Trump announces Brett Kavanaugh as his 2nd SCOTUS nominee.

[Bisonfanatical]

JSO, I get that you are basically in Trump Knee Jerk mode, but if you think this investigation has anything at all to do with seeking truth then you are gotdamn fool

This is about moving the confirmation down the road to the midterms - because the Democrats think that a confirmation fight ongoing during the election will help their turnout (possible), and even deliver them the Senate (much less likely but also possible).

If the Democrats were so interested in truth and justice they wouldn't have sat on this thing for nearly 3 weeks, and they also wouldn't have held from Dr. Ford that she had the option of giving her testimony from her home.

Dr. Ford said 3, maybe 4 people would know about the assault she is alleging. The FBI doesn't have time machines and they don't have a crystal ball, so the FBI is naturally going to have to start with those 4 (2 of whom are Ford and Kavanaugh themselves). IF any of those people identify additional witnesses, then the FBI will get clearance to talk to those people. There is no way they CAN'T, and if you think otherwise then you are not thinking logically.

I know the Democrats' motivations are political. However, if the objective is to find the truth the charge to the FBI should be "find the truth." It should not, in my opinion, start with specification of the witnesses the FBI is to interview.

One of the four people the FBI has been told to interview is Deborah Ramirez. That's the woman who says Kavanaugh exposed himself to her while both were at Yale. How is the FBI going to assess that without expanding its list of people interviewed beyond her?

If they are indeed allowed to expand as necessary that would be better. But, to me, they should not be given a list of people they are to interview to start with. In my opinion the FBI should be given an objective then IT should select the list of people to be interviewed; initial or otherwise.

2 Serious questions for you...

How do you feel about Obama?

Did you vote for Hillary?



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[JohnStOnge]

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

JSO, as expected, replicates the DNC talking points.

Some “conservative.” Senator Caramel Harris’s lackey.

When the arrangement was first announced I posted that I thought it would be a good thing. Now I've heard that they told the FBI who it is going to interview. I don't see how anybody could think it is a good thing to tell the FBI to look into to something then give them a list of who they are to interview initially or otherwise.

[css75]

The whole FBI thing is nothing but a delay tactic, to say otherwise is foolish.


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[Baldy]

JSO, as expected, replicates the DNC talking points.

Some “conservative.” Senator Caramel Harris’s lackey.

When the arrangement was first announced I posted that I thought it would be a good thing. Now I've heard that they told the FBI who it is going to interview. I don't see how anybody could think it is a good thing to tell the FBI to look into to something then give them a list of who they are to interview initially or otherwise.

Maybe the Sr. Senator from California shouldn't have held onto that letter for 8 weeks before letting it be known to the Judiciary Committee.

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[kalm]

There would be less of a chance of him being right, or at least there would be more of a defense, if the White House just gave the FBI a broad objective and let the FBI decide on who to interview with no limit on how many.

You did see that the agreement was to have this wrapped up by next Friday, no?

The Republicans didn't have to once again make a concession to the Democrats. They've been more than fair, making multiple concessions when they could have just rammed this through without listening to the woman with the story or having a seventh FBI investigation of Kavanaugh. We all know that nothing will be proven here, so let's get on with the confirmation. The country is really tired of the Democrats' stall tactics and divisiveness.

Conks:

The Democrats aren't playing fair!

They're being political!!!

They lack principle just like us!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Pop quiz...who's quote?

“It may not be our job to impose sanctions on him, but it is our job to make his pattern of revolting behavior clear — piece by painful piece,” he wrote. “Aren’t we failing to fulfill our duty to the American people if we willingly ‘conspire’ with the president in an effort to conceal the true nature of his acts?”

[bluehenbillk]

The whole FBI thing is nothing but a delay tactic, to say otherwise is foolish.


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Correct. The Democrats just want to push it further out & delay in hopes that something will break that will kill the nomination or Kavanaugh will just have enough & withdraw.

[SeattleGriz]

If the FBI can review 65,000 emails of Hillary's on Carlos Dangers laptop in a day or two, they can wrap this investigation up in a week no problem.

[93henfan]

If the FBI can review 65,000 emails of Hillary's on Carlos Dangers laptop in a day or two, they can wrap this investigation up in a week no problem.

What is Carlos up to these days anyway? Is he allowed to sext from federal prison?

[Baldy]

You did see that the agreement was to have this wrapped up by next Friday, no?

The Republicans didn't have to once again make a concession to the Democrats. They've been more than fair, making multiple concessions when they could have just rammed this through without listening to the woman with the story or having a seventh FBI investigation of Kavanaugh. We all know that nothing will be proven here, so let's get on with the confirmation. The country is really tired of the Democrats' stall tactics and divisiveness.

