Possible effects of poll testing

[JohnStOnge]

Jesus, John, all this verbal flatulence about a problem that doesn't even exist except in your brain. You cling desperately to your racist explanations but the simple fact is that there just aren't that many people that think like you.

What I'm really getting at is the same old same old when discussions like this come up. My perception based on many years of interacting with people in political discussions, looking at the internet, etc., is that there are many people on the "liberal/progressive" or Democratic Party side of things who think that voting on the part of the least knowledgeable, least informed, etc., favors the Republican Party. The opposite is the case. It favors the Democratic Party. In fact, it is crucial to the Democratic Party.

[kalm]

Jesus, John, all this verbal flatulence about a problem that doesn't even exist except in your brain. You cling desperately to your racist explanations but the simple fact is that there just aren't that many people that think like you.

What I'm really getting at is the same old same old when discussions like this come up. My perception based on many years of interacting with people in political discussions, looking at the internet, etc., is that there are many people on the "liberal/progressive" or Democratic Party side of things who think that voting on the part of the least knowledgeable, least informed, etc., favors the Republican Party. The opposite is the case. It favors the Democratic Party. In fact, it is crucial to the Democratic Party.

Except for the Asians, Jews, gays, and smarter coloreds.

[houndawg]

Right. But Asians are still smarter and vote mostly Democratic.

The group that really gets me is the Jews in the United States. Very high IQ distribution. They tend to do well economically so they've got big targets on their backs as far as the Democratic Party is concerned. They are disproportionately represented among "the rich" group that the Democratic Party likes to demonize. And in my opinion the Democratic Party has made it clear that it is hostile to Jews. Also I'm pretty confident that if you were to ask most people running things in the Jewish State which major party they would rather see in power in the United States they're would say "the Republicans." Yet American Jews consistently vote majority Democrat; usually by somewhere around a 2 to 1 margin.

Not that big a factor in the elections because they're only about 3% of voters. But to me one of the political picture's greatest mysteries. Jews in the United States consistently voting majority Democrat makes absolutely no sense. It's like a death wish or something.

It makes complete sense John. The Jews understand with crystal clarity that the people who make their living off of war and who financed a certain political leader and his "final solution" are still firmly in control and that they have pretty good reason not to trust them.

[houndawg]

Jesus, John, all this verbal flatulence about a problem that doesn't even exist except in your brain. You cling desperately to your racist explanations but the simple fact is that there just aren't that many people that think like you.

What I'm really getting at is the same old same old when discussions like this come up. My perception based on many years of interacting with people in political discussions, looking at the internet, etc., is that there are many people on the "liberal/progressive" or Democratic Party side of things who think that voting on the part of the least knowledgeable, least informed, etc., favors the Republican Party. The opposite is the case. It favors the Democratic Party. In fact, it is crucial to the Democratic Party.

Thats the root of your confusion John. You need to get out of the house a bit more.

[JohnStOnge]

What I'm really getting at is the same old same old when discussions like this come up. My perception based on many years of interacting with people in political discussions, looking at the internet, etc., is that there are many people on the "liberal/progressive" or Democratic Party side of things who think that voting on the part of the least knowledgeable, least informed, etc., favors the Republican Party. The opposite is the case. It favors the Democratic Party. In fact, it is crucial to the Democratic Party.

Except for the Asians, Jews, gays, and smarter coloreds.

You're missing the point; probably intentionally. Yes, there are smart people who vote for Democrats. But that doesn't change that fact that, of the two major parties, the Democratic Party is the one that relies on support among a substantial majority of the least intelligent, least informed, least educated, etc. The Democratic Party relies very heavily on that and could not be nationally competitive without it.

[houndawg]

Except for the Asians, Jews, gays, and smarter coloreds.

You're missing the point; probably intentionally. Yes, there are smart people who vote for Democrats. But that doesn't change that fact that, of the two major parties, the Democratic Party is the one that relies on support among a substantial majority of the least intelligent, least informed, least educated, etc. The Democratic Party relies very heavily on that and could not be nationally competitive without it.

Couldn't be more wrong, Johno. You really couldn't.

