The Official "Making America Woke Again" Thread

[SDHornet]

How China and Afghanistan/The Taliban work together is going to be interesting. Influence in Afghanistan gives China even more control over rare earths. Will the Taliban accept the conditions (ignoring the plight of the Uyghurs for one) of Chinese aid?

Oh Bubba the shit I could tell you...

[SDHornet]

Pres Sec is AWOL too. But the adults are in charge now.

[SDHornet]

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Whoops.

By ALLIE BICE

04/25/2021 10:50 AM EDT

Vice President Kamala Harris confirmed Sunday that she was the last person in the room before President Joe Biden made the decision to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.

In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” Harris was asked about being the last person in the room regarding major decisions, something that Biden has said is important to him in his working relationship with the vice president. Harris confirmed that was the case regarding the move to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 11.


The decision to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan was announced earlier this month. American troops have been in Afghanistan since October 2001, when the U.S. invaded in response to the 9/11 attacks the previous month.


“This is a president who has an extraordinary amount of courage,” she said, regarding the decision. “He is someone, who I have seen over and over again, make decisions based on what he truly believes ... is the right thing to do.”

Harris said that Biden “is acutely aware that it may not be politically popular, or advantageous for him personally; it’s really something to see.”

“I have seen him over and over again make decisions based exactly on what he believes is right,” she noted.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/2 ... ion-484581

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I think it's a similar figure to what I've read, although I doubt much of it got to its intended purpose considering the rampant corruption. And they were never going to be ready; I'm just pointing out that this is a failure of many people and I doubt Trump would have done any better pulling out the way he wanted to (and set up a bad situation regardless). But Biden is definitely to blame as he's President and was even there for the start.

You should also read the Afghan papers which took the Washington Post three years to get published via a legal fight with the US government:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

There's been a concerted effort to lie by everyone involved in this war, they knew there was no victory but kept selling it to the American public to keep the gravy train rolling.

No one should be surprised by this quick collapse. The fact that our top brass and President thought it would take months is a complete failure of our intelligence services.

The “top brass” doesn’t get to be “top brass” by telling their civilian bosses what they don’t want to hear. Not for several years now

There is plenty of blame to go around but don’t believe the Bill Clinton clones out there when they blame the IC - the IC has been a convenient scapegoat for politicians for years because the IC rarely to never pushes back. Because they can't.

That may be the case, but there was obviously a failure at some point, whether it be the intelligence gathering phase, analysis phase, distribution of information phase, or decision phase. We need to investigate and find out what happened here.

I get the buck stops at the CIC, but executive decisions can only be as good as the info behind it. The US isn't the only nation scrambling right now either, so there seems to have been an almost comical breakdown in intelligence services between the US and our allies. I have a hard time believing the higher ups weren't getting info that genuinely made them think they had a few months instead of days (or hours).

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Whoops.

By ALLIE BICE

04/25/2021 10:50 AM EDT

Vice President Kamala Harris confirmed Sunday that she was the last person in the room before President Joe Biden made the decision to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan.

In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” Harris was asked about being the last person in the room regarding major decisions, something that Biden has said is important to him in his working relationship with the vice president. Harris confirmed that was the case regarding the move to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 11.


The decision to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan was announced earlier this month. American troops have been in Afghanistan since October 2001, when the U.S. invaded in response to the 9/11 attacks the previous month.


“This is a president who has an extraordinary amount of courage,” she said, regarding the decision. “He is someone, who I have seen over and over again, make decisions based on what he truly believes ... is the right thing to do.”

Harris said that Biden “is acutely aware that it may not be politically popular, or advantageous for him personally; it’s really something to see.”

“I have seen him over and over again make decisions based exactly on what he believes is right,” she noted.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/2 ... ion-484581

And, over and over again, Biden makes exactly the wrong decision. He makes the Jimmy Carter administration look like the apex of competence. And Caramel Harris would be even worse. What a deep national bench the Democrats have. Might as well put JSO in there.

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Whoops.



https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/2 ... ion-484581

And, over and over again, Biden makes exactly the wrong decision. He makes the Jimmy Carter administration look like the apex of competence. And Caramel Harris would be even worse. What a deep national bench the Democrats have. Might as well put JSO in there.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

[Baldy]

And, over and over again, Biden makes exactly the wrong decision. He makes the Jimmy Carter administration look like the apex of competence. And Caramel Harris would be even worse. What a deep national bench the Democrats have. Might as well put JSO in there.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

Like a good sockpuppet, I wouldn't expect you to say anything less.

[SeattleGriz]

Not quite. Everything I've read said Trump wanted out in May. Biden broke that timeline to sell some 9/11 anniversary propaganda...only the Taliban said "hold my kush" so here we are. This Afghanistan embarrassment is 100% on Biden.

