Coronavirus COVID-19

[GannonFan]

Except when you compare Chinese Flu deaths in CA to other things, it gets even more laughable, here are the top 10 in 2017 per the CDC:

CA Leading Causes of Death, 2017 Deaths
1. Heart Disease 62,797
2. Cancer 59,516
3. Stroke 16,355
4. Alzheimer’s Disease 16,238
5. Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 13,881
6. Accidents 13,840
7. Diabetes 9,595
8. Influenza/Pneumonia 6,340
9. Hypertension 5,596
10. Chronic Liver Disease/Cirrhosis 5,325

Tack on another 133k abortion deaths in 2017 and the idea of people freaking out and wanting a lock down for less than 2k dead is completely fucking ridiculous.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stat ... fornia.htm

You do realize that part of that is California being ahead of the game with social distancing/stay at home right? You should be happy with your state. Us in WA are the same with relaxing restrictions this week.

New Zealand has absolutely kicked it’s ass so far.

That gets us back to normal sooner.

How is/was CA ahead of the game with social distancing? They went into it on March 19th - while earlier than some states, they weren't the first. And they still get opened a slew of essential businesses like other states. Did they do something fundamentally different? Wasn't sure by what you meant by ahead of the game.

As for New Zealand, sure, again, like Taiwan, we are proving that isolated, island nations with limited access points into the country that are easily turned off (and did turn them off) are far better at self-isolating than are much larger and much more interconnected countries. I think Taiwan's case is even more impressive as they have significantly greater population density than anywhere in New Zealand. NZ is basically like most rural sections in the US, which coincidentally have significantly low numbers of COVID cases and deaths, just like in NZ.

[SDHornet]

Except when you compare Chinese Flu deaths in CA to other things, it gets even more laughable, here are the top 10 in 2017 per the CDC:

CA Leading Causes of Death, 2017 Deaths
1. Heart Disease 62,797
2. Cancer 59,516
3. Stroke 16,355
4. Alzheimer’s Disease 16,238
5. Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 13,881
6. Accidents 13,840
7. Diabetes 9,595
8. Influenza/Pneumonia 6,340
9. Hypertension 5,596
10. Chronic Liver Disease/Cirrhosis 5,325

Tack on another 133k abortion deaths in 2017 and the idea of people freaking out and wanting a lock down for less than 2k dead is completely fucking ridiculous.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/stat ... fornia.htm

You do realize that part of that is California being ahead of the game with social distancing/stay at home right? You should be happy with your state. Us in WA are the same with relaxing restrictions this week.

New Zealand has absolutely kicked it’s ass so far.

That gets us back to normal sooner.

And even then the Chinese Flu has been in CA since Jan (if not sooner) so this thing has been circulating before the lock down. So does it spread as aggressive as the "experts" claim, or not as deadly as the "experts" claim? Which is it?

[SDHornet]

You do realize that part of that is California being ahead of the game with social distancing/stay at home right? You should be happy with your state. Us in WA are the same with relaxing restrictions this week.

New Zealand has absolutely kicked it’s ass so far.

That gets us back to normal sooner.

How is/was CA ahead of the game with social distancing? They went into it on March 19th - while earlier than some states, they weren't the first. And they still get opened a slew of essential businesses like other states. Did they do something fundamentally different? Wasn't sure by what you meant by ahead of the game.

As for New Zealand, sure, again, like Taiwan, we are proving that isolated, island nations with limited access points into the country that are easily turned off (and did turn them off) are far better at self-isolating than are much larger and much more interconnected countries. I think Taiwan's case is even more impressive as they have significantly greater population density than anywhere in New Zealand. NZ is basically like most rural sections in the US, which coincidentally have significantly low numbers of COVID cases and deaths, just like in NZ.

Because we weren't, just not nearly as incompetent as NY leadership. There is no reason why the metro areas of LA and SF (especially SF) didn't see a mass surge of severe cases if this thing is anywhere near as bad as the "experts" claimed.

[kalm]

You do realize that part of that is California being ahead of the game with social distancing/stay at home right? You should be happy with your state. Us in WA are the same with relaxing restrictions this week.

New Zealand has absolutely kicked it’s ass so far.

That gets us back to normal sooner.

How is/was CA ahead of the game with social distancing? They went into it on March 19th - while earlier than some states, they weren't the first. And they still get opened a slew of essential businesses like other states. Did they do something fundamentally different? Wasn't sure by what you meant by ahead of the game.

As for New Zealand, sure, again, like Taiwan, we are proving that isolated, island nations with limited access points into the country that are easily turned off (and did turn them off) are far better at self-isolating than are much larger and much more interconnected countries. I think Taiwan's case is even more impressive as they have significantly greater population density than anywhere in New Zealand. NZ is basically like most rural sections in the US, which coincidentally have significantly low numbers of COVID cases and deaths, just like in NZ.

