The window in which you are spreading virus but aren't displaying symptoms - it's very small and many times the person didn't realize they actually had mild symptoms. That's why I said it wasn't really a thing before COVID.
Asymptomatic Wild-Type Poliovirus Infection in India among Children with Previous Oral Poliovirus VaccinationSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:26 pmThe window in which you are spreading virus but aren't displaying symptoms - it's very small and many times the person didn't realize they actually had mild symptoms. That's why I said it wasn't really a thing before COVID.
There was never mass amounts of people contracting COVID, displaying no symptoms and then talking/breathing it all over everyone.
He’s referring to mask mandates, lockdowns, and vaccine mandates for everyone.
You're going to love this one. Did you notice those that were asymptomatic spreaders were all those that had been given a leaky vaccine? Just like the COVID vaccine?Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:59 pmAsymptomatic Wild-Type Poliovirus Infection in India among Children with Previous Oral Poliovirus VaccinationSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:26 pm
The window in which you are spreading virus but aren't displaying symptoms - it's very small and many times the person didn't realize they actually had mild symptoms. That's why I said it wasn't really a thing before COVID.
There was never mass amounts of people contracting COVID, displaying no symptoms and then talking/breathing it all over everyone.
2010 Oxford Link
Nothing new, as new information is found, changes are made.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:36 pmYou're going to love this one. Did you notice those that were asymptomatic spreaders were all those that had been given a leaky vaccine? Just like the COVID vaccine?Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:59 pm
Asymptomatic Wild-Type Poliovirus Infection in India among Children with Previous Oral Poliovirus Vaccination
2010 Oxford Link
It's why they have both an Oral Polio Vaccine and and Injectable Polio Vaccine to fix that problem.
Did you also notice how I mentioned in my original post how those vaccinated have suppressed symptoms, so they may not know they are spreading?
Thank you for the link.
Well I did learn that if you don't want COVID from an asymptomatic person, don't eat their shit.Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:41 pmNothing new, as new information is found, changes are made.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:36 pm
You're going to love this one. Did you notice those that were asymptomatic spreaders were all those that had been given a leaky vaccine? Just like the COVID vaccine?
It's why they have both an Oral Polio Vaccine and and Injectable Polio Vaccine to fix that problem.
Did you also notice how I mentioned in my original post how those vaccinated have suppressed symptoms, so they may not know they are spreading?
Thank you for the link.
Background. Mucosal immunity induced by oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) is imperfect and potentially allows immunized individuals to participate in asymptomatic wild-type poliovirus transmission in settings with efficient fecal-oral transmission of infection
Just listening to people like this, leads me to believe people will be shot in the near future for believe these people or the people on the other side.
We had a guy at work that never washed his hands after going to the bathroom. On treat day, everyone that didn't get a treat by the time he got there, missed out. The word around the office was, did he have a treat yet.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:01 pmWell I did learn that if you don't want COVID from an asymptomatic person, don't eat their shit.
Background. Mucosal immunity induced by oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) is imperfect and potentially allows immunized individuals to participate in asymptomatic wild-type poliovirus transmission in settings with efficient fecal-oral transmission of infection
No more of an idiot than Fraudci and those on the left pushing their fear porn..
I'm disappointed in you BDKaren. That's a photo of Rand getting a Hepatitis booster not the COVID vaccine. It's fake news just like stolen election baloney.
So you posting fake news about Paul makes me a Karen.UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:01 pmI'm disappointed in you BDKaren. That's a photo of Rand getting a Hepatitis booster not the COVID vaccine. It's fake news just like stolen election baloney.
I'm against federal or statewide vaccine/mask mandates/restrictions. I try to be consistent and not let my personal ideology turn me into a flip-flopping hypocrite.
Wait - are you part of the Ivermectin crowd?SeattleGriz wrote:As the vaccines lose their luster, due to people not paying attention to what was really claimed, when do we pivot away and blame the vaccines on Trump?
Only question is whether they allow Ivermectin or force everyone to prescribe another huge money maker for the pharmaceutical industry.
Fielder's choice to give up the run for two outs?CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:18 amWhat's the correlation for states with high case numbers or low case numbers and vaccination rates and new case rates?JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:53 pm I just did a quick and dirty analysis for myself to see if there is a correlation between vaccination rate by State and COVID-19 cases. So as not to take too much time I just went with cases reported on the last day on which at least ALMOST all states reported daily cases at the Worldometers site. That's August 6. Actually I started entering the data thinking ALL the states had reported for August 6 but it turns out that the last date reported for Iowa and South Dakota was August 4. At that point I was not going to start over so I just left those two States out.
