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Re: When Communism comes to America..

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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:44 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 9:45 am

:lol:
Still waiting... :coffee:
True democratic socialist countries do not exist. The term is adjacent to if not interchanged with social democracies. The theoretical difference is using regulated capitalism to fund a social programs in a state vs. an ultimate goal of rejecting capitalism in the evolution from socialism to communism. This also has never occurred.

The important takeaway (which I’ve said for years on here) is that all economically prosperous countries have a mixed economy. Including the U.S. at its economic peak.
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Re: When Communism comes to America..

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kalm wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:14 am
Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:44 am
Still waiting... :coffee:
True democratic socialist countries do not exist. The term is adjacent to if not interchanged with social democracies. The theoretical difference is using regulated capitalism to fund a social programs in a state vs. an ultimate goal of rejecting capitalism in the evolution from socialism to communism. This also has never occurred.

The important takeaway (which I’ve said for years on here) is that all economically prosperous countries have a mixed economy. Including the U.S. at its economic peak.
The people who think social democracies and democratic socialists are adjacent or even interchangeable are the people who have no clue what either are. While both have broad, generalized goals that are similar, the two couldn't be more different from a functional standpoint.

When Bernie made his infamous statement on that Univision debate in 2016 saying that when he talks about democratic socialism, he's talking about the type of socialism in Denmark and Sweden and not the type of socialism in Venezuela and Cuba. It took the Danish PM about 20 seconds to go on TV to give Bernie a body check and say that Denmark isn't a socialist country; democratic socialist or otherwise.

The overarching goal of democratic socialists is to eradicate capitalism. Social democracies have highly functioning market driven economies and are only able to exist and function because of capitalism. There isn't anything adjacent or interchangeable about that whatsoever.
It's as simple as...Democratic socialists are vehemently anti-capitalism. Social democracies only exist because of capitalism.
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again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:17 pm again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal
Why don’t you come to the Nyc DMV with me?

Legal or illegal one thing is true …. they all look like Klamdami

By the way, the NY DMV doesn’t care if they’re legal or not…
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:17 pm again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal
Ok. US Census says 2025 50 million foreign born, with population clock 343 million (there are also estimates closer to 350 million). So ballpark foreign born is about 14% of US population.

Yet 40% of NYC housing rental units are occupied by foreign born, many of whom are illegal. They don’t have a housing shortage. They have a foreign born problem.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Legal or illegal one thing is true …. they all look like Klamdami
Thanks for making it clear what's important to you.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:47 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:17 pm again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal
Ok. US Census says 2025 50 million foreign born, with population clock 343 million (there are also estimates closer to 350 million). So ballpark foreign born is about 14% of US population.
So, then you cite the US as a whole? Do you think NYC has a larger or smaller percentage of legal US residents than the country as a whole?

NYC is the "City of Immigrants" and has millions of legal immigrants.
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:47 pm They have a foreign born problem.
Thanks for making it clear that it is foreigners, whether legal or not, that irks you.
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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 9:03 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Legal or illegal one thing is true …. they all look like Klamdami
Thanks for making it clear what's important to you.
Nothing is clear to you because you don’t get it

It’s just a fact that the demographics of NYC has noticeably changed over the past 15 years or so …

and it’s ok to talk about it
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A grotesque homeless encampment continues to expand on Manhattan’s West Side and now covers 12 city blocks with theft, drugs and prostitution flourishing in broad daylight, The Post has learned.

12 blocks …. The New and not improved NYC

Dozens of tents and makeshift shelters now extend from 34th Street to 46th Street along 11th Avenue, a worrisome eyesore for local workers and residents as well as tourists lining up to visit the popular Intrepid Museum — with City Hall turning a blind eye and NYPD cops standing down because of a new policy.

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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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kalm wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2026 7:16 am When MAGA and progressives want many of the same things...

I have liberal friends that think populism on a global scale is only represented by the far right. But movements come and go.

True populism transcends party and the political spectrum. It is said that independents decide elections. I’d also in include low information voters and late deciders who are often working class and lack the time to research candidates or have become apathetic. This diminishes party loyalty (not a bad thing) and makes marketing, advertising, and money key factors rather than which candidates or parties actually deliver. Selling “Hope and change” (Obama) or Making America Great Again can swing these undecideds from cycle to cycle. Marketing and campaigning matter more than delivering on promises and good governance.