[JohnStOnge]

You're missing the point; probably intentionally. Yes, there are smart people who vote for Democrats. But that doesn't change that fact that, of the two major parties, the Democratic Party is the one that relies on support among a substantial majority of the least intelligent, least informed, least educated, etc. The Democratic Party relies very heavily on that and could not be nationally competitive without it.

Couldn't be more wrong, Johno. You really couldn't.

You're kidding yourself.

[Chizzang]

You're missing the point; probably intentionally. Yes, there are smart people who vote for Democrats. But that doesn't change that fact that, of the two major parties, the Democratic Party is the one that relies on support among a substantial majority of the least intelligent, least informed, least educated, etc. The Democratic Party relies very heavily on that and could not be nationally competitive without it.

John,
Fanatically watching FOX News does not make one "more informed" or "more intelligent"

[CAA Flagship]

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[JohnStOnge]

ohn,
Fanatically watching FOX News does not make one "more informed" or "more intelligent"

It's not that. I've been following the question of variation in IQ for a lot longer than Fox News has been around. And I look at other indications of aptitude and knowledge level as well. Also look at the results of exit polls. And to me there's no way you could look at all the information and not conclude that the Democrats benefit from voting on the part of the least intelligent (at least as measured by IQ and aptitude tests) and informed.

You can start off with ethnicity. I know people don't like to deal with that. But if you Google around I think you will find that there isn't any disagreement with the assertion that American Blacks and Hispanics have substantially lower IQs than the general population. You'll see arguments that it's because of environmental rather than hereditary factors. But I don't think you'll see arguments that they don't have low average IQs. I think it's fair to say that the average for Blacks is about 85 and the average for Hispanics is about 90. Given that, if you were to say that people at to be in at least what would be considered within the "normal range" (plus or minus one standard deviation of the mean) of IQ could vote, only about 50% of Blacks and about 75% of Hispanics would be eligible to vote. Meanwhile, Whites have an average of around 102. that means about 87 percent of Whites would be eligible to vote.

Now, can you imagine what would happen if only 50% of Blacks and 75% of Hispanics were eligible to vote while 87% of Whites were eligible to vote? Yes I know there's some uncertainty in there with respect to which 13% of Whites would drop out but c'mon. Romney beat Obama by 20 percentage point among Whites while Obama beat Romney by 87 percentage points among Blacks and 44 percentage points among Hispanics.

There's more than that. Yes, Democrats consistently win among those at the HIGHEST educational attainment level broken out by exit polls (Post Grads). But they also consistently win by an even larger margin among the LOWEST educational attainment level (didn't finish high school).

Then there's income; which is another correlate with IQ. And we all know how that usually goes.

Anyway, if you were to even say that someone had to be at least in the average range of IQ in order to vote the Democratic Party would be devastated in national elections. That advantage they have where they focus on dragging out the vote in minority inner city areas, etc. would be substantially diminished because most of those people they've been dragging out wouldn't be eligible to vote. They'd be completely screwed.

Look, I know it's not politically correct. But it's true. Sometimes the truth isn't politically correct.

[houndawg]

ohn,
Fanatically watching FOX News does not make one "more informed" or "more intelligent"

It's not that. I've been following the question of variation in IQ for a lot longer than Fox News has been around. And I look at other indications of aptitude and knowledge level as well. Also look at the results of exit polls. And to me there's no way you could look at all the information and not conclude that the Democrats benefit from voting on the part of the least intelligent (at least as measured by IQ and aptitude tests) and informed.

You can start off with ethnicity. I know people don't like to deal with that. But if you Google around I think you will find that there isn't any disagreement with the assertion that American Blacks and Hispanics have substantially lower IQs than the general population. You'll see arguments that it's because of environmental rather than hereditary factors. But I don't think you'll see arguments that they don't have low average IQs. I think it's fair to say that the average for Blacks is about 85 and the average for Hispanics is about 90. Given that, if you were to say that people at to be in at least what would be considered with the "normal range" (plus or minus one standard deviation of the mean) of IQ could vote, only about 16% of Blacks and about 25% of Hispanics would be eligible to vote. Meanwhile, Whites have an average of around 102. that means about 87 percent of Whites would be eligible to vote.

Now, can you imagine what would happen if only 16% of Blacks and 25% of Hispanics