Trump continues to prove...

[dbackjon]

Yes. Look at how he masterfully handled Egypt, Libya, Crimea, Iraq, and Syria. Obama is a genius.

And what would you have done differently? Invade? Cost the US Trillions more wasted money, thousands of US lives lost for nothing?


Much more intelligent than those that want to invade Russia or Iran (I'm looking at you, GOP POTUS candidates)

[ASUG8]

Obama has shown he is much better at foreign policy than any GOP war-monger.

Just the cold hard facts.

Oh. My. God. I really hope you're kidding.

This is your biggest troll post in a while, my friend.



He just directed Kerry to cease economic sanctions on a country that wants to kill all the Zionists in exchange for allowing them to self-police their own non-proliferation efforts.

[D1B]

conks

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

And we know he isn't pregnant.

What a bunch of dicks!

A joke isn't funny if you have to explain it.

[Chizzang]

Obama has shown he is much better at foreign policy than any GOP war-monger.

Just the cold hard facts.

Oh. My. God. I really hope you're kidding.

This is your biggest troll post in a while, my friend.



He just directed Kerry to cease economic sanctions on a country that wants to kill all the Zionists in exchange for allowing them to self-police their own non-proliferation efforts.

You might want to actually double check the factual portions of the treaty
Not just the non-factual talking points which have been getting a lot more play than the treaty itself

Firstly understanding that we cannot actually STOP a sovereign Nation from any technology building
See: Pakistan and North Korea as example A and B



http://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-f ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CID1990]

Yes. Look at how he masterfully handled Egypt, Libya, Crimea, Iraq, and Syria. Obama is a genius.

And what would you have done differently? Invade? Cost the US Trillions more wasted money, thousands of US lives lost for nothing?


Much more intelligent than those that want to invade Russia or Iran (I'm looking at you, GOP POTUS candidates)

thats easy- nothing. I would have done nothing. And nobody is calling for invasions of iran or russia

besides, we're BFFs now anyway, right? We gave ol Sergey that Smart Power TM Rest Button with the automatic garden hose suction and Russia started playing nice. Remember?

we've been over this before

[Bronco]

Anytime in the past when I've had someone pressuring me to sign something...it has never been for my benefit.
Mistake

[YoUDeeMan]

Yes. Look at how he masterfully handled Egypt, Libya, Crimea, Iraq, and Syria. Obama is a genius.

And what would you have done differently? Invade? Cost the US Trillions more wasted money, thousands of US lives lost for nothing?


Much more intelligent than those that want to invade Russia or Iran (I'm looking at you, GOP POTUS candidates)

Typical limited thinking displayed by dbackdoor.

"Yeah, we're doing crappy, but at least we're not doing crappier as the boogieman...so by that measure, we are doing great!"

Welcome to Detroit's way of thinking.

dback's new book: How to think Like a Loser While Pretending to Be Successful


And nothing is more expensive than to live a life of low expectations.

[kalm]

What a bunch of dicks!

A joke isn't funny if you have to explain it.

Oh I got it. Period.

[kalm]

And what would you have done differently? Invade? Cost the US Trillions more wasted money, thousands of US lives lost for nothing?


Much more intelligent than those that want to invade Russia or Iran (I'm looking at you, GOP POTUS candidates)

thats easy- nothing. I would have done nothing. And nobody is calling for invasions of iran or russia

besides, we're BFFs now anyway, right? We gave ol Sergey that Smart Power TM Rest Button with the automatic garden hose suction and Russia started playing nice. Remember?

we've been over this before

What do you think will be the long term ramifications of Obama's actions in Libya, Syria, Russia, Egypt, and Iran?

[93henfan]

thats easy- nothing. I would have done nothing. And nobody is calling for invasions of iran or russia

besides, we're BFFs now anyway, right? We gave ol Sergey that Smart Power TM Rest Button with the automatic garden hose suction and Russia started playing nice. Remember?

we've been over this before

What do you think will be the long term ramifications of Obama's actions in Libya, Syria, Russia, Egypt, and Iran?