Conks:

The Democrats aren't playing fair!

They're being political!!!

They lack principle just like us!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Pop quiz...who's quote?

“It may not be our job to impose sanctions on him, but it is our job to make his pattern of revolting behavior clear — piece by painful piece,” he wrote. “Aren’t we failing to fulfill our duty to the American people if we willingly ‘conspire’ with the president in an effort to conceal the true nature of his acts?”

*whose

Did Blasey-Ford intern for Kavanaugh, or did she turn over a semen stained dress...something? anything? I will even settle for someone coming forward who actually saw Ford and Kavanaugh together in the same room at some point.

[93henfan]

Yet another "but Trump, but Republicans" eliminated from the Democrat book of excuses and delays. What will they grasp for next? Certainly not time. The FBI has 13,000 agents it could put on this.

The White House has reportedly permitted the FBI to interview anyone deemed appropriate in its investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

The New York Times reported on Monday that the White House gave authorization to expand the investigation from an initial limited list of witnesses, provided that the review is completed by the end of the week.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ion-report

[JohnStOnge]

Just as an update:

The Harvard/Harris poll up at RealClearPolitics right now as the latest poll on the generic Congressional Ballot involved interviews conducted September 29 and 30 after last Thursday's Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh show. It has men split 41% to 41% on whether they'll vote Democrat or Republican. But its female respondents favored Democrats by 48% to 32%.

[JohnStOnge]

Yet another "but Trump, but Republicans" eliminated from the Democrat book of excuses and delays. What will they grasp for next? Certainly not time. The FBI has 13,000 agents it could put on this.

The White House has reportedly permitted the FBI to interview anyone deemed appropriate in its investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

The New York Times reported on Monday that the White House gave authorization to expand the investigation from an initial limited list of witnesses, provided that the review is completed by the end of the week.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ion-report

That's great. We'll see what happens. But, obviously, one can't assume something is true because Trump or his White House says it. We'll just have to see what actually transpires.

[93henfan]

Just as an update:

The Harvard/Harris poll up at RealClearPolitics right now as the latest poll on the generic Congressional Ballot involved interviews conducted September 29 and 30 after last Thursday's Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh show. It has men split 41% to 41% on whether they'll vote Democrat or Republican. But its female respondents favored Democrats by 48% to 32%.

Yes, we're well aware that women are emotional and gullible.

Same with millennials.

[Baldy]

Just as an update:

The Harvard/Harris poll up at RealClearPolitics right now as the latest poll on the generic Congressional Ballot involved interviews conducted September 29 and 30 after last Thursday's Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh show. It has men split 41% to 41% on whether they'll vote Democrat or Republican. But its female respondents favored Democrats by 48% to 32%.

Good.

The last gender gap poll showed it at 18 points. Now it's down to 16.

More importantly, RCP shows the Conks with a solid lead 47 to 43 with 10 races as toss ups.



North Dakota, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee and Indiana are trending to the Conks. Florida and Arizona are real toss-ups. West Virginia is leaning toward Manchin, but the Kavanaugh result will probably decide that race since polls show West Virginians favor BK by 30 points.

[JoltinJoe]

Just as an update:

The Harvard/Harris poll up at RealClearPolitics right now as the latest poll on the generic Congressional Ballot involved interviews conducted September 29 and 30 after last Thursday's Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh show. It has men split 41% to 41% on whether they'll vote Democrat or Republican. But its female respondents favored Democrats by 48% to 32%.

Good.

The last gender gap poll showed it at 18 points. Now it's down to 16.

More importantly, RCP shows the Conks with a solid lead 47 to 43 with 10 races as toss ups.



North Dakota, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee and Indiana are trending to the Conks. Florida and Arizona are real toss-ups. West Virginia is leaning toward Manchin, but the Kavanaugh result will probably decide that race since polls show West Virginians favor BK by 30 points.

And there you have it. The generic ballot poll doesn't mean anything. Truth be told, the "generic" ballot preference varies significantly by region.

When the Democrats invoked the nuclear option, they turned the Senate into a pure majoritarian legislative body.

All you need to tell voters in the 27 "red" states is send two Republicans to the Senate, you'll get the judges you like throughout the federal system. And we'll get 54+ Republican Senators.

And the Democrats will say, "Hey, more people voted nationally for Democrats for Senate!"

[Skjellyfetti]

All you need to tell voters in the 27 "red" states is send two Republicans to the Senate, you'll get the judges you like throughout the federal system. And we'll get 54+ Republican Senators.

And the Democrats will say, "Hey, more people voted nationally for Democrats for Senate!"

I'm sure Democrats were saying something similar in 2008. It's not that easy, thankfully...

