The Official "Making America Woke Again" Thread

[HI54UNI]

It's not that we left - we had to leave. We knew the "peace" wouldn't last. It's the way we left which has endangered so many lives and has already taken lives as people are so desperate to flee that they're holding on to the tires of C17s just to try and escape.

Well as I've said earlier, I'd like an investigation into what happened with regards to intelligence.

Again as I've said, the buck stops at the CIC but I'm pretty sure the decisions were made with info that the US had months to evacuate people. Biden is a civilian leader and can only do with what's given to him. It's not only the US that was caught off-guard either.

Where in the chain of information did it go so wrong? Gathering, analysis, distribution, decision making, etc?

I can agree with this to a point. We'll see if Biden has the balls to start firing people. My guess is no.

And as far as people not caring - just wait a few months until there's evidence that some of the equipment left behind was used to kill American troops or is used in some kind of terror attack. This is not going to end well.

[Ivytalk]

Yeah - my friends are lefty but with the exception of 1, aren't dyed in the wool Democrats.

I think you are underestimating this situation. You honestly believe that a botched exit that now has the very people we were sent to "free" clinging to C17s and dying is "not that big of a deal?" You think the ~18k (someone feel free to correct me. I think that's the # I read earlier.) Afghan's that worked with us who are now either in hiding, trying to flee or already rounded up and awaiting to be murdered not a big deal?

I think you're being extremely naive, Trip.

I have a few die-hard Dems as friends and they are suspiciously quite all of a sudden on FB. They loved touting everything else Biden does but on this there is just silence.

Any reasonable human being does not enjoy seeing others suffer and the mere fact that we have a segment of our society that is not moved by people risking their lives to leave as they know they (and their family's) will be tortured and at best just shot, says alot about them.

After all, they got done dehumanizing one group of people, it is pretty easy to dehumanize the next one.

Well said, WB.

[Ibanez]

Yeah - my friends are lefty but with the exception of 1, aren't dyed in the wool Democrats.

I think you are underestimating this situation. You honestly believe that a botched exit that now has the very people we were sent to "free" clinging to C17s and dying is "not that big of a deal?" You think the ~18k (someone feel free to correct me. I think that's the # I read earlier.) Afghan's that worked with us who are now either in hiding, trying to flee or already rounded up and awaiting to be murdered not a big deal?

I think you're being extremely naive, Trip.

I have a few die-hard Dems as friends and they are suspiciously quite all of a sudden on FB. They loved touting everything else Biden does but on this there is just silence.

Any reasonable human being does not enjoy seeing others suffer and the mere fact that we have a segment of our society that is not moved by people risking their lives to leave as they know they (and their family's) will be tortured and at best just shot, says alot about them.

After all, they got done dehumanizing one group of people, it is pretty easy to dehumanize the next one.

You've said it well, my friend.

[kalm]

Yeah - my friends are lefty but with the exception of 1, aren't dyed in the wool Democrats.

I think you are underestimating this situation. You honestly believe that a botched exit that now has the very people we were sent to "free" clinging to C17s and dying is "not that big of a deal?" You think the ~18k (someone feel free to correct me. I think that's the # I read earlier.) Afghan's that worked with us who are now either in hiding, trying to flee or already rounded up and awaiting to be murdered not a big deal?

I think you're being extremely naive, Trip.

I have a few die-hard Dems as friends and they are suspiciously quite all of a sudden on FB. They loved touting everything else Biden does but on this there is just silence.

Any reasonable human being does not enjoy seeing others suffer and the mere fact that we have a segment of our society that is not moved by people risking their lives to leave as they know they (and their family's) will be tortured and at best just shot, says alot about them.

After all, they got done dehumanizing one group of people, it is pretty easy to dehumanize the next one.

That shoe fits the right foot as well. Most Americans talk a good game when it comes to caring but we continue to support a system that creates these events.

This sums it up nicely...

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I don't disagree with the sentiments, but I feel a lot of crocodile tears from that post.

[BDKJMU]

And, over and over again, Biden makes exactly the wrong decision. He makes the Jimmy Carter administration look like the apex of competence. And Caramel Harris would be even worse. What a deep national bench the Democrats have. Might as well put JSO in there.

Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

Infrastructure not passed yet (majority of the plan isn’t real infrastruture anyway)..

-China Virus plan a disaster.
-Border an unmitigated disaster.
-Runaway inflation.
-Surging gas prices
-Afghanistan debacle.
etc, wtc, etc

But sounds like you think your demented boy is doing just swell..

[Winterborn]

I have a few die-hard Dems as friends and they are suspiciously quite all of a sudden on FB. They loved touting everything else Biden does but on this there is just silence.

Any reasonable human being does not enjoy seeing others suffer and the mere fact that we have a segment of our society that is not moved by people risking their lives to leave as they know they (and their family's) will be tortured and at best just shot, says alot about them.

After all, they got done dehumanizing one group of people, it is pretty easy to dehumanize the next one.

That shoe fits the right foot as well. Most Americans talk a good game when it comes to caring but we continue to support a system that creates these events.