When both parties are controlled by the same monied interests, each election becomes an exercise in holding your nose and hoping that even a small amount of campaign promises are kept.

Democratic primary elections, in particular, are showing us America is both in the midst of a deep crisis and is on the verge of what could be transformational, positive, life-altering political and economic change comparable to FDR’s New Deal.

It became obvious, really, in the first minute of New Year’s Day this year, when two things happened at once vividly showing us all the contrast and the crises around where America stands right now.

In a long-abandoned subway station deep under lower Manhattan, progressive Democrat Zohran Mamdani was sworn in as mayor of New York City, largely on the simple promise that New York could once again become “a city we can afford.”

And at that very same midnight — because Republicans refused to extend them — the enhanced Obamacare subsidies expired for more than twenty million Americans, jacking their health insurance prices overnight into stratospheric amounts that are now pushing families to skip pills, skip meals, and skip the doctor entirely.

One honest man took office swearing that he’d help ordinary people afford to live, and at that same moment, millions of working class people lost the ability to afford their insurance because Republican politicians consistently put their morbidly rich individual and corporate donors above all else.
Even Newsweek, no one’s idea of a radical rag, noticed the thing our media generally misses: the same cost-of-living fury that carried Donald Trump back into the White House in 2024 was the same fury Mamdani rode to City Hall a year later.
When Louise and I lived in a boat in a marina in Washington, DC back during the 2016 election year, we knew quite a few people retired from the Navy and Coast Guard who generally called themselves Republicans, but were split between Trump and Bernie for their vote. Why? Because both were promising real, meaningful change.

I’ve told you before about my dad. Carl came home from the Second World War, finally got a good union job in a tool-and-die shop in Lansing, and on that one paycheck he raised us four boys, bought a house, put a new car in the driveway every couple of years, sent us toward college, took my mom on vacation, and retired with a pension that let the two of them travel the world.

That wasn’t wealth: that was the ordinary American middle class, and in 1981 — the year Reagan decided to destroy our unions, cut those “socialist benefits,” and freeze the minimum wage — two-thirds of us Americans lived in that middle class on a single income. Today it’s closer to only 40 percent of us, and it takes two full paychecks to reach what one paycheck used to buy.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartm ... medium=ios
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Baldy wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 8:52 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2026 7:16 am When MAGA and progressives want many of the same things...

I have liberal friends that think populism on a global scale is only represented by the far right. But movements come and go.

True populism transcends party and the political spectrum. It is said that independents decide elections. I’d also in include low information voters and late deciders who are often working class and lack the time to research candidates or have become apathetic. This diminishes party loyalty (not a bad thing) and makes marketing, advertising, and money key factors rather than which candidates or parties actually deliver. Selling “Hope and change” (Obama) or Making America Great Again can swing these undecideds from cycle to cycle. Marketing and campaigning matter more than delivering on promises and good governance.

When both parties are controlled by the same monied interests, each election becomes an exercise in holding your nose and hoping that even a small amount of campaign promises are kept.




https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartm ... medium=ios
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
What’s wrong with that?

Id like to know
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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Baldy wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 8:52 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2026 7:16 am When MAGA and progressives want many of the same things...

I have liberal friends that think populism on a global scale is only represented by the far right. But movements come and go.

True populism transcends party and the political spectrum. It is said that independents decide elections. I’d also in include low information voters and late deciders who are often working class and lack the time to research candidates or have become apathetic. This diminishes party loyalty (not a bad thing) and makes marketing, advertising, and money key factors rather than which candidates or parties actually deliver. Selling “Hope and change” (Obama) or Making America Great Again can swing these undecideds from cycle to cycle. Marketing and campaigning matter more than delivering on promises and good governance.

When both parties are controlled by the same monied interests, each election becomes an exercise in holding your nose and hoping that even a small amount of campaign promises are kept.

https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartm ... medium=ios
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
Is it trash? While kalm, the substack author (and you) have taken some liberties there is also truth to what each of you said.

kalm is correct that "populism transcends party and the political spectrum". trump and Mandani both appeal to working-class voters who feel economically left behind.

The Substack author makes some accurate observations about affordability and voter frustration but weakens the argument by exaggerating statistics and attributing broad economic changes too heavily to Reagan.