[Bisonfanatical]

Just as an update:

The Harvard/Harris poll up at RealClearPolitics right now as the latest poll on the generic Congressional Ballot involved interviews conducted September 29 and 30 after last Thursday's Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh show. It has men split 41% to 41% on whether they'll vote Democrat or Republican. But its female respondents favored Democrats by 48% to 32%.

Good.

The last gender gap poll showed it at 18 points. Now it's down to 16.

More importantly, RCP shows the Conks with a solid lead 47 to 43 with 10 races as toss ups.



North Dakota, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee and Indiana are trending to the Conks. Florida and Arizona are real toss-ups. West Virginia is leaning toward Manchin, but the Kavanaugh result will probably decide that race since polls show West Virginians favor BK by 30 points.

Just saw a poll here in ND that shows Cramer (R) with a larger lead over Heidkampf (D) than 2 weeks ago, with the over whelming majority in favor of the Kavanaugh appointment.

Heard from a Dem pollster in the news who believes the Dems overplayed this and believes it will backfire on them.

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[CID1990]

Here's how far we've all fallen when it comes to substance...

We are borking Kavanaugh because of an unsubstantiated accusation of sexual assault ... and perusing his yearbook to see if he did what dumb teen boys do

There's literally zero evidence that he has problems with stare decisis - which would be an issue for all the Roe people. But even IF Roe was in fact overturned, abortion rights would likely increase in about 80% of the country, would be redefined and limited to 24 weeks of gestation in the other 19% and MAYBE would wind up being illegal altogether in maybe Mississippi - so the Roe concern is not a substantive concern, at least not in comparison to teen "boofing"... according to all us children

But Kavanaugh does present a threat civil liberties that affect every last one of us, and nobody really gives a damn about it. Kavanaugh has been very clear that he finds warrantless surveillance, such as the NSA collection of metadata to be perfectly in sync with the 4th Amendment. That, to me, is disqualifying ... more so than anything else

And it is telling that nobody in the Senate Jud Committee, on either side, or anybody else in the country for that matter thinks it is worth going after him on it. Not a peep. Democrats are big government statists... that's been obvious for years. But not one Republican has brought this issue up in any substantive way. There have been mentions of it, but nobody has made the stink it deserves

[css75]

Here's how far we've all fallen when it comes to substance...

We are borking Kavanaugh because of an unsubstantiated accusation of sexual assault ... and perusing his yearbook to see if he did what dumb teen boys do

There's literally zero evidence that he has problems with stare decisis - which would be an issue for all the Roe people. But even IF Roe was in fact overturned, abortion rights would likely increase in about 80% of the country, would be redefined and limited to 24 weeks of gestation in the other 19% and MAYBE would wind up being illegal altogether in maybe Mississippi - so the Roe concern is not a substantive concern, at least not in comparison to teen "boofing"... according to all us children

But Kavanaugh does present a threat civil liberties that affect every last one of us, and nobody really gives a damn about it. Kavanaugh has been very clear that he finds warrantless surveillance, such as the NSA collection of metadata to be perfectly in sync with the 4th Amendment. That, to me, is disqualifying ... more so than anything else

And it is telling that nobody in the Senate Jud Committee, on either side, or anybody else in the country for that matter thinks it is worth going after him on it. Not a peep. Democrats are big government statists... that's been obvious for years. But not one Republican has brought this issue up in any substantive way. There have been mentions of it, but nobody has made the stink it deserves

Agree with you that NSA issues far override the other nonsense, too bad Rand Paul is not on judiciary..


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[houndawg]

He probably is a great guy when he isn't snot-slinging drunk a waving his pecker around.


If he'd come out and said "I was 17 and I was shit-faced and and I **** up and I'm sorry", he would have had an easier path. Now he won't be able to show his face in public without a crowd gathering to jeer him. And if the Ds take both houses they can revisit the issues and try to regain the public's rapidly-dwindling confidence that the SCOTUS wasn't as crooked as the other branches. I think there's quite a few of you who are underestimating how pissed off the women are this time.

Dawg, when the Dems retake the White House and the Senate they'll have a chance to nominate their candidate and similar allegations are going to be made against him or her. They're going to try and rationalize how it's different and argue that their nominee is getting the shaft but we all know they'll be full of sh1t. What arguments are you going to make when the chickens come home to roost and a nominee you support gets dragged through the mud?

I think they should all be dragged through the mud. The ones worthy of the position will survive it. You know how it works - first there has to be payback for refusing to even give Garland a hearing. After that we can talk about healing and shit. And you know they could have done better than this frat boy punk. There have to be better conservative candidates available than a loser like Kavanaugh. Even the Republicans should be able to find somebody that can hold his liquor and tell the truth once in a while.

