The Official "Making America Woke Again" Thread

[BDKJMU]

No, no. To Democrats, Afghanistan is only the good Obama war if it is successful. If it's a failure then it's also a bad Bush war. It's kind of like how Afghanistan is a Biden failure to Republicans despite the reality that he's pretty much following Trump's blueprint for withdrawal. If it was successful, Trump would be crowing that it was because Biden followed his blueprint rather than spouting BS about how it would have been different if the election hadn't been stolen.

Here’s my two questions (because I think we should have begun the extraction process the day we killed Bin Laden)….

1) how do we NOT have a detailed plan in place to get the Afghanis who helped us OUT of the country. They are going to get slaughtered by the Taliban
2) If we’re going to leave billions of dollars in equipment over there, can we not at least disable it so it’s not usable once the Taliban ultimately get their hands on it? I heard of a base they just overran that had hundreds of humvees and drones that they now have in their possession….

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

[∞∞∞]

He is following Trump's plan - the Taliban have not broken Trump's requirements for the withdrawal. What they are doing is within the scope of the agreement that Trump laid out for them. Trump is a lying snake-oil salesman who is full of sh!t when he says that he would have done it differently. His plan is the one being implemented.

Biden hasnt followed Trump in any fashion, but he's following Trump's plan on Afghanistan? No.

I hope you realize this sh*tty end to the Afghanistan War began when Trump suddenly pulled 7000 troops out in December 2018. The Afghani government was caught by surprise, our allies were caught by surprise, and by all accounts our own generals had to convince Trump not to bring everyone home which is what he originally wanted to do (that would have been an even more disastrous end).

The sudden withdrawal was the turning point for the Taliban and allowed them to come to the "negotiating" table with the upper hand.

Art of the Deal, right? Suddenly withdraw almost everyone, outline your entire plan ahead of time, and then negotiate.

[∞∞∞]

Here’s my two questions (because I think we should have begun the extraction process the day we killed Bin Laden)….

1) how do we NOT have a detailed plan in place to get the Afghanis who helped us OUT of the country. They are going to get slaughtered by the Taliban
2) If we’re going to leave billions of dollars in equipment over there, can we not at least disable it so it’s not usable once the Taliban ultimately get their hands on it? I heard of a base they just overran that had hundreds of humvees and drones that they now have in their possession….

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

This is more normal than you think. It's often quicker/easier/cheaper to disable your equipment and abandon it than take it with you. You're also assuming the Taliban has the technical capabilities and knowledge to actually operate and maintain the stuff. Maybe for a few pieces here and there, but they're not going to have an army of useful drones and other American equipment.

Also if I'm the United States, I'd begin considering an economic alliance with the new Taliban government instead of allowing China to gain a foothold in the region. Admit that we f*cked up, but don't close the door on influencing Afghanistan with soft power. It takes patience, but we need to return to that train-of-thought if we genuinely want to spread democracy/freedom instead of forcing it.

[AZGrizFan]

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

This is more normal than you think. It's often quicker/easier/cheaper to disable your equipment and abandon it than take it with you. You're also assuming the Taliban has the technical capabilities and knowledge to actually operate and maintain the stuff. Maybe for a few pieces here and there, but they're not going to have an army of useful drones and other American equipment.

Also if I'm the United States, I'd begin considering an economic alliance with the new Taliban government instead of allowing China to gain a foothold in the region. Admit that we f*cked up, but don't close the door on influencing Afghanistan with soft power. It takes patience, but we need to return to that train-of-thought if we genuinely want to spread democracy/freedom instead of forcing it.

No shit. But we did NONE of those things. We just left them. And it’s not the Taliban’s technical proficiency we have to worry about. It’s Iran’s. Because THAT is who is going to end up with this shit…I swear, 95% of the time we are our own worst enemy.

[SeattleGriz]

Biden hasnt followed Trump in any fashion, but he's following Trump's plan on Afghanistan? No.

I hope you realize this sh*tty end to the Afghanistan War began when Trump suddenly pulled 7000 troops out in December 2018. The Afghani government was caught by surprise, our allies were caught by surprise, and by all accounts our own generals had to convince Trump not to bring everyone home which is what he originally wanted to do (that would have been an even more disastrous end).

The sudden withdrawal was the turning point for the Taliban and allowed them to come to the "negotiating" table with the upper hand.

Art of the Deal, right? Suddenly withdraw almost everyone, outline your entire plan ahead of time, and then negotiate.

When were they ever going to be ready? $88 billion in training Afghani troops to protest their country. I'm looking squarely at our military leadership for this failure.

PS. I'm pulling that 88 billion out of one article, so correct me if I'm wrong.