It is 100% on Biden but Trump or his MAGAts saying it would have been different if Trump were POTUS are delusional. The only difference is that Jelly and others would have been hammering Trump for his incompetence.

Nope. Trump batted 100% with all his Middle East stuff. Everyone said he would start a war, but he proved them all wrong.

The Taliban would have behaved until they got their country back if it was Trump.

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Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

Like a good sockpuppet, I wouldn't expect you to say anything less.

I can admit when elected officials fuck up. This is the first major mistake, besides not pushing to end the filibuster, that President Biden's made.

We can’t fix or prevent what’s happening in Afghanistan. Americans wanted out. Period. End of story.

It looks like hot garbage now (because it is), but he's the only President to have the balls to follow through and end it.

[Ibanez]

It’s not uncommon at all. A lot of war material gets left behind. Sometimes for the regional forces or b/c it not worth the cost. I spent a few months receiving gear at MARCOYSYSCOM in Albany, Ga and kearned a lot from those Marines about how much just gets left behind


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Again. I GET that shit gets left behind. But why not put it in a big pile and burn that shit? I mean, leaving it fully operational? KNOWING that the Afghani forces were a joke and that shit was quickly going to end up in Taliban (and then Iranian) hands?

That’s just flat fucking retarded.

Those are our tax dollars hard at work.

What a fiasco. What an easily avoided situation. Afghanistan wasn't gong to remain "democratic." The Taliban was going to come in no matter what. There is zero excuse for not evacuating the thousands of Afghan nationals that gave us aid and support as well as our own civilians. How was that not Step 1? Step 1 - secure the civilians. How does that get bungled?

[Ivytalk]

Again. I GET that shit gets left behind. But why not put it in a big pile and burn that shit? I mean, leaving it fully operational? KNOWING that the Afghani forces were a joke and that shit was quickly going to end up in Taliban (and then Iranian) hands?

That’s just flat fucking retarded.

Those are our tax dollars hard at work.

What a fiasco. What an easily avoided situation. Afghanistan wasn't gong to remain "democratic." The Taliban was going to come in no matter what. There is zero excuse for not evacuating the thousands of Afghan nationals that gave us aid and support as well as our own civilians. How was that not Step 1? Step 1 - secure the civilians. How does that get bungled?

Tripz’s take: It was all a conspiracy to benefit the military-industrial complex by replacing all that expensive shyt that fell into the hands of the Magic Turbans.

[Ibanez]

And, over and over again, Biden makes exactly the wrong decision. He makes the Jimmy Carter administration look like the apex of competence. And Caramel Harris would be even worse. What a deep national bench the Democrats have. Might as well put JSO in there.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

I disagree. This isn't about getting out. This is how they botched the retreat. How they've left thousands of people endangered. How they couldn't safely get our Embassy evacuated. You think those thousands of Afghan nationals are going to be living their best lives after this? Them and their families probably won't live for long.

This is a monumental screw up. Ever lefty friend I have is absolutely angry at Biden...LIVID at Biden. You'd thought Trump did this with the way they're talking. The mistake is that we had zero plan to have a safe and orderly retreat from battle. And where is our CIC? Seriously...where the fuck is? Saturday / Sunday and he's up at Camp David. He's as MIA as Trump was on January 6th. This is a colossal failure. If he survives to 2024, he's got this albatross hanging around his neck. And I sure as shit won't vote for him.

Big mistakes happen but they don't get forgotten.


Apparently, this is video of Afghans trying to take off with a C17 (though the cheer in the beginning is curious)




We had to use Apache helicopters to clear those people and STILL some made it in the air...until they lost control and fell to their deaths.

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Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

I disagree. This isn't about getting out. This is how they botched the retreat. How they've left thousands of people endangered. How they couldn't safely get our Embassy evacuated. You think those thousands of Afghan nationals are going to be living their best lives after this? Them and their families probably won't live for long.

This is a monumental screw up. Ever lefty friend I have is absolutely angry at Biden...LIVID at Biden. You'd thought Trump did this with the way they're talking. The mistake is that we had zero plan to have a safe and orderly retreat from battle. And where is our CIC? Seriously...where the fuck is? Saturday / Sunday and he's up at Camp David. He's as MIA as Trump was on January 6th. This is a colossal failure. If he survives to 2024, he's got this albatross hanging around his neck. And I sure as shit won't vote for him.

Big mistakes happen but they don't get forgotten.


Apparently, this is video of Afghans trying to take off with a C17 (though the cheer in the beginning is curious)

You've definitely got different leftie friends than me then. It's a point of discussion, but no one meaningfully cares about the botched withdrawal. Most are happy we're out (which I am). Honestly, I find this as a mistake but it's not that big of a deal. It was going to end in a mess regardless, and in a way I'm glad it ends this way so Americans can see the tragedy of war.

Also I just got into work and it doesn't seem to be a big deal around the water cooler either.