Some Cali counties and cities were ahead of the statewide order. I tried to find a timeline for social distancing recommendations but I seem to remember my state and Cali we’re recommending it while DiBlasio was still working out at the YMCA. As we know, the higher the pop density the higher the case count and faster the spread. Buying an extra week or two and just getting a majority of people to voluntarily social distance probably bought time.

Yes New Zealand is small and an island and even Auckland’s pop density is relatively low. I’d imagine their population is similar in size to many US states but they’ve still done better to the point of opening back up fairly quickly. And this despite receiving more international travel than many of these states along with closer proximity to Asia. They’re Stay at home lockdown wasn’t any earlier but it was put in place quickly and effectively, the latter of which might be culturally based. IOW’s they listened.

In any event, they went from models of 1000 per day to 1500 total and no new cases pretty damn quick. Sure there are differences but it’s an indicator of a country taking it seriously and coming back out in a month vs. leaving nail salons open.

The postmortem and hard facts on all of this will be interesting.

[89Hen]

*their

[kalm]

*their

Dammit! I went back and fixed one of those and still missed the other.

[Ibanez]

Where's Trip to complain about the Boomers taking money from their grandkids future earnings to pay for things today? These CARE packages are doing the same thing.

Has his argument for open borders been listed as a fatality of COVID-19 yet?

For the most part it's the boomers, their older siblings and parents that are dying. They don't really care.

[GannonFan]

Where's Trip to complain about the Boomers taking money from their grandkids future earnings to pay for things today? These CARE packages are doing the same thing.

Has his argument for open borders been listed as a fatality of COVID-19 yet?

For the most part it's the boomers, their older siblings and parents that are dying. They don't really care.

It's like the last revenge of the Boomers. That and this upcoming election with Trump and Biden battling it out for who gets to mess things up more over the next 4 years. What's MJ's take on this?

[Ibanez]

For the most part it's the boomers, their older siblings and parents that are dying. They don't really care.

It's like the last revenge of the Boomers. That and this upcoming election with Trump and Biden battling it out for who gets to mess things up more over the next 4 years. What's MJ's take on this?

I watched a documentary last night, Hillbilly, and these Kentucky coal miners who voted Democrat and voted for Obama were brutally honest as to why they voted for Trump. They were disgusted with his comments and treatment of women, POWs and the handicapped. But they weren't trying to take away their jobs like Clinton.

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

[CAA Flagship]

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Target with what?
The Dems have little history of business friendly policies that promote job growth and security.

[UNI88]

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Target with what?
The Dems have little history of business friendly policies that promote job growth and security.

And it would go against their environmental agenda and narrative that whites are deplorable toxic imperialists.

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[Ibanez]

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Target with what?
The Dems have little history of business friendly policies that promote job growth and security.

Then it might be time for them to change...again.

[Ivytalk]

For the most part it's the boomers, their older siblings and parents that are dying. They don't really care.

It's like the last revenge of the Boomers. That and this upcoming election with Trump and Biden battling it out for who gets to mess things up more over the next 4 years. What's MJ's take on this?

Who cares? Never ask Jearf for a serious substantive response.

[CAA Flagship]

Gilead Sciences said Wednesday preliminary results of a coronavirus drug trial showed at least 50% of patients treated with a 5-day dosage of antiviral drug remdesivir improved and more than half were discharged from the hospital within two weeks.

The company also said another trial by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases met its main goal. It did not provide further details, however.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead- ... trial.html

[GannonFan]

Gilead Sciences said Wednesday preliminary results of a coronavirus drug trial showed at least 50% of patients treated with a 5-day dosage of antiviral drug remdesivir improved and more than half were discharged from the hospital within two weeks.

The company also said another trial by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases met its main goal. It did not provide further details, however.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead- ... trial.html

Heck, that would be like Tamiflu for the coronavirus. Let's get 'er done.

[Gil Dobie]

So COVID-19 may not actually like the flu without a vaccine. Flu deaths are CDC estimates, not actual reported deaths.

Link

One Doctors observation

I decided to call colleagues around the country who work in other emergency departments and in intensive care units to ask a simple question: how many patients could they remember dying from the flu? Most of the physicians I surveyed couldn’t remember a single one over their careers. Some said they recalled a few. All of them seemed to be having the same light bulb moment I had already experienced: For too long, we have blindly accepted a statistic that does not match our clinical experience.

The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.

To do this, we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not counted deaths to wildly inflated statistical estimates. If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the United States from COVID-19 in the second full week of April to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC), we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu. In other words, the coronavirus is not anything like the flu: It is much, much worse.

[SDHornet]

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Target with what?
The Dems have little history of business friendly policies that promote job growth and security.

I think that was Bernie's big pitch...but so much for that.

[SDHornet]

Gilead Sciences said Wednesday preliminary results of a coronavirus drug trial showed at least 50% of patients treated with a 5-day dosage of antiviral drug remdesivir improved and more than half were discharged from the hospital within two weeks.

