were cool by me and if someone else thought they were worthless because they were a burnout, or a geek, or a dumb jock, it wasn't me. I was cool with your because you were my classmate. I took blame for other kids when I didn't have to; took the heat when I knew who did something, and wouldn't tell. Our Vice Principal had me in detention one week for several days because this teacher knew I saw something and wouldn't say what happened. He finally asked me why I wouldn't just give up the information, and I said it wasn't my job to discipline anyone, or assist him in doing it. He told me I was doing the right thing and sent me home.

So you ought to just lay off, because I'm cool with you too. You know, you used to be a much more thoughtful poster, with some interesting comments (although not necessarily correct, IMO), but now you've just become some crazed fringe internet nut who repeats the most obviously false statements. Honestly, this board has become tedious in its pointless repetition and frivolity. You could once have an intelligent discussion here on many subjects, and you were a key contributor.

[D1B]

Not a fixation. You admitted being bullied in another thread recently. Fact.

I'm pointing out your shortcomings, like, counting, arrogance and lying. People hate that **** and it's plausible it had something to do with you getting your ass kicked in gradeschool.

I was hardly bullied when I was a kid. I mentioned one kid who was two years older than me who was giving me a hard time, and I just jumped him. He was bigger than me and was able to pin me twice, but I was able to draw blood from his nose, and he left me alone after that. This happened when I was in 5th grade. That hardly constitutes a life-time of being bullied.

You want to create some cartoon character of me. You say shot like I'm arrogant, or I lie, etc. All because you have some hard-on for Catholicism.

Fact is, I've always been well-liked and have managed to keep close friends, to this date, since my grammar school days, high school days, baseball teams, college, and law school. In high school, I figured out that almost everyone was a little unsure of where they stood on the social strata -- even the kids who seemed to have the world by the balls. So I would always do small things to let someone know that they were cool by me and if someone else thought they were worthless because they were a burnout, or a geek, or a dumb jock, it wasn't me. I was cool with your because you were my classmate. I took blame for other kids when I didn't have to; took the heat when I knew who did something, and wouldn't tell. Our Vice President had me in detention one week for several days because this teacher knew I saw something and wouldn't say what happened. He finally asked me why I wouldn't just give up the information, and I said it wasn't my job to discipline anyone, or assist him in doing it. He told me I was doing the right thing and sent me home.

So you ought to just lay off, because I'm cool with you too. You know, you used to be a much more thoughtful poster, with some interesting comments (although not necessarily correct, IMO), but now you've just become some crazed fringe internet nut who repeats the most obviously false statements. Honestly, this board has become tedious in its pointless repetition and frivolity. You could once have an intelligent discussion here on many subjects, and you were a key contributor.

Crazed my ass. I'm a beacon of truth.

They may be false statements to you, but that sure as hell don't mean they is false. Shit, you believe in ghosts and shit, what kind of authority are you?

[Cap'n Cat]

E N O U G H !

[YoUDeeMan]

I NEVER SAID HOT COUPLE, PROVE IT!!!!

OK, I'll play along...

This story is a sham. If true, it is of my opinion, as stated early on, that this priest should be excommunicated, not the hot couple.