So, anyway, I ran a Spearman correlation between vaccination rate by State and cases per million population reported by State on August 6. The coefficient is -0.67718 with 48 data pairs. That is so highly significant that the on line calculator I used to do it puts p at 0. >99.9999 and a bunch of other 9s to the right of the decimal point confidence.
There is absolutely not doubt, none, that higher vaccination rate is associated with lower case rate. Yes you can say maybe one should use something like a weekly average instead of a single day. But all that is likely to do is make the correlation stronger.
The anti vax people need to just stop. Please. The vaccines work extremely well. It's obvious. It's not a close call. At this point you have to be a complete idiot not to recognize it.
Oh...I used the vaccination rate map at https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus- ... ne-tracker for vaccination rates. Set it at "Fully vaccinated."
I'm wondering if states with low case numbers likely have lower vaccination rates and higher new case rates. In other words, states with high new case rates have a larger pool of non-infected/non-vaccinated people. The scenario being that people in states with the lower cases in the past feel less threatened and therefore declined vaccination. And what is happening is just a balancing out.
Also, is there truly a "political divide" in vaccinations as CNN likes to point out? For example, if you point to a southern red state for low vaccination rate, how would you explain the black population's low vaccination rate in NYC?
PSS: Why does a batter not get credit for an RBI if they hit into a double play? Did he not "bat" a run in?
No, but if it works to reduce inflammation and a doctor gets good results, then I don't care. I'm mostly just betting providers will be forced to use what the government dictates.CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:40 pmWait - are you part of the Ivermectin crowd?SeattleGriz wrote:As the vaccines lose their luster, due to people not paying attention to what was really claimed, when do we pivot away and blame the vaccines on Trump?
Only question is whether they allow Ivermectin or force everyone to prescribe another huge money maker for the pharmaceutical industry.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/d ... VzsClJZ2KwThe delta variant itself. The rapid ascendancy to total domination is the real-world proof that this variant is different. For virologists studying the coronavirus up close, that difference remains somewhat mysterious. Scientists are racing to understand what makes this variant so successful. They are studying it in animal models and in petri dishes, and scrutinizing the genomes of thousands of closely related lineages.
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What’s most sobering to scientists is how the coronavirus keeps getting better at jumping from person to person.
The original strain that emerged in Wuhan, China, had an estimated reproductive number — an “R-naught” — of roughly 2.5. That’s the average number of new infections generated by each infected person in a population without immunity or mitigations. Any number above 1 means that outbreaks will expand and spread. But the CDC and other scientists say delta has a reproductive number greater than 5.
The result is what the United States has endured this summer: viral explosion.
'Sicker quicker'
A nurse checks on a covid patient Aug. 4 at NEA Baptist Memorial Hospital in Jonesboro, Ark. (Houston Cofield/Bloomberg News)
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Stephen Brierre, chief of critical care at Baton Rouge General in Louisiana, said the onset of respiratory failure requiring ventilation seems to be more rapid: “This is observational and anecdotal at this point: They get sicker quicker.”
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Patients are younger compared with earlier in the pandemic, perhaps because fewer young people are vaccinated. Tull said health-care workers are “having to make the decision of do we start dialysis on a healthy 25-year-old?”
In Alabama, where about 43 percent of adults are fully vaccinated and virtually all 67 counties are reporting high levels of community transmission, health officials are seeing inpatient data supporting that “delta may be more harmful,” according to Jeanne Marrazzo, director of the infectious-diseases division at the University of Alabama at Birmingham School of Medicine.
At the 1,200-bed UAB hospital, patients hospitalized for covid-19 are younger, the patients who have died are younger, and there appears to be greater use of a last-resort treatment, called ECMO, that can mechanically substitute for badly damaged lungs. The heavy use of ECMO “connotes truly serious systemic illness,” Marrazzo wrote in an email.
The main thing I take from this is that the jab should have never been called a "vaccine".SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:34 am3 Reasons.
1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).
2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.
3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.
To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.
This is the exact response people need to take. Anyone thinking eventually things will go back to "normal: have no grasp of what the power brokers have been doing the last year and a half. And anyone with a knowledge of history knows what comes next.
Personal accountability, right?