You're really overestimating how much the average American cares beyond a few days or weeks.

[Ibanez]

Those are our tax dollars hard at work.

What a fiasco. What an easily avoided situation. Afghanistan wasn't gong to remain "democratic." The Taliban was going to come in no matter what. There is zero excuse for not evacuating the thousands of Afghan nationals that gave us aid and support as well as our own civilians. How was that not Step 1? Step 1 - secure the civilians. How does that get bungled?

Tripz’s take: It was all a conspiracy to benefit the military-industrial complex by replacing all that expensive shyt that fell into the hands of the Magic Turbans.

This is inexcusable. Full stop. /thread. There is no debate on this.

I didn't serve but I can only imagine how OEF vets are feeling. They gave their friends, blood, limbs, psyches, etc... for what!?

[Ibanez]

I disagree. This isn't about getting out. This is how they botched the retreat. How they've left thousands of people endangered. How they couldn't safely get our Embassy evacuated. You think those thousands of Afghan nationals are going to be living their best lives after this? Them and their families probably won't live for long.

This is a monumental screw up. Ever lefty friend I have is absolutely angry at Biden...LIVID at Biden. You'd thought Trump did this with the way they're talking. The mistake is that we had zero plan to have a safe and orderly retreat from battle. And where is our CIC? Seriously...where the fuck is? Saturday / Sunday and he's up at Camp David. He's as MIA as Trump was on January 6th. This is a colossal failure. If he survives to 2024, he's got this albatross hanging around his neck. And I sure as shit won't vote for him.

Big mistakes happen but they don't get forgotten.


Apparently, this is video of Afghans trying to take off with a C17 (though the cheer in the beginning is curious)

You've definitely got different leftie friends than me then. It's a point of discussion, but no one meaningfully cares about the botched withdrawal. Most are happy we're out (which I am). Honestly, I find this as a mistake but it's not that big of a deal. It was going to end in a mess regardless, and in a way I'm glad it ends this way so Americans can see the tragedy of war.

Also I just got into work and it doesn't seem to be a big deal around the water cooler either.

You're really overestimating how much the average American cares beyond a few days or weeks.

Yeah - my friends are lefty but with the exception of 1, aren't dyed in the wool Democrats.

I think you are underestimating this situation. You honestly believe that a botched exit that now has the very people we were sent to "free" clinging to C17s and dying is "not that big of a deal?" You think the ~18k (someone feel free to correct me. I think that's the # I read earlier.) Afghan's that worked with us who are now either in hiding, trying to flee or already rounded up and awaiting to be murdered not a big deal?

I think you're being extremely naive, Trip.

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Tripz’s take: It was all a conspiracy to benefit the military-industrial complex by replacing all that expensive shyt that fell into the hands of the Magic Turbans.

This is inexcusable. Full stop. /thread. There is no debate on this.

I didn't serve but I can only imagine how OEF vets are feeling. They gave their friends, blood, limbs, psyches, etc... for what!?

I only have one friend who served in Afghanistan (Marines) and this was his message to me yesterday:

"He should have handled the withdrawal better but he's [Biden] right. If the Afghan people won't fight for themselves, what were we supposed to do? A perpetual occupation? Sometimes you have to rip the band-aid off. Hopefully it serves as a lesson to future leaders that it's not America's job to police the world. (I know, it won't.)"

I actually have drinks with him on Friday.

[Baldy]

I disagree. This isn't about getting out. This is how they botched the retreat. How they've left thousands of people endangered. How they couldn't safely get our Embassy evacuated. You think those thousands of Afghan nationals are going to be living their best lives after this? Them and their families probably won't live for long.

This is a monumental screw up. Ever lefty friend I have is absolutely angry at Biden...LIVID at Biden. You'd thought Trump did this with the way they're talking. The mistake is that we had zero plan to have a safe and orderly retreat from battle. And where is our CIC? Seriously...where the fuck is? Saturday / Sunday and he's up at Camp David. He's as MIA as Trump was on January 6th. This is a colossal failure. If he survives to 2024, he's got this albatross hanging around his neck. And I sure as shit won't vote for him.

Big mistakes happen but they don't get forgotten.


Apparently, this is video of Afghans trying to take off with a C17 (though the cheer in the beginning is curious)

You've definitely got different leftie friends than me then. It's a point of discussion, but no one meaningfully cares about the botched withdrawal. Most are happy we're out (which I am). Honestly, I find this as a mistake but it's not that big of a deal. It was going to end in a mess regardless, and in a way I'm glad it ends this way so Americans can see the tragedy of war.

Also I just got into work and it doesn't seem to be a big deal around the water cooler either.

You're really overestimating how much the average American cares beyond a few days or weeks.

Trump's mean tweets were a threat to national security, but nobody cares about this.

