When socialism comes to America..

[kalm]

Still waiting...

True democratic socialist countries do not exist. The term is adjacent to if not interchanged with social democracies. The theoretical difference is using regulated capitalism to fund a social programs in a state vs. an ultimate goal of rejecting capitalism in the evolution from socialism to communism. This also has never occurred.

The important takeaway (which I’ve said for years on here) is that all economically prosperous countries have a mixed economy. Including the U.S. at its economic peak.

[Baldy]

Still waiting...

True democratic socialist countries do not exist. The term is adjacent to if not interchanged with social democracies. The theoretical difference is using regulated capitalism to fund a social programs in a state vs. an ultimate goal of rejecting capitalism in the evolution from socialism to communism. This also has never occurred.

The important takeaway (which I’ve said for years on here) is that all economically prosperous countries have a mixed economy. Including the U.S. at its economic peak.

The people who think social democracies and democratic socialists are adjacent or even interchangeable are the people who have no clue what either are. While both have broad, generalized goals that are similar, the two couldn't be more different from a functional standpoint.

When Bernie made his infamous statement on that Univision debate in 2016 saying that when he talks about democratic socialism, he's talking about the type of socialism in Denmark and Sweden and not the type of socialism in Venezuela and Cuba. It took the Danish PM about 20 seconds to go on TV to give Bernie a body check and say that Denmark isn't a socialist country; democratic socialist or otherwise.

The overarching goal of democratic socialists is to eradicate capitalism. Social democracies have highly functioning market driven economies and are only able to exist and function because of capitalism. There isn't anything adjacent or interchangeable about that whatsoever.
It's as simple as...Democratic socialists are vehemently anti-capitalism. Social democracies only exist because of capitalism.

[BDKJMU]

[Skjellyfetti]

again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal

[Caribbean Hen]

again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal

Why don’t you come to the Nyc DMV with me?

Legal or illegal one thing is true …. they all look like Klamdami

By the way, the NY DMV doesn’t care if they’re legal or not…

[BDKJMU]

again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal

Ok. US Census says 2025 50 million foreign born, with population clock 343 million (there are also estimates closer to 350 million). So ballpark foreign born is about 14% of US population.

Yet 40% of NYC housing rental units are occupied by foreign born, many of whom are illegal. They don’t have a housing shortage. They have a foreign born problem.

[Skjellyfetti]

Legal or illegal one thing is true …. they all look like Klamdami

Thanks for making it clear what's important to you.

[Skjellyfetti]

again conflating 'people born outside the us' = illegal

Ok. US Census says 2025 50 million foreign born, with population clock 343 million (there are also estimates closer to 350 million). So ballpark foreign born is about 14% of US population.

So, then you cite the US as a whole? Do you think NYC has a larger or smaller percentage of legal US residents than the country as a whole?

NYC is the "City of Immigrants" and has millions of legal immigrants.

They have a foreign born problem.

Thanks for making it clear that it is foreigners, whether legal or not, that irks you.