JohnStOnge wrote:I like arguments when their overly simplified like this above...
How about this - what was Israel before it was Israel..?
1) Well right before it was called Palestine (or British Mandate Palestine)
2) The previous 500 years it was part of Turkey (Ottoman Empire)
But of course England screwed this all up by deciding for everybody what was best, instead of letting the peoples who had controlled and lived their since the dawn of time decide what to do...
but I guess it's easier to just start from 1948 till now and pretend like that's as far back as time goes...
If we wanted to we could go back 5,000 or 10,000 years and talk about who lived there at the time. None of it changes the current reality: The aggressors are the Muslims. If the Muslims would leave the Israelis alone the Israelis would leave the Muslims alone. The opposite is not the case. In today's context, the Muslims are the aggressors. There is absolutely no question about that.
Wouldn't it be awesome if everybody put down their guns everywhere John...
All I'm suggesting is the WRONG people decided who gets what and where in this situation and that's why we have a long standing probably never to be resolved issue - because the wrong people got involved
and amazing as it might seem - some people are still really angry about it...
And it's (for sure) not for a bunch pompous Americans sitting on their sofa's with a fat federal government who fucks up everything it touches internationally to be deciding or defending either...
That's all I'm saying - every time I hear an American tell me what the Palestinians ought to do I feel sick - how the fuck would we know how they feel, we killed 95% of the people who lived here - we enslaved millions - we've knowingly bombed civilians countless times in countless invasions...
And as a reasonable response to the ONE time we got attacked on our soil we killed over 100,000 people who had nothing to do with anything
so I really don't give a sh!t what some guy in Florida thinks the Palestinians out to do...

but thanks anyway

God bless us all...