You correctly challenge some questionable claims, particularly regarding middle-class statistics and the growth of upper-income households, but seem to downplay genuine long-term affordability challenges and increasing inequality. Also, many American families were living on a single income prior to WW II, how much they made, what they could afford and what they did to stretch their dollars changed after WW II. Should that be dismissed as an anomaly or is it possible that it could be that way moving forward?
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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Baldy wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 8:52 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2026 7:16 am When MAGA and progressives want many of the same things...

I have liberal friends that think populism on a global scale is only represented by the far right. But movements come and go.

True populism transcends party and the political spectrum. It is said that independents decide elections. I’d also in include low information voters and late deciders who are often working class and lack the time to research candidates or have become apathetic. This diminishes party loyalty (not a bad thing) and makes marketing, advertising, and money key factors rather than which candidates or parties actually deliver. Selling “Hope and change” (Obama) or Making America Great Again can swing these undecideds from cycle to cycle. Marketing and campaigning matter more than delivering on promises and good governance.

When both parties are controlled by the same monied interests, each election becomes an exercise in holding your nose and hoping that even a small amount of campaign promises are kept.




https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartm ... medium=ios
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:26 pm
Baldy wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 8:52 am
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:26 pm
Baldy wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 8:52 am
This is such trash. It's amazing how this guy and Heather Cox-Richardson are able to garner such large grossly uninformed audiences.

While not quite a myth, the claim that middle class Americans could comfortably live on a single income was an anomaly created by the post WWII economic boom. It was a brief and artificial time in our history. Living 'comfortably' is relative when you compare it to today. Living comfortably in this time meant surviving with much less. One car, one phone, one TV, and a house that averaged about 1,000 sq. ft. (just to name a few). Just imagine how many families could "live off one income" today if those were still the metrics.

Another outright lie in this "article" is the author's claim that the middle class has been shrinking since 1981. He claims 2/3 of Americans were middle class then. Not very accurate. The actual number is 59%. He is also claiming that the middle class now is "closer to only 40%". The fact is 51% of households are considered middle class. An actual 8% drop.

However, this author failed to mention the undeniable explosion of the upper middle class. In 1981, only 10% of households were considered upper middle class. Today, over 1/3 (31%) of households are considered upper middle class. Upward mobility in action...

This guy should be ashamed of himself. :ohno:
1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:08 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:26 pm

1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
And most of that shit is made in China. Americans not buying it means they’d have to close shop in China .
Is most of it still made in China? Or is it made in Vietnam, Malaysia, India, etc?

I know you don't give a sh!t but trade has played a vital role in making the world more peaceful which anyone who is truly pro-life should support.
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NY sees dramatic exodus of millionaires — causing nearly $11B loss in tax revenue: study

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New York’s share of US millionaires dramatically declined in recent years, causing a nearly $11 billion loss in much-needed tax revenue in just one year, according to a bombshell new analysis.

The study released Monday by the Citizen Budget Commisison comes amid fears that socialist Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s push to “tax the rich” will drive even more wealthy taxpayers and their businesses out of New York City.

Even before Mamdani took office, the Empire State’s share of the nation’s millionaires dipped from 12.7% to 8.7% between 2010 and 2022 – the largest decline of any state, according to the CBC’s Competitive NYS: Value Proposition Tracker dashboard.

“New York’s declining share of high-income taxpayers has meaningful consequences,” the analysis states.

“Had New York maintained its share of the nation’s millionaires over the past decade, personal income tax collections would have been substantially higher – roughly $10.7 billion more in tax year 2022.”

Many experts and business leaders warned Mamdani’s stick-it-to-the-rich policy dreams – and their growing success among Albany lawmakers – could supercharge the drip-drip of wealthy people.

Gov. Kathy Hochul has firmly opposed an outright hike on the wealthy this year — as she seeks re-election in November — but backed a so-called pied-à-terre tax on luxury second homes in New York City….

Mamdani gleefully gloated about the tax in a social media video filmed outside billionaire Ken Griffin’s $238 million Manhattan penthouse – a stunt that infuriated the hedge fund titan and prompted him to threaten pulling a $6 billion Park Avenue development.

The feud fueled fears of a wider exodus from New York, where the Big Apple’s and the state’s bloated budgets are increasingly dependent on a shrinking sliver of taxpayers.

“In New York, the top 1% of earners pay about 45% of all state income taxes in any given year, so New York’s revenue is very reliant on high earners to stay in New York, and that has been a challenge in recent years,” said Jared Walczak, an economist and senior fellow at the Tax Foundation think tank…

…The CBC study provides an at-times disquieting snapshot of stagnation gripping the Empire State for years before the young socialist took office.