[AZGrizFan]

I hope you realize this sh*tty end to the Afghanistan War began when Trump suddenly pulled 7000 troops out in December 2018. The Afghani government was caught by surprise, our allies were caught by surprise, and by all accounts our own generals had to convince Trump not to bring everyone home which is what he originally wanted to do (that would have been an even more disastrous end).

The sudden withdrawal was the turning point for the Taliban and allowed them to come to the "negotiating" table with the upper hand.

Art of the Deal, right? Suddenly withdraw almost everyone, outline your entire plan ahead of time, and then negotiate.

When were they ever going to be ready? $88 billion in training Afghani troops to protest their country. I'm looking squarely at our military leadership for this failure.

PS. I'm pulling that 88 billion out of one article, so correct me if I'm wrong.

We could have had Sun Tzu himself teaching these people, they were NEVER going to be ready. They don’t have the heart to fight for nationalism, when all they know is tribalism. It’s just not in their DNA.

[∞∞∞]

When were they ever going to be ready? $88 billion in training Afghani troops to protest their country. I'm looking squarely at our military leadership for this failure.

PS. I'm pulling that 88 billion out of one article, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's a similar figure to what I've read, although I doubt much of it got to its intended purpose considering the rampant corruption. And they were never going to be ready; I'm just pointing out that this is a failure of many people and I doubt Trump would have done any better pulling out the way he wanted to (and set up a bad situation regardless). But Biden is definitely to blame as he's President and was even there for the start.

You should also read the Afghan papers which took the Washington Post three years to get published via a legal fight with the US government:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

There's been a concerted effort to lie by everyone involved in this war, they knew there was no victory but kept selling it to the American public to keep the gravy train rolling.

No one should be surprised by this quick collapse. The fact that our top brass and President thought it would take months is a complete failure of our intelligence services.

[CID1990]

We had plenty of warning. And we knew the timeline.

We had several months to start pulling people out and we only ramped it up at the 11th hour.

We can debate the war from 50,000 feet all we want -

Lots of people who bought in to what we were doing and trusted us that we were good and knew what we were doing and were going to make it work—- they are going to die now... because the optics of getting them out six months ago was apparently too much. Or golly we had plenty of time we can do that later

I’m often ashamed of our government but never more than right now and that’s on me too.


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[CID1990]

When were they ever going to be ready? $88 billion in training Afghani troops to protest their country. I'm looking squarely at our military leadership for this failure.

PS. I'm pulling that 88 billion out of one article, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's a similar figure to what I've read, although I doubt much of it got to its intended purpose considering the rampant corruption. And they were never going to be ready; I'm just pointing out that this is a failure of many people and I doubt Trump would have done any better pulling out the way he wanted to (and set up a bad situation regardless). But Biden is definitely to blame as he's President and was even there for the start.

You should also read the Afghan papers which took the Washington Post three years to get published via a legal fight with the US government:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

There's been a concerted effort to lie by everyone involved in this war, they knew there was no victory but kept selling it to the American public to keep the gravy train rolling.

No one should be surprised by this quick collapse. The fact that our top brass and President thought it would take months is a complete failure of our intelligence services.

The “top brass” doesn’t get to be “top brass” by telling their civilian bosses what they don’t want to hear. Not for several years now

There is plenty of blame to go around but don’t believe the Bill Clinton clones out there when they blame the IC - the IC has been a convenient scapegoat for politicians for years because the IC rarely to never pushes back. Because they cant


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[BDKJMU]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

[CID1990]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

Yeah but at least we have unicorns

And Joe isn’t on Tweeter so that’s a plus


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[UNI88]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

Is that all outweighed by crushing Trump in the election? It's definitely close. I'm not sure who the bigger loser is.

[SeattleGriz]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

Yeah but at least we have unicorns

And Joe isn’t on Tweeter so that’s a plus



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Since Biden has been President, I've literally been shaking the whole time.

[Ivytalk]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

That’s certainly the top 5.

[Ibanez]

Here’s my two questions (because I think we should have begun the extraction process the day we killed Bin Laden)….

1) how do we NOT have a detailed plan in place to get the Afghanis who helped us OUT of the country. They are going to get slaughtered by the Taliban
2) If we’re going to leave billions of dollars in equipment over there, can we not at least disable it so it’s not usable once the Taliban ultimately get their hands on it? I heard of a base they just overran that had hundreds of humvees and drones that they now have in their possession….