[kalm]

What do you think will be the long term ramifications of Obama's actions in Libya, Syria, Russia, Egypt, and Iran?

Obama did all that? Whatta fucker!

[93henfan]

[kalm]

This cracked me up.

[93henfan]

This cracked me up.

It never gets old. I think bandle used it first back in the Dubya days. I like to give credit where due.

[CAA Flagship]

Oh. My. God. I really hope you're kidding.

This is your biggest troll post in a while, my friend.



He just directed Kerry to cease economic sanctions on a country that wants to kill all the Zionists in exchange for allowing them to self-police their own non-proliferation efforts.

You might want to actually double check the factual portions of the treaty
Not just the non-factual talking points which have been getting a lot more play than the treaty itself

Firstly understanding that we cannot actually STOP a sovereign Nation from any technology building
See: Pakistan and North Korea as example A and B



http://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-f ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So why should we give them money and lift sanctions?

[CID1990]

You might want to actually double check the factual portions of the treaty
Not just the non-factual talking points which have been getting a lot more play than the treaty itself

Firstly understanding that we cannot actually STOP a sovereign Nation from any technology building
See: Pakistan and North Korea as example A and B



http://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-f ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So why should we give them money and lift sanctions?

A billions of dollars shot in the arm to the #1 card carrying state sponsor of Islamic terrorism

It's a brilliant stroke that- surely they'll be our friends now out of sheer gratitude

[Chizzang]

So why should we give them money and lift sanctions?

A billions of dollars shot in the arm to the #1 card carrying state sponsor of Islamic terrorism

It's a brilliant stroke that- surely they'll be our friends now out of sheer gratitude

To date we've given $125 Billion to Israel
a billion is a rounding error - just ask AZ
That's what he said when the pentagon misplaced $10 billion - we still can't find it

What I'm waiting for is any of you smart guys to tell my EXACTLY what is wrong with the treaty
Feel free to "READ UP" on it first - because I assure you I have been

Proceed...

Pro Tip: Hannity and Rush haven't actually read the treaty - so I wouldn't look there for your information

[CID1990]

A billions of dollars shot in the arm to the #1 card carrying state sponsor of Islamic terrorism

It's a brilliant stroke that- surely they'll be our friends now out of sheer gratitude

To date we've given $125 Billion to Israel
a billion is a rounding error - just ask AZ
That's what he said when the pentagon misplaced $10 billion - we still can't find it

What I'm waiting for is any of you smart guys to tell my EXACTLY what is wrong with the treaty
Feel free to "READ UP" on it first - because I assure you I have been

Proceed...

Pro Tip: Hannity and Rush haven't actually read the treaty - so I wouldn't look there for your information

Oh Israel - yeah

That was a nice irrelevant misdirect, clitz. I'd expect that out of houndawg

But since you bring it up - I'm also not a fan of the gravy train we provide to Israel, either. But we are talking about Iran here - the country that funds and give marching orders to numerous terrorist organizations - Hezboallah being foremost among them. There's also that inconvenient problem of them constantly reminding Israel that they will wipe them off the map.

I don't know about you but when Islamist say they are going to hurt you, I have found its best to take them at their word

And don't be silly. Of course I've read the stipulations of the "deal" (it isn't a treaty) - and I read the daily guidance on talking points. Did you read somewhere that sanctions relief isn't going to happen IF Iran somehow reneges in this deal? (Hint: relief is already happening)

[Chizzang]

To date we've given $125 Billion to Israel
a billion is a rounding error - just ask AZ
That's what he said when the pentagon misplaced $10 billion - we still can't find it

What I'm waiting for is any of you smart guys to tell my EXACTLY what is wrong with the treaty
Feel free to "READ UP" on it first - because I assure you I have been

Proceed...

Pro Tip: Hannity and Rush haven't actually read the treaty - so I wouldn't look there for your information

Oh Israel - yeah

That was a nice irrelevant misdirect, clitz. I'd expect that out of houndawg

But since you bring it up - I'm also not a fan of the gravy train we provide to Israel, either. But we are talking about Iran here - the country that funds and give marching orders to numerous terrorist organizations - Hezboallah being foremost among them. There's also that inconvenient problem of them constantly reminding Israel that they will wipe them off the map.

