Apparently innocent until proven guilty is not one of the "norms" he wants to recognize.89Hen wrote:Trip doesn't care for such trivial notions. Innocence until proven guilty is not part of his American dream.AZGrizFan wrote:
He doesn't have to prove innocence. They have to prove guilt. That's how it works in this great experiment.
It's not a spin and you know it. You know very well that Barr could go to a court and ask to release the Grand Jury stuff and he would likely be granted permission. You also know there is no law requiring the Justice Department to with hold information relating to people not charged.CID1990 wrote:I can predict your spin by watching MSNBC almost to the minute
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I didn't say "classified briefing." I referred to providing an un redacted report. I haven't seen what Pelosi did yet. But to me a "classified briefing" is a lot different than actually providing "cleared members" with an un redacted copy of the report.CID1990 wrote:Both of you must have missed where Nancy Pelosi said she would reject a classified briefing for cleared memberskalm wrote:
They’ve gone through a process and at least certain Congress critters can access classified materials.
It’s like the 4th amendment arguments for search and seizure...if you haven’t committed a crime you have nothing to worry about.
spin spin spin obfuscate
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Redactions are rare to nonexistent in classified briefings. Generally, the only redactions are sources and methods, which have ZERO effect on the facts.JohnStOnge wrote:I didn't say "classified briefing." I referred to providing an un redacted. I haven't seen what Pelosi did yet. But to me a "classified briefing" is a lot different than actually providing "cleared member" with an un redacted copy of the report.CID1990 wrote:
Both of you must have missed where Nancy Pelosi said she would reject a classified briefing for cleared members
spin spin spin obfuscate
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CS.com Retard POTY.JohnStOnge wrote:It's not a spin and you know it.CID1990 wrote:I can predict your spin by watching MSNBC almost to the minute
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In this instance, would a "classified briefing" mean the "cleared members" involved would get an un redacted copy of the report? Or does it mean they would get a briefing on what the report contains?CID1990 wrote:Redactions are rare to nonexistent in classified briefings. Generally, the only redactions are sources and methods, which have ZERO effect on the facts.JohnStOnge wrote:
I didn't say "classified briefing." I referred to providing an un redacted. I haven't seen what Pelosi did yet. But to me a "classified briefing" is a lot different than actually providing "cleared member" with an un redacted copy of the report.
They would get both a briefing AND a copy of the report, REDACTED FOR SOURCES AND METHODS which they do not NEED TO KNOW, which is LAW.JohnStOnge wrote:In this instance, would a "classified briefing" mean the "cleared members" involved would get an un redacted copy of the report? Or does it mean they would get a briefing on what the report contains?CID1990 wrote:
Redactions are rare to nonexistent in classified briefings. Generally, the only redactions are sources and methods, which have ZERO effect on the facts.
If the answer is "yes they would get an un redacted copy of the report" I stand corrected. If not I do not.
JohnStOnge wrote:I hate to break this to you but that majority of Americans who don't like Trump and who believe the Mueller report did not exonerate him are real Americans. Most Americans want him out. Unless something changes significantly most Americans are going to vote against him in 2020. It's just a question of whether he can slip in thanks to the Electoral College again.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Wrong the polls show more than 50% of real Americans are already satisfied.
Americas President won........ AGAIN
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Hey CID.CID1990 wrote:Agreed.kalm wrote:
1). As much as possible should be released to the public.
2). Sensitive/classified parts should be released to members of both parties with security clearance.
That’s not obfuscation.
But when Pelosi and Co start lying about what “as much as possible” means let’s see who lines up behind whom
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We could have ended this thread on this post. #185CID1990 wrote:Foreign ambassadors meet with legislators all the time. Especially this guy -
There's always a bottom line in these cases and in this one it is a matter of whether or not the Russians and Trump supporters/surrogates were coordinating the release of the Wikileaks stuff. That's jail for somebody if it happened.
Everything short of that is going to turn out to be a nothingburger - it will be the left's Benghazi (and I expect there is going to be about 50 of those over the next 4 years)
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Last jellybelly post was on page 161CID1990 wrote:We could have ended this thread on this post. #185CID1990 wrote:Foreign ambassadors meet with legislators all the time. Especially this guy -
There's always a bottom line in these cases and in this one it is a matter of whether or not the Russians and Trump supporters/surrogates were coordinating the release of the Wikileaks stuff. That's jail for somebody if it happened.
Everything short of that is going to turn out to be a nothingburger - it will be the left's Benghazi (and I expect there is going to be about 50 of those over the next 4 years)
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Yes I’m going back through
Looking for the post where MIA Jelly sez he’s really just disinterested observer.
Ah fvck it... I don’t want to relive the whole thing, GOLD MINE that it is
BTW I can see siggys on tapatalk. Is Jelly’s still up?
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It's in jellybelly's best interests to never return to this board. What a fucking dumb ass he was in this whole thread.Cid1990 wrote:
It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.
Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over
Intelligent.kalm wrote:Missed this one...89Hen wrote:
What’s the opposite of liberal?
89Hen wrote:Intelligent.kalm wrote:
Missed this one...
What’s the opposite of liberal?
We'll be the judge of that.css75 wrote:BS, there was nothing there from the beginning. Mueller knew that 2 weeks in. Trip, this whole thing is a fraud and was made up to attempt to drive Trump, duly elected, out of office. Morons like Pencil Neck Schaffer will just make up a new fable, as they got people like you to believe it without looking for the truth as they are too lazy.∞∞∞ wrote:Has the Mueller report been fully released yet? No? Until then Trump isn't exonerated.
Most Americans want this. The letter isn't enough nor will any redacted report.
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Your fascination with all things jelly is noted, but we hope you'll be able respect the boundary between hero worship and an unhealthy obsession by stepping back to this side of that line....SDHornet wrote:Last jellybelly post was on page 161CID1990 wrote:
We could have ended this thread on this post. #185
Yes I’m going back through
Looking for the post where MIA Jelly sez he’s really just disinterested observer.
Ah fvck it... I don’t want to relive the whole thing, GOLD MINE that it is
BTW I can see siggys on tapatalk. Is Jelly’s still up?
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http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... start=4000
Yes, his siggy with your (soon to be) spot on post is still up.It's in jellybelly's best interests to never return to this board. What a **** dumb ass he was in this whole thread.Cid1990 wrote:
It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.
Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over
How did Barr acquire the security clearance necessary for that so quickly?CID1990 wrote:75% of Americans would probably like a ride on the ISS too∞∞∞ wrote: I guess the 75% of Americans that want the full report out there are loons (according to NPR/PBS/Marist).
84% according to Quinnipiac.
Hey Ganny- if you think Truthers and Birthers were bad... wait until the DOJ redacts for methods/sources/classified
its going to be glorious - self immolation
(except for the glide path to reelection it will put Trump on)
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Sorry, I meant to say the beginnings of the investigation, like FISA request documentation.CID1990 wrote:Seattlegriz-
Nope. Nancy Pelosi said no to a Gang of 8 briefing
Since I have a 98% track record of being RIGHT on this thread (Manafort.. dontcha know!) I’ll offer why she did this
A Gang of 8 briefing means that she loses the ability to claim a coverup - because the Dems in the briefing won’t be able to lie about it.
No way a classified briefing happens
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Actually, I have this recent memory of Jelly monitoring this thread by the hourhoundawg wrote:Your fascination with all things jelly is noted, but we hope you'll be able respect the boundary between hero worship and an unhealthy obsession by stepping back to this side of that line....SDHornet wrote:
Last jellybelly post was on page 161
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... start=4000
Yes, his siggy with your (soon to be) spot on post is still up.
It's in jellybelly's best interests to never return to this board. What a **** dumb ass he was in this whole thread.
oh please JSOhoundawg wrote:How did Barr acquire the security clearance necessary for that so quickly?CID1990 wrote:
75% of Americans would probably like a ride on the ISS too
Hey Ganny- if you think Truthers and Birthers were bad... wait until the DOJ redacts for methods/sources/classified
its going to be glorious - self immolation
(except for the glide path to reelection it will put Trump on)
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Nope. They wouldn’t be privy to that yet - and Congress couldn’t really have hearings on it because there was too much overlap with the special prosecutor’s investigationSeattleGriz wrote:Sorry, I meant to say the beginnings of the investigation, like FISA request documentation.CID1990 wrote:Seattlegriz-
Nope. Nancy Pelosi said no to a Gang of 8 briefing
Since I have a 98% track record of being RIGHT on this thread (Manafort.. dontcha know!) I’ll offer why she did this
A Gang of 8 briefing means that she loses the ability to claim a coverup - because the Dems in the briefing won’t be able to lie about it.
No way a classified briefing happens
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I am grieving the delay of the schadenfreude I was anticipating reveling in; I know I shouldn't be since who is President and who controls Congress and SCOTUS have such a minuscule effect on my day to day life - BUT- I already called game over and the collapse of our political system right here back when Citizens United was put on us.CID1990 wrote:Actually, I have this recent memory of Jelly monitoring this thread by the hourhoundawg wrote:
Your fascination with all things jelly is noted, but we hope you'll be able respect the boundary between hero worship and an unhealthy obsession by stepping back to this side of that line....
And me trying to make logical arguments about why it was obvious that the entire narrative surrounding thus topic was a false premise
I know you guys are grieving and that’s OK.... really. I don’t personally wish for the collapse of our entire political system, but I won’t stop you guys from doing it
But I do plan to dance a little longer... like the cock crowing from the top of the sh1t pile
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Yes. There is an enormous world outside of yours that has no idea what an SF86 process is.CID1990 wrote:oh please JSOhoundawg wrote:
How did Barr acquire the security clearance necessary for that so quickly?
Do you need a primer of the SF86 process for department principals?
Just step back before you get Jellied
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