This sums it up nicely...

I do not disagree that both sides do it. To varying extents. And the key word that we could spend hours arguing about is "varying".

Though it is my belief that one side is much more adapt and successful at using it.

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@BDK

I can't say I'm particularly disappointed with Biden besides a few instances (including now). He's not as liberal as I want, but he's leaned more left than I thought. Although I'd like a push to end the filibuster, expand the court, pass voting reform, codify abortion rights, and pass the Green New Deal.

Covid is and has been a disaster purely because of modern day conservatives and their "freedom" schtick.

The border has always been the right wing's boogeyman. Even if it is an issue, I'm for an EU-style system with all of the Americas so at least for me, border is low on my priority list. I couldn't care less if it was completely open.

Not sure where I see runaway inflation besides the temporary effects of the pandemic (which conservatives are perpetuating). I experienced worse inflation under Trump with his trade tariffs.

I would love to see gas prices rise even more. Stop fossil fuel subsidization, buy more fuel efficient vehicles, build more public transportation. $3 is way too cheap. Americans have been coddled with cheap gas for way too long with complete disregard to the environmental ramifications.

I agree that Afghanistan exit is a debacle, but I'm glad we're out.

[GannonFan]

You've definitely got different leftie friends than me then. It's a point of discussion, but no one meaningfully cares about the botched withdrawal. Most are happy we're out (which I am). Honestly, I find this as a mistake but it's not that big of a deal. It was going to end in a mess regardless, and in a way I'm glad it ends this way so Americans can see the tragedy of war.

Also I just got into work and it doesn't seem to be a big deal around the water cooler either.

You're really overestimating how much the average American cares beyond a few days or weeks.

Dude, that's cold, even for you. People are falling to their deaths as they desperately cling to the wheels of aircraft and to you it's not a big deal and you're actually happy about it because it can feed a message board narrative you've been wanting to spin. Ice cold.

[kalm]

That shoe fits the right foot as well. Most Americans talk a good game when it comes to caring but we continue to support a system that creates these events.

This sums it up nicely...

I do not disagree that both sides do it. To varying extents. And the key word that we could spend hours arguing about is "varying".

Though it is my belief that one side is much more adapt and successful at using it.

At what? Dehumanizing?

Okedokey.

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@GF

Crocodile. Tears.

These are the policies you all voted for, for years and years. These wars have killed hundreds of thousands of people, injured even more, and have contributed to economic/social gaps abroad and at home.

I've been railing against the horrors of the military industrial complex and America's imperialism or fifteen years on this board and now that post makes you upset? Spare me the false sympathy.

The US created this. You are the United States. I am the United States. We all bare some responsibility.

[CAA Flagship]

Too bad Joe Biden, Sr. didn't pull out early.

[Winterborn]

I do not disagree that both sides do it. To varying extents. And the key word that we could spend hours arguing about is "varying".

Though it is my belief that one side is much more adapt and successful at using it.

At what? Dehumanizing?

Okedokey.

That was my assumption. Did I assume wrong?

Both sides like to point out that the other is evil and if we only do x then y will happen and put them in their place.

[BDKJMU]

Like a good sockpuppet, I wouldn't expect you to say anything less.

I can admit when elected officials fuck up. This is the first major mistake, besides not pushing to end the filibuster, that President Biden's made.

We can’t fix or prevent what’s happening in Afghanistan. Americans wanted out. Period. End of story.

It looks like hot garbage now (because it is), but he's the only President to have the balls to follow through and end it.

[BDKJMU]

It’s not uncommon at all. A lot of war material gets left behind. Sometimes for the regional forces or b/c it not worth the cost. I spent a few months receiving gear at MARCOYSYSCOM in Albany, Ga and kearned a lot from those Marines about how much just gets left behind


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Again. I GET that shit gets left behind. But why not put it in a big pile and burn that shit? I mean, leaving it fully operational? KNOWING that the Afghani forces were a joke and that shit was quickly going to end up in Taliban (and then Iranian) hands?

That’s just flat fucking retarded.

Yep. Some generals need to be fired. Sec Def too.

[GannonFan]

@GF

Crocodile. Tears.

These are the policies you all voted for, for years and years. These wars have killed hundreds of thousands of people, injured even more, and have contributed to economic/social gaps abroad and at home.

I've been railing against the horrors of the military industrial complex and America's imperialism or fifteen years on this board and now that post makes you upset? Spare me the false sympathy.

The US created this. You are the United States. I am the United States. We all bare some responsibility.

Spare me the sanctimony. Where in any of your holier-than-thou posts over the past couple of days have you even spared a moment to consider that the military industrial complex and American imperialism have had next to nothing to do with the existence of a violent and repressive fundamentalist Muslim regime that is the Taliban? You give us way too much credit to think that violent oppression of women (which I'm sure you're happy about as well since you love misery) by groups like this is almost solely the result of American elections. The view must be great from behind your keyboard.