Everyone wants the loud obnoxious uncle who overstayed his welcome to leave, but we sure don't want the bastard to burn the house down when he walks out the door.

[Ibanez]

This is inexcusable. Full stop. /thread. There is no debate on this.

I didn't serve but I can only imagine how OEF vets are feeling. They gave their friends, blood, limbs, psyches, etc... for what!?

I only have one friend who served in Afghanistan (Marines) and this was his message to me yesterday:

"He should have handled the withdrawal better but he's [Biden] right. If the Afghan people won't fight for themselves, what were we supposed to do? A perpetual occupation? Sometimes you have to rip the band-aid off. Hopefully it serves as a lesson to future leaders that it's not America's job to police the world. (I know, it won't.)"

I actually have drinks with him on Friday.

The Afghan people were NEVER going to defend themselves. We spent all that time and money training forces that surrendered at the drop of a hat. And on top of that, we failed to protect human lives. Fuck the country going back to tribalism. If that's what they want then have it. But we failed to secure human lives. We signed thousands of death warrants and that's a big deal. It's meaningful to a lot of people.

It's not that we left - we had to leave. We knew the "peace" wouldn't last. It's the way we left which has endangered so many lives and has already taken lives as people are so desperate to flee that they're holding on to the tires of C17s just to try and escape.

[Ibanez]

You've definitely got different leftie friends than me then. It's a point of discussion, but no one meaningfully cares about the botched withdrawal. Most are happy we're out (which I am). Honestly, I find this as a mistake but it's not that big of a deal. It was going to end in a mess regardless, and in a way I'm glad it ends this way so Americans can see the tragedy of war.

Also I just got into work and it doesn't seem to be a big deal around the water cooler either.

You're really overestimating how much the average American cares beyond a few days or weeks.

Trump's mean tweets were a threat to national security, but nobody cares about this.

Everyone wants the loud obnoxious uncle who overstayed his welcome to leave, but we sure don't want the bastard to burn the house down when he walks out the door.

It's not water cooler talk at an engineering firm / conservative radio talk station (or something like that, right Trip?) so it's no biggie.

It's no doubt that American's have forgotten about the war...but that doesn't mean it's end could be botched. It also doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences.

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It's not that we left - we had to leave. We knew the "peace" wouldn't last. It's the way we left which has endangered so many lives and has already taken lives as people are so desperate to flee that they're holding on to the tires of C17s just to try and escape.

Well as I've said earlier, I'd like an investigation into what happened with regards to intelligence.

Again as I've said, the buck stops at the CIC but I'm pretty sure the decisions were made with info that the US had months to evacuate people. Biden is a civilian leader and can only do with what's given to him. It's not only the US that was caught off-guard either.

Where in the chain of information did it go so wrong? Gathering, analysis, distribution, decision making, etc?

[Ibanez]

It's not that we left - we had to leave. We knew the "peace" wouldn't last. It's the way we left which has endangered so many lives and has already taken lives as people are so desperate to flee that they're holding on to the tires of C17s just to try and escape.

Well as I've said earlier, I'd like an investigation into what happened with regards to intelligence.

Again as I've said, the buck stops at the CIC but I'm pretty sure the decisions were made with info that the US had months to evacuate people. Biden is a civilian leader and can only do with what's given to him. It's not only the US that was caught off-guard either.

Where in the chain of information did it go so wrong? Gathering, analysis, distribution, decision making, etc?

All of the above to include misjudge your enemy. Our military failed at it's most basic of tasks.

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Tripz’s take: It was all a conspiracy to benefit the military-industrial complex by replacing all that expensive shyt that fell into the hands of the Magic Turbans.

This is inexcusable. Full stop. /thread. There is no debate on this.

I didn't serve but I can only imagine how OEF vets are feeling. They gave their friends, blood, limbs, psyches, etc... for what!?

Agreed. I really don’t think there’s any disagreement on this thread. Time for it to Peter out,

[Winterborn]

Yeah - my friends are lefty but with the exception of 1, aren't dyed in the wool Democrats.

I think you are underestimating this situation. You honestly believe that a botched exit that now has the very people we were sent to "free" clinging to C17s and dying is "not that big of a deal?" You think the ~18k (someone feel free to correct me. I think that's the # I read earlier.) Afghan's that worked with us who are now either in hiding, trying to flee or already rounded up and awaiting to be murdered not a big deal?

I think you're being extremely naive, Trip.

I have a few die-hard Dems as friends and they are suspiciously quite all of a sudden on FB. They loved touting everything else Biden does but on this there is just silence.

Any reasonable human being does not enjoy seeing others suffer and the mere fact that we have a segment of our society that is not moved by people risking their lives to leave as they know they (and their family's) will be tortured and at best just shot, says alot about them.

After all, they got done dehumanizing one group of people, it is pretty easy to dehumanize the next one.