The findings show:

*New York has lost more population to every state than it has gained from them, with Florida and Texas among the biggest recipients of former New Yorkers.

*After seeing a mass exodus during the coronavirus pandemic, New York City’s population rebound in 2023 and 2024 was driven by international immigrants.

*A “growth corridor” from New York City and Long Island to Albany largely drives the state’s economy, with upstate and other rural regions hemorrhaging workers.

*The Empire State leads the nation in state and local taxes collected, with per capita collections at $12,495 – or 78% above the US average.

New York also had the second-largest share of the nation’s millionaires – 12.7% – in 2010, according to the analysis.

By 2022, the state actually had roughly more 34,000 millionaires, but other states far outpaced that growth, according to the study.

“New York’s number of millionaires doubled, but it tripled in California and Texas and quadrupled in Florida, leaving New York State with the fourth-most millionaires behind those states,” the study states.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:08 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:26 pm

1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
And most of that shit is made in China. Americans not buying it means they’d have to close shop in China .
So you think Apple, Amazon, Craftsman, Milwaukee, Black & Decker….and most retailers should close up shop? Ok.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:23 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:26 pm

1). All of those facts, cultural history, and statistics without one single citation or link, Professor? I at least showed my cards. Go ahead and show yours.

2). On glaring omission that you and those you follow continuously make is the industries dependent on that middle class to spend money on bougie items such as a 2nd car, affordable rent (since homeownership is in crisis), internet, iPhones, streaming services, etc. Hey Apple, purveyors of streaming services, home builders, landlords…We’re awfully sorry but the greedy middle class can no longer afford your modern standard of living propaganda. You’ll have to close shop.

Now consider that one glaring omission and tie it into the wealth gap.

Best of luck. :lol:

Now excuse me, I need to go catch up on my daily reading dose of The Theory of Moral Sentiments.
Do you know when the last time I watched a commercial is?

Probably the Life cereal commercial or BOLOGNA

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You do realize I could have written all of this myself, right? You’re singing my tune!
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kalm wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 10:43 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:23 am

Do you know when the last time I watched a commercial is?

Probably the Life cereal commercial or BOLOGNA

The point
you’re free to have a mind of your own and you don’t have to conform with what the establishment so desperately need you to do
You do realize I could have written all of this myself, right? You’re singing my tune!
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kalm wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 10:23 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:08 am
And most of that shit is made in China. Americans not buying it means they’d have to close shop in China .
So you think Apple, Amazon, Craftsman, Milwaukee, Black & Decker….and most retailers should close up shop? Ok.
Close up shop in China? Yes.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:19 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:08 am
And most of that shit is made in China. Americans not buying it means they’d have to close shop in China .
Is most of it still made in China? Or is it made in Vietnam, Malaysia, India, etc?

I know you don't give a sh!t but trade has played a vital role in making the world more peaceful which anyone who is truly pro-life should support.
I believe most is still made in China.

I prefer it be made in America, but if not then those other Asian countries you mentioned (or anywhere besides China).

China (all long before Trump 1):
1. We have a massive trade deficit.
2. They put tariffs on our goods.
3. They manipulate their currency.
4. They conduct state sponsored economic espionage and intellectual property theft on a ginormous scale.
5. They allowed virus to escape from one of their labs, costing us, and the rest of the world, tens of trillions of $$.

And whatever else I have left off.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 11:12 am
kalm wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 10:43 am

You do realize I could have written all of this myself, right? You’re singing my tune!
I beat you again
Sure. You’re also agreeing with me on things I’ve said for years.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 12:11 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:19 am

Is most of it still made in China? Or is it made in Vietnam, Malaysia, India, etc?

I know you don't give a sh!t but trade has played a vital role in making the world more peaceful which anyone who is truly pro-life should support.
I believe most is still made in China.

I prefer it be made in America, but if not then those other Asian countries you mentioned (or anywhere besides China).

China (all long before Trump 1):
1. We have a massive trade deficit.
2. They put tariffs on our goods.
3. They manipulate their currency.
4. They conduct state sponsored economic espionage and intellectual property theft on a ginormous scale.
5. They allowed virus to escape from one of their labs, costing us, and the rest of the world, tens of trillions of $$.

And whatever else I have left off.
And fully delivered courtesy of both parties. Remember years ago when I was attacked for these type of sentiments?
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