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Re: In a Monopoly... There can be only one

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Grizalltheway wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Fair ^ but still not quite right...

Okay while our Federal government was suing Microsoft in 1995 for monopoly practices
They were suing them because Microsoft had ZERO LOBBY presence in Washington and told the Federal Government to basically fuck off... (interesting to note)

All while this was going on...
The cable industry was lobbying hard for money to build out the USA total infrastructure
at that time there were some 50 plus major cable carriers

SO between 1995 and today the US tax payer spent $50 Billion dollars to buy the worlds greatest hybrid fiber network in Earth...
What the cable companies have delivered for their FREE NETWORK was the 26th ranked QOS network
and they still get about $2 Billion a year of free money to finish the job

3 years ago
The Cable carriers decided to charge more to companies that competed against them
because there was nobody regulating their FREE network

:coffee:

That's a good place to start the debate
Hey, as long as the CEOs get their bonuses and stock options, who really gives a shit about all of this? Free market, baby!
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And we ALL know that deregulation resulted in increased competition in the airline industry indus...wait, well maybe not there...

...but deregulation increased competition in the banking ind...wait, well not there either...

...but easing anti-trust in telecommunications resulted in...wait, less competition...

:?

...um, the moral must be...

...competition is bad...?

Right?
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Re: In a Monopoly... There can be only one

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Pwns wrote:How do you know how much of the money all went to executive bonuses, Chiz?

I found this article from a few years ago that said the telecoms laid 19 million miles of cable in a year. How many miles should they have added?
Uhh, if what Chizz said here is true...
Our Broadband investment dollar ($50 Billion apparently Ain't what it used to be) went partially in the form of bonuses to executives as profit and partially to the build out...
How is that not pertinent to the discussion? :coffee:

Shit, meant to quote Z.
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here's the report bro..

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul ... _final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The World Economic Forum ranked the United States 35th out of 148 countries in Internet bandwidth, a measure of available capacity in a country. Other studies rank the United States anywhere from 14th to 31st in average connection speed.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Pwns wrote:How do you know how much of the money all went to executive bonuses, Chiz?

I found this article from a few years ago that said the telecoms laid 19 million miles of cable in a year. How many miles should they have added?
Uhh, if what Chizz said here is true...
Our Broadband investment dollar ($50 Billion apparently Ain't what it used to be) went partially in the form of bonuses to executives as profit and partially to the build out...
How is that not pertinent to the discussion? :coffee:

Shit, meant to quote Z.
The smallest of the big Broadband Cable providers gave $416 million in bonuses last year

:rofl:

and then there's this

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03 ... st-buyout/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a bad use of TAX DOLLARS :ohno:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Pwns wrote:How do you know how much of the money all went to executive bonuses, Chiz?

I found this article from a few years ago that said the telecoms laid 19 million miles of cable in a year. How many miles should they have added?
Uhh, if what Chizz said here is true...
Our Broadband investment dollar ($50 Billion apparently Ain't what it used to be) went partially in the form of bonuses to executives as profit and partially to the build out...
How is that not pertinent to the discussion? :coffee:

Shit, meant to quote Z.
You can't even get THAT right. :dunce: :dunce:
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Who does the internet belong to?
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kalm wrote:Who does the internet belong to?
in about 18 months the answer to that question will be COMCAST
We paid for it
but they'll own it


and Tom Wheeler will make damn sure of that
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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:Who does the internet belong to?
in about 18 months the answer to that question will be COMCAST
We paid for it
but they'll own it


and Tom Wheeler will make damn sure of that
Any of the "Free Market"eers wanna answer this one or should we put this puppy to rest?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Uhh, if what Chizz said here is true...



How is that not pertinent to the discussion? :coffee:

Shit, meant to quote Z.
You can't even get THAT right. :dunce: :dunce:
That's all ya got, huh? Talk about a red herring. :lol:
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The problem with cable is that out of the 300 channels I have, I only watch about 30. Why do I have to pay for channels that I will never watch? have a plan were you can pick any 50 stations for 39.99 a month. But that's too much like right.
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mrklean wrote:The problem with cable is that out of the 300 channels I have, I only watch about 30.
They have BET in 30 different languages? :suspicious:
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Pwns wrote:
Chizzang wrote: Fair ^ but still not quite right...

