kalm wrote:And like I originally said, much of this is pandering to primary voters and won’t happen. It’s not that your list entirely inaccurate, it was that is was unnecessarily over the top much like those who suffer from TDS.
I just want you to know that I’m here to help if you ever need it.
Holy backpedaling Batman.
Look...I know you can’t quit me, but if you go back, nothing much has changed from my original point. Z’s list was over the top and the right wing equivalent of TDS.
UNI88 wrote:- Student debt – the cost of an education ballooned when the federal government got so involved in student loans. You think more government involvement is going to fix the problem? Schools saw that there was a pile of money available and they took it and put it toward bigger administrative staffs and other things that did little to improve the quality of education they provided. Students made very poor decisions and took out bigger loans than they should have to pursue a degree. Question – if we forgive the debt of those that were fiscally irresponsible, what do we do for those that were fiscally responsible? Do we reward poor decision-making and essentially punish good decision-making?
Your entire post crushed it 88, but I particularly liked the part about student loans. It's a hot button for me. I went to a school my parents could afford. I saved a ton of money so I wouldn't have to take out or bury my kids with student loans. In my line of work I get to see folks debts and when I see somebody with $200,000 in student loans working a regular job (meaning they didn't do med school) my first thought is how irresponsible of that person. It drives me crazy that people think they are entitled to go to any school they want.
No doubt. None the less, the bubble is there and won’t it seriously effect the greater economy including lending for decades?
Look...I know you can’t quit me, but if you go back, nothing much has changed from my original point. Z’s list was over the top and the right wing equivalent of TDS.
This was my post that got you started (my emphasis)...
89Hen wrote:Stances are stances. Most of what Z posted came directly from their mouths. Whether they have a chance of passing or not, they've said it and I'm taking them at face value that they would pass them if they could.
kalm wrote:
Look...I know you can’t quit me, but if you go back, nothing much has changed from my original point. Z’s list was over the top and the right wing equivalent of TDS.
This was my post that got you started (my emphasis)...
89Hen wrote:Stances are stances. Most of what Z posted came directly from their mouths. Whether they have a chance of passing or not, they've said it and I'm taking them at face value that they would pass them if they could.
No...Z’s ridiculous post got me started. You chose to inadequately defend it.
89Hen wrote:
I just agree with 88 that we can't reward bad behavior and punish those of us that did it the right way. I guess I'm just not into socialism.
Agree we shouldn’t, but it’s the American way. Ag socialism and Wall Street socialism - noble. Educated basket weavers...not so much.
The biggest source of debt? Credit card bills. And that’s a “troubling” trend, Chantel Bonneau, a financial advisor with Northwestern Mutual, tells CNBC Make It.
“One issue that a lot of millennials have is that they have not wanted to sacrifice their lifestyle, even though they have student loans or lower incomes,” Bonneau says. “That has left us in this spot where they’ve accumulated a significant amount of credit card debt.”
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UNI88 wrote:- Student debt – the cost of an education ballooned when the federal government got so involved in student loans. You think more government involvement is going to fix the problem? Schools saw that there was a pile of money available and they took it and put it toward bigger administrative staffs and other things that did little to improve the quality of education they provided. Students made very poor decisions and took out bigger loans than they should have to pursue a degree. Question – if we forgive the debt of those that were fiscally irresponsible, what do we do for those that were fiscally responsible? Do we reward poor decision-making and essentially punish good decision-making?
Your entire post crushed it 88, but I particularly liked the part about student loans. It's a hot button for me. I went to a school my parents could afford. I saved a ton of money so I wouldn't have to take out or bury my kids with student loans. In my line of work I get to see folks debts and when I see somebody with $200,000 in student loans working a regular job (meaning they didn't do med school) my first thought is how irresponsible of that person. It drives me crazy that people think they are entitled to go to any school they want.
88.2 was accepted to WPI and it was his #1 choice by a yuge amount but their financial aid package was horrible. He would have had to borrow about $40k per year (out of a total cost of around $70k/year) to go there. He got accepted to a number of other schools that didn't excite him nearly as much but were much more affordable. I told him that it was his decision but that I wasn't doing my job as a parent if I didn't tell him that taking on that much debt was a bad idea. I gave him an estimate on how much his monthly payments would be for each year's loans and then added them together so he would know how much he would really be paying per month after he graduated. He's a comp sci major so he should have a good salary upon graduating but the cost of the student loans would have really taken a bite out of his options for apartments, cars, entertainment and savings. He's at the Illinois Institute of Technology (also with a total cost of close to $70k/year) and should graduate with about $30k total in debt (all federal loans) and a comparable salary.
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
Thank you for your attention to this matter - UNI88
89Hen wrote:
I just agree with 88 that we can't reward bad behavior and punish those of us that did it the right way. I guess I'm just not into socialism.
Agree we shouldn’t, but it’s the American way. Ag socialism and Wall Street socialism - noble. Educated basket weavers...not so much.
It is interesting how the left demonizes corporate socialism and the right demonizes personal socialism.
Can we tie student loan debt forgiveness to vasectomies and hysterectomies? Taking out $100k+ in loans for a basket weaving degree isn't very smart and science says that the strongest and smartest should survive and procreate. Isn't it anti-science to let people who did this have children? And a side benefit would be the long-term reduction in population and carbon footprint as the kids that were never conceived won't have children. It's a win/win!
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
Thank you for your attention to this matter - UNI88
kalm wrote:
Agree we shouldn’t, but it’s the American way. Ag socialism and Wall Street socialism - noble. Educated basket weavers...not so much.
It is interesting how the left demonizes corporate socialism and the right demonizes personal socialism.
Can we tie student loan debt forgiveness to vasectomies and hysterectomies? Taking out $100k+ in loans for a basket weaving degree isn't very smart and science says that the strongest and smartest should survive and procreate. Isn't it anti-science to let people who did this have children? And a side benefit would be the long-term reduction in population and carbon footprint as the kids that were never conceived won't have children. It's a win/win!
Welp...there sure as shit ain’t a lot of bankrupt basket weavers getting laid so it’s kind of naturally following your proscribed course.
UNI88 wrote:
It is interesting how the left demonizes corporate socialism and the right demonizes personal socialism.
Can we tie student loan debt forgiveness to vasectomies and hysterectomies? Taking out $100k+ in loans for a basket weaving degree isn't very smart and science says that the strongest and smartest should survive and procreate. Isn't it anti-science to let people who did this have children? And a side benefit would be the long-term reduction in population and carbon footprint as the kids that were never conceived won't have children. It's a win/win!
Welp...there sure as shit ain’t a lot of bankrupt basket weavers getting laid so it’s kind of naturally following your proscribed course.
Operating under the assumption that all the basket weaving majors are of one sex/gender?
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