The company also said another trial by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases met its main goal. It did not provide further details, however.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead- ... trial.html

I hope this turns out to be a game changer in this.

[BDKJMU]

It's like the last revenge of the Boomers. That and this upcoming election with Trump and Biden battling it out for who gets to mess things up more over the next 4 years. What's MJ's take on this?

I watched a documentary last night, Hillbilly, and these Kentucky coal miners who voted Democrat and voted for Obama were brutally honest as to why they voted for Trump. They were disgusted with his comments and treatment of women, POWs and the handicapped. But they weren't trying to take away their jobs like Clinton.

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Trump didn't mock POWs and 'the' handicapped. He mocked a POW (McCain) and a handicapped reporter (who had mocked Trump).

[Ibanez]

I watched a documentary last night, Hillbilly, and these Kentucky coal miners who voted Democrat and voted for Obama were brutally honest as to why they voted for Trump. They were disgusted with his comments and treatment of women, POWs and the handicapped. But they weren't trying to take away their jobs like Clinton.

Rural whites afraid of losing their jobs should be the demographic that Democrats aggressively target.

Trump didn't mock POWs and 'the' handicapped. He mocked a POW (McCain) and a handicapped reporter (who had mocked Trump).

[BDKJMU]

Trump didn't mock POWs and 'the' handicapped. He mocked a POW (McCain) and a handicapped reporter (who had mocked Trump).

Not splitting hairs in pointing out the fallacy of the line that's been parroted by the left for the last 3-4 years. Big difference between mocking an individual, and a group.

[AZGrizFan]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-lockdow ... 1587930911

Do quick shutdowns work to fight the spread of Covid-19? Joe Malchow, Yinon Weiss and I wanted to find out. We set out to quantify how many deaths were caused by delayed shutdown orders on a state-by-state basis.

To normalize for an unambiguous comparison of deaths between states at the midpoint of an epidemic, we counted deaths per million population for a fixed 21-day period, measured from when the death rate first hit 1 per million—e.g.,‒three deaths in Iowa or 19 in New York state. A state’s “days to shutdown” was the time after a state crossed the 1 per million threshold until it ordered businesses shut down.


We ran a simple one-variable correlation of deaths per million and days to shutdown, which ranged from minus-10 days (some states shut down before any sign of Covid-19) to 35 days for South Dakota, one of seven states with limited or no shutdown. The correlation coefficient was 5.5%—so low that the engineers I used to employ would have summarized it as “no correlation” and moved on to find the real cause of the problem. (The trendline sloped downward—states that delayed more tended to have lower death rates—but that’s also a meaningless result due to the low correlation coefficient.)

No conclusions can be drawn about the states that sheltered quickly, because their death rates ran the full gamut, from 20 per million in Oregon to 360 in New York. This wide variation means that other variables—like population density or subway use—were more important. Our correlation coefficient for per-capita death rates vs. the population density was 44%. That suggests New York City might have benefited from its shutdown—but blindly copying New York’s policies in places with low Covid-19 death rates, such as my native Wisconsin, doesn’t make sense.

[UNI88]

Not splitting hairs in pointing out the fallacy of the line that's been parroted by the left for the last 3-4 years. Big difference between mocking an individual, and a group.

The way Trump mocked McCain was a shot at all POWS. I didn't particularly care for McCain and thought he would have been a horrible President but for Bone Spurs the Cowardly to criticize him was more than hypocritical.

[Ibanez]

Not splitting hairs in pointing out the fallacy of the line that's been parroted by the left for the last 3-4 years. Big difference between mocking an individual, and a group.

So it's ok to mock a POW - a man when given the opportunity to trade on his name and be released, declined - because you are too insecure to accept that someone disagrees with you and your positions?

Done of that matters because he is on record saying,

I like people who weren’t captured

. People is plural. More than 1.
So yes, a man who didn't have the balls to fight, said he likes people who weren't captured. An insulting remark to make regardless if he's talking about 1 or 100000 POWs.

Btw, the comments made by his current sycophants are quite true

”.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero & all POW’s deserve our nation’s highest debt of gratitude. @realDonaldTrump’s comments are disgraceful,” tweeted former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

“As a fellow veteran I respect @SenJohnMcCain because he volunteered to serve his country. I cannot say the same about Mr. @realDonaldTrump,” Perry added. He then called in a statement for Trump to drop out of the race.

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close friend of McCain’s, tweeted, “If there was ever any doubt that @realDonaldTrump should not be our commander in chief, this stupid statement should end all doubt.” He added: “At the heart of @realDonaldTrump statement is a lack of respect for those who have served - a disqualifying characteristic to be president.

I'm not sure how you can defend him.

Then again, you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will not question him. Which is truly appalling.

[mainejeff]

This has been a twice in a lifetime stock investment windfall.....booyah!