Okay while our Federal government was suing Microsoft in 1995 for monopoly practices
They were suing them because Microsoft had ZERO LOBBY presence in Washington and told the Federal Government to basically **** off... (interesting to note)

All while this was going on...
The cable industry was lobbying hard for money to build out the USA total infrastructure
at that time there were some 50 plus major cable carriers

SO between 1995 and today the US tax payer spent $50 Billion dollars to buy the worlds greatest hybrid fiber network in Earth...
What the cable companies have delivered for their FREE NETWORK was the 26th ranked QOS network
and they still get about $2 Billion a year of free money to finish the job


3 years ago
The Cable carriers decided to charge more to companies that competed against them
because there was nobody regulating their FREE network

:coffee:

That's a good place to start the debate
Are these international rankings? I'm going to take a guess and say the countries above us have considerably smaller land area and populations. How much more would we have to spend to have the best QoS compared with, say, Japan or Germany?
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
in about 18 months the answer to that question will be COMCAST
We paid for it
but they'll own it


and Tom Wheeler will make damn sure of that
Any of the "Free Market"eers wanna answer this one or should we put this puppy to rest?
:?

The free market and the FCC?

kalm, you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Any of the "Free Market"eers wanna answer this one or should we put this puppy to rest?
:?

The free market and the FCC?

kalm, you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:
Who does the internet belong to?

For that matter, who does the free market belong to?
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: :?

The free market and the FCC?

kalm, you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:
Who does the internet belong to?

For that matter, who does the free market belong to?
Maybe the same entity Climate Change, or Love, or Democracy belongs to... :shock:

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Who does the internet belong to?

For that matter, who does the free market belong to?
Maybe the same entity Climate Change, or Love, or Democracy belongs to... :shock:

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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: Maybe the same entity Climate Change, or Love, or Democracy belongs to... :shock:

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:

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Exactly…I wouldn't touch that question either if I were you. :nod:
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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:Who does the internet belong to?
in about 18 months the answer to that question will be COMCAST
We paid for it
but they'll own it


and Tom Wheeler will make damn sure of that
Wait, are you saying that America has a couple of companies that benefit from American tax dollars paving the way to their profitability? :o

Shocking!

Round up the usual suspects!

Let's see, we use our carriers (paid for by our tax dollars), our warplanes (paid for by our tax dollars), our soliders (paid for by our tax dollars, and whom we we send out to be killed), our bombs (paid for by our tax dollars), to pave the way for the oil companies. And we do the same thing so that we can get our hands on other valuable commodities, so that Microsoft and Googlicious can have phones and computers built with cheap overseas labor so that everyone can purchase items that enslave them to the interweb.

We prop up gas prices, and food prices, with special interest Ethonol, we spend our tax dollars for a water supply to support some West Coast hippy farmers...and their megacorporation brothers, we...



Oh wait, you were saying something about spending tax dollars to help corporations make profits. Carry on. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
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Exactly…I wouldn't touch that question either if I were you. :nod:
One dumb question deserved one in return.
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Exactly…I wouldn't touch that question either if I were you. :nod:
One dumb question deserved one in return.
Again, nothing. Who does the internet belong to?

I'm just trying to help you work through this. :thumb:
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Here's another article

http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/835266 ... -cable-fcc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Comcast bankrolls organizations that support the Time Warner Cable merger

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Our Federal Government is a monopoly. And you have absolutely NO choice as an individual with respect to giving it the money it wants from you.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Our Federal Government is a monopoly. And you have absolutely NO choice as an individual with respect to giving it the money it wants from you.
True... but completely Irrelevant to the conversation
Also irrelevant: Sometimes it Rains even when the weatherman says its not going to...

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