I don't know about you but when Islamist say they are going to hurt you, I have found its best to take them at their word

And don't be silly. Of course I've read the stipulations of the "deal" (it isn't a treaty) - and I read the daily guidance on talking points. Did you read somewhere that sanctions relief isn't going to happen IF Iran somehow reneges in this deal? (Hint: relief is already happening)

I still don't see you pointing out what exactly is wrong with the deal...
please identify something exactly - stop being vague - it makes me think you have NOTHING

Point NOT being made on FOX News:
No aspect of the agreement prevents the United States from maintaining or implementing new sanctions on Iran for its behavior.

"The U.S. has made it clear that it will continue to punish Iran for its human rights abuses and support for terrorism. The U.S. has continued to target actors associated with Iran’s terrorism activities for sanctions throughout the negotiations. As Adam Szubin, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Crimes at the Department of Treasury stated in a recent Senate Banking Committee hearing, “Under the Interim deal, while negotiations were ongoing, we took action against more than a hundred Iranian-linked targets, and we will be accelerating that work in the days and months ahead, alongside Israel and our regional allies to combat Iran’s proxies, to interdict funds moving through its illicit networks.”

If any Republican wrote this deal you guys would love it...



Also: The Republican controlled congress is involved...
the onus will be on Congress to approve and appropriate adequate funding for the IAEA in order for the deal to be properly implemented and to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

if they don't like it at any point they can de-fund it and implement additional sanctions or revert to the way things were - or have been ...

[CID1990]

Oh Israel - yeah

That was a nice irrelevant misdirect, clitz. I'd expect that out of houndawg

But since you bring it up - I'm also not a fan of the gravy train we provide to Israel, either. But we are talking about Iran here - the country that funds and give marching orders to numerous terrorist organizations - Hezboallah being foremost among them. There's also that inconvenient problem of them constantly reminding Israel that they will wipe them off the map.

I don't know about you but when Islamist say they are going to hurt you, I have found its best to take them at their word

And don't be silly. Of course I've read the stipulations of the "deal" (it isn't a treaty) - and I read the daily guidance on talking points. Did you read somewhere that sanctions relief isn't going to happen IF Iran somehow reneges in this deal? (Hint: relief is already happening)

I still don't see you pointing out what exactly is wrong with the deal...
please identify something exactly - stop being vague - it makes me think you have NOTHING

What I have is an opinion on the deal that is based on my knowledge of the deal itself, and a crazy idea that the Iranians cannot be trusted. Beyond that, check your PM

[Chizzang]

I still don't see you pointing out what exactly is wrong with the deal...
please identify something exactly - stop being vague - it makes me think you have NOTHING

What I have is an opinion on the deal that is based on my knowledge of the deal itself, and a crazy idea that the Iranians cannot be trusted. Beyond that, check your PM

Oh Really... Duh, you mean Iran can't be trusted
And you're the only person who thought of that



The deal is not based on trust; it’s based on verification.
The IAEA will have 24/7 access to Iran’s nuclear facilities and will be closely monitoring Iran’s supply chain of nuclear materials, centrifuge production lines, and any purchases that might be used for a nuclear program. The deal also provides timely inspections to any undeclared facilities where suspected nuclear activity may be occurring.

If Iran does cheat sanctions will be re-imposed.

There are also aspects of the deal that Iran can’t easily undo. Iran must dismantle two-thirds of its installed centrifuges, remove 98% of its uranium stockpile, and permanently alter the Arak Plutonium reactor before it receives any relief from economic sanctions. These actions will be verified by the IAEA and will greatly increase the time it would take Iran to obtain weapons-grade nuclear material.

The deal goes to great lengths to buttress major points of the agreement. For example, the deal does not just put limitations on centrifuge production, it also puts limitations on rotor production, and on the machines that make the rotors. The subsidiary commitments that Iran has made for the agreement are truly impressive.