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

It’s not uncommon at all. A lot of war material gets left behind. Sometimes for the regional forces or b/c it not worth the cost. I spent a few months receiving gear at MARCOYSYSCOM in Albany, Ga and kearned a lot from those Marines about how much just gets left behind


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[CID1990]

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

It’s not uncommon at all. A lot of war material gets left behind. Sometimes for the regional forces or b/c it not worth the cost. I spent a few months receiving gear at MARCOYSYSCOM in Albany, Ga and kearned a lot from those Marines about how much just gets left behind


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Fuck your Dept of the Navy acronyms

Fuckin navy acronyms

legend holds that there is one that was 27 letter


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[AZGrizFan]

That’s the most mind boggling thing. If we knew the ANA was going to fold like a wet blanket, and whatever was left was going to fall into the hands of the Taliban, why in god’s name wouldn’t we either:
-take the equipment with us?
-destroy it on our way out?
Instead, it was just left for the Taliban. Pure idiocy on the part of whoever made that call..

It’s not uncommon at all. A lot of war material gets left behind. Sometimes for the regional forces or b/c it not worth the cost. I spent a few months receiving gear at MARCOYSYSCOM in Albany, Ga and kearned a lot from those Marines about how much just gets left behind


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Again. I GET that shit gets left behind. But why not put it in a big pile and burn that shit? I mean, leaving it fully operational? KNOWING that the Afghani forces were a joke and that shit was quickly going to end up in Taliban (and then Iranian) hands?

That’s just flat fucking retarded.

[SDHornet]

Biden is following Trump's Taliban plan just like he followed Trump's border plan. He's not. He following the timeline, not the plan.

He is following Trump's plan - the Taliban have not broken Trump's requirements for the withdrawal. What they are doing is within the scope of the agreement that Trump laid out for them. Trump is a lying snake-oil salesman who is full of sh!t when he says that he would have done it differently. His plan is the one being implemented.

Not quite. Everything I've read said Trump wanted out in May. Biden broke that timeline to sell some 9/11 anniversary propaganda...only the Taliban said "hold my kush" so here we are. This Afghanistan embarrassment is 100% on Biden.

[SDHornet]

I hope you realize this sh*tty end to the Afghanistan War began when Trump suddenly pulled 7000 troops out in December 2018. The Afghani government was caught by surprise, our allies were caught by surprise, and by all accounts our own generals had to convince Trump not to bring everyone home which is what he originally wanted to do (that would have been an even more disastrous end).

The sudden withdrawal was the turning point for the Taliban and allowed them to come to the "negotiating" table with the upper hand.

Art of the Deal, right? Suddenly withdraw almost everyone, outline your entire plan ahead of time, and then negotiate.

When were they ever going to be ready? $88 billion in training Afghani troops to protest their country. I'm looking squarely at our military leadership for this failure.

PS. I'm pulling that 88 billion out of one article, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep. It was all a lost cause that served nothing but lining the pockets of the corrupt "Afghani" gubmint and the MIC.

[SDHornet]

Boy Biden is doing awesome..
-China Virus.
-Runaway inflation.
-Skyricketing fuel prices.
-Southern border complete chaos.
-Afghanistan disaster.

What have I left off?

All at BIdens* feet. His voters own these massive "L's" too.

[UNI88]

He is following Trump's plan - the Taliban have not broken Trump's requirements for the withdrawal. What they are doing is within the scope of the agreement that Trump laid out for them. Trump is a lying snake-oil salesman who is full of sh!t when he says that he would have done it differently. His plan is the one being implemented.

Not quite. Everything I've read said Trump wanted out in May. Biden broke that timeline to sell some 9/11 anniversary propaganda...only the Taliban said "hold my kush" so here we are. This Afghanistan embarrassment is 100% on Biden.

It is 100% on Biden but Trump or his MAGAts saying it would have been different if Trump were POTUS are delusional. The only difference is that Jelly and others would have been hammering Trump for his incompetence.

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

And the statement from General Dufus was almost as dumb as Biden’s:

[SDHornet]

Not quite. Everything I've read said Trump wanted out in May. Biden broke that timeline to sell some 9/11 anniversary propaganda...only the Taliban said "hold my kush" so here we are. This Afghanistan embarrassment is 100% on Biden.

It is 100% on Biden but Trump or his MAGAts saying it would have been different if Trump were POTUS are delusional. The only difference is that Jelly and others would have been hammering Trump for his incompetence.

Meh. I don't think the withdrawal under Trump would have been anywhere near this bad, but who knows. Hard to say anything would have been anywhere near as bad as it was under Biden*. Total clusterfuck and he owns it 100%.

[SDHornet]

And the statement from General Dufus was almost as dumb as Biden’s:

Yup, Bidens* woke generals own this fuck up too.