[SDHornet]

It is 100% on Biden but Trump or his MAGAts saying it would have been different if Trump were POTUS are delusional. The only difference is that Jelly and others would have been hammering Trump for his incompetence.

Nope. Trump batted 100% with all his Middle East stuff. Everyone said he would start a war, but he proved them all wrong.

The Taliban would have behaved until they got their country back if it was Trump.

That was the deal, then Biden fucked it all up.

[SDHornet]

Biden* Bombs.

kinda graphic.

Spoiler: show

[SDHornet]

I only have one friend who served in Afghanistan (Marines) and this was his message to me yesterday:

"He should have handled the withdrawal better but he's [Biden] right. If the Afghan people won't fight for themselves, what were we supposed to do? A perpetual occupation? Sometimes you have to rip the band-aid off. Hopefully it serves as a lesson to future leaders that it's not America's job to police the world. (I know, it won't.)"

I actually have drinks with him on Friday.

The Afghan people were NEVER going to defend themselves. We spent all that time and money training forces that surrendered at the drop of a hat. And on top of that, we failed to protect human lives. Fuck the country going back to tribalism. If that's what they want then have it. But we failed to secure human lives. We signed thousands of death warrants and that's a big deal. It's meaningful to a lot of people.

It's not that we left - we had to leave. We knew the "peace" wouldn't last. It's the way we left which has endangered so many lives and has already taken lives as people are so desperate to flee that they're holding on to the tires of C17s just to try and escape.

This. Trip is also not paying attention to the message this send to our allies which is probably the most damaging part (aside from the thousands that will directly die at the hand of the Taliban thanks to Bidens* poor planning). What an albatross around Bidens* and the progressives neck.

Going to enjoy watching the spin on this from the left though.

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@GF

Crocodile. Tears.

These are the policies you all voted for, for years and years. These wars have killed hundreds of thousands of people, injured even more, and have contributed to economic/social gaps abroad and at home.

I've been railing against the horrors of the military industrial complex and America's imperialism or fifteen years on this board and now that post makes you upset? Spare me the false sympathy.

The US created this. You are the United States. I am the United States. We all bare some responsibility.

Spare me the sanctimony. Where in any of your holier-than-thou posts over the past couple of days have you even spared a moment to consider that the military industrial complex and American imperialism have had next to nothing to do with the existence of a violent and repressive fundamentalist Muslim regime that is the Taliban? You give us way too much credit to think that violent oppression of women (which I'm sure you're happy about as well since you love misery) by groups like this is almost solely the result of American elections. The view must be great from behind your keyboard.

Go cry me a river.

We put up and even dealt with the Taliban (who warned us of 9/11) until we decided this war must continue for "freedom" (aka. more money funneled upwards). Suddenly the Taliban was the enemy.

You act as if we're not dealing with, or even allied with awful regimes around the world. Hell, the US armed radical insurgency groups like the Taliban to topple the Democratic Republic or Afghanistan... because they were socialist.

[SDHornet]

Too bad Joe Biden, Sr. didn't pull out early.

[SDHornet]

Thanks Biden*.

[SDHornet]

Pulling out of Afghanistan, Covid relief plan, and infrastructure plan passed. If this isn’t “America First,” I don’t know what is. While the evacuation was definitely a fuck-up, after the dumpster fire of the last four years, it's very low on the list of things I'll consider in future elections.

I highly doubt Americans care as much as we believe either. Afghanistan was the forgotten war and the public wanted America out; Biden will take a hit for the optics but the way he responds to the failure is as important as the failure itself. Adults admit mistakes.

It’s painful to watch but getting out was still the right call. The big mistake is that it should have happened a long, long time ago.

Infrastructure not passed yet (majority of the plan isn’t real infrastruture anyway)..

-China Virus plan a disaster.
-Border an unmitigated disaster.
-Runaway inflation.
-Surging gas prices
-Afghanistan debacle.
etc, wtc, etc

But sounds like you think your demented boy is doing just swell..

[SDHornet]

Intel throwing Biden* under the bus. This gonna be good. Hey Trip and Jon, any excuses for Biden* now?

"[U.S.] leaders were told by the military it would take no time at all for the Taliban to take everything," an anonymous U.S. intelligence official told ABC News. "No one listened."

"The intelligence community assessment has always been accurate; they just disregarded it," the official told ABC News, speaking about the Biden administration.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/afghanistans- ... d=79470553

[∞∞∞]

Intel throwing Biden* under the bus. This gonna be good. Hey Trip and Jon, any excuses for Biden* now?

"[U.S.] leaders were told by the military it would take no time at all for the Taliban to take everything," an anonymous U.S. intelligence official told ABC News. "No one listened."

"The intelligence community assessment has always been accurate; they just disregarded it," the official told ABC News, speaking about the Biden administration.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/afghanistans- ... d=79470553

As I've said multiple times, let's investigate.

I don't know where you think I'm defending Biden here. I'd like the facts to play out before we throw anyone under the bus, and this is the exact reason why we have Congressional hearings.

If the statement is true, who exactly are the leaders that disregarded it? Was it generals? Biden? Others in the chain?