[houndawg]

Here's how far we've all fallen when it comes to substance...

We are borking Kavanaugh because of an unsubstantiated accusation of sexual assault ... and perusing his yearbook to see if he did what dumb teen boys do

There's literally zero evidence that he has problems with stare decisis - which would be an issue for all the Roe people. But even IF Roe was in fact overturned, abortion rights would likely increase in about 80% of the country, would be redefined and limited to 24 weeks of gestation in the other 19% and MAYBE would wind up being illegal altogether in maybe Mississippi - so the Roe concern is not a substantive concern, at least not in comparison to teen "boofing"... according to all us children

But Kavanaugh does present a threat civil liberties that affect every last one of us, and nobody really gives a damn about it. Kavanaugh has been very clear that he finds warrantless surveillance, such as the NSA collection of metadata to be perfectly in sync with the 4th Amendment. That, to me, is disqualifying ... more so than anything else

And it is telling that nobody in the Senate Jud Committee, on either side, or anybody else in the country for that matter thinks it is worth going after him on it. Not a peep. Democrats are big government statists... that's been obvious for years. But not one Republican has brought this issue up in any substantive way. There have been mentions of it, but nobody has made the stink it deserves

They're going to collect that stuff regardless because they can. I swear I never thought I'd see the day when when the FBI was the lesser of evils comparatively.

[CID1990]

Here's how far we've all fallen when it comes to substance...

We are borking Kavanaugh because of an unsubstantiated accusation of sexual assault ... and perusing his yearbook to see if he did what dumb teen boys do

There's literally zero evidence that he has problems with stare decisis - which would be an issue for all the Roe people. But even IF Roe was in fact overturned, abortion rights would likely increase in about 80% of the country, would be redefined and limited to 24 weeks of gestation in the other 19% and MAYBE would wind up being illegal altogether in maybe Mississippi - so the Roe concern is not a substantive concern, at least not in comparison to teen "boofing"... according to all us children

But Kavanaugh does present a threat civil liberties that affect every last one of us, and nobody really gives a damn about it. Kavanaugh has been very clear that he finds warrantless surveillance, such as the NSA collection of metadata to be perfectly in sync with the 4th Amendment. That, to me, is disqualifying ... more so than anything else

And it is telling that nobody in the Senate Jud Committee, on either side, or anybody else in the country for that matter thinks it is worth going after him on it. Not a peep. Democrats are big government statists... that's been obvious for years. But not one Republican has brought this issue up in any substantive way. There have been mentions of it, but nobody has made the stink it deserves

They're going to collect that stuff regardless because they can. I swear I never thought I'd see the day when when the FBI was the lesser of evils comparatively.

No, they aren't. Put hard and fast rules in place against it ... backed up by case law decided without a tortured reading of the 4th Amendment... and then throw a bureaucrat or two in jail when they get caught "collecting that stuff regardless"


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[kalm]

They're going to collect that stuff regardless because they can. I swear I never thought I'd see the day when when the FBI was the lesser of evils comparatively.

No, they aren't. Put hard and fast rules in place against it ... backed up by case law decided without a tortured reading of the 4th Amendment... and then throw a bureaucrat or two in jail when they get caught "collecting that stuff regardless"


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Great point on warrantless wire tapping. The problem is rank and file Republicans as well as the leadership really don’t have much of a problem with it. Ivy was arguing with me about it years ago (blah, blah, blah, something, something about how electronic communications are not personal effects. Thx a lot founders for not anticipating smart phones )

Anyhoo...where was I? Oh yeah...neither party votes or acts on principle and even if rules are put in place, the enforcement and lack of real punishment (think crushing rock vs. fines) are the issue. See: how many Wall Street execs went to prison?

Our politics is controlled by massive homerism and has turned into egriz...or bisonville.

[Baldy]

Dawg, when the Dems retake the White House and the Senate they'll have a chance to nominate their candidate and similar allegations are going to be made against him or her. They're going to try and rationalize how it's different and argue that their nominee is getting the shaft but we all know they'll be full of sh1t. What arguments are you going to make when the chickens come home to roost and a nominee you support gets dragged through the mud?

I think they should all be dragged through the mud. The ones worthy of the position will survive it. You know how it works - first there has to be payback for refusing to even give Garland a hearing. After that we can talk about healing and shit. And you know they could have done better than this frat boy punk. There have to be better conservative candidates available than a loser like Kavanaugh. Even the Republicans should be able to find somebody that can hold his liquor and tell the truth once in a while.

While the Donks are throwing a hissy fit and soiling their gender neutral panties while trying to Bork an exceptionally qualified nominee, the Conk majority in the Senate grows.

If the Donks aren't stepping on a rake somewhere, they're tripping over their little dicks.