Rejecting this deal means no restrictions, no verification, and no inspections of Iran’s nuclear program. Even if Iran cheats, we’ll know far more about Iran’s nuclear activities than we do now. And that will mean that all of the alternatives—including the least desirable, military action—will be more effective.

[CID1990]

What I have is an opinion on the deal that is based on my knowledge of the deal itself, and a crazy idea that the Iranians cannot be trusted. Beyond that, check your PM

Oh Really... Duh, you mean Iran can't be trusted
And you're the only person who thought of that



The deal is not based on trust; it’s based on verification.
The IAEA will have 24/7 access to Iran’s nuclear facilities and will be closely monitoring Iran’s supply chain of nuclear materials, centrifuge production lines, and any purchases that might be used for a nuclear program. The deal also provides timely inspections to any undeclared facilities where suspected nuclear activity may be occurring.

If Iran does cheat sanctions will be re-imposed.

There are also aspects of the deal that Iran can’t easily undo. Iran must dismantle two-thirds of its installed centrifuges, remove 98% of its uranium stockpile, and permanently alter the Arak Plutonium reactor before it receives any relief from economic sanctions. These actions will be verified by the IAEA and will greatly increase the time it would take Iran to obtain weapons-grade nuclear material.

The deal goes to great lengths to buttress major points of the agreement. For example, the deal does not just put limitations on centrifuge production, it also puts limitations on rotor production, and on the machines that make the rotors. The subsidiary commitments that Iran has made for the agreement are truly impressive.

Rejecting this deal means no restrictions, no verification, and no inspections of Iran’s nuclear program. Even if Iran cheats, we’ll know far more about Iran’s nuclear activities than we do now. And that will mean that all of the alternatives—including the least desirable, military action—will be more effective.

Well, PM aside- the sanctions are done, Cleets- China and Russia will stymie any attempts to reintroduce them.

[Chizzang]

Oh Really... Duh, you mean Iran can't be trusted
And you're the only person who thought of that



The deal is not based on trust; it’s based on verification.
The IAEA will have 24/7 access to Iran’s nuclear facilities and will be closely monitoring Iran’s supply chain of nuclear materials, centrifuge production lines, and any purchases that might be used for a nuclear program. The deal also provides timely inspections to any undeclared facilities where suspected nuclear activity may be occurring.

If Iran does cheat sanctions will be re-imposed.

There are also aspects of the deal that Iran can’t easily undo. Iran must dismantle two-thirds of its installed centrifuges, remove 98% of its uranium stockpile, and permanently alter the Arak Plutonium reactor before it receives any relief from economic sanctions. These actions will be verified by the IAEA and will greatly increase the time it would take Iran to obtain weapons-grade nuclear material.

The deal goes to great lengths to buttress major points of the agreement. For example, the deal does not just put limitations on centrifuge production, it also puts limitations on rotor production, and on the machines that make the rotors. The subsidiary commitments that Iran has made for the agreement are truly impressive.

Rejecting this deal means no restrictions, no verification, and no inspections of Iran’s nuclear program. Even if Iran cheats, we’ll know far more about Iran’s nuclear activities than we do now. And that will mean that all of the alternatives—including the least desirable, military action—will be more effective.

Well, PM aside- the sanctions are done, Cleets- China and Russia will stymie any attempts to reintroduce them.

So, you're saying our two least trusted world partners (China and Russia) are not to be trusted either..?
I bet nobody thought of that either



Thank goodness we have you around doing the ground-breaking thinking
of the things nobody's ever thought of before

[CID1990]

Well, PM aside- the sanctions are done, Cleets- China and Russia will stymie any attempts to reintroduce them.

So, you're saying our two least trusted world partners (China and Russia) are not to be trusted either..?
I bet nobody thought of that either



Thank goodness we have you around doing the ground-breaking thinking
of the things nobody's ever thought of before

who peed in your cornflakes this morning, mister poopy?

you hear those complaints often because they are correct

are you saying that there is an automatic provision for reintroducing sanctions? because I havent seen one- and the Russians and Chinese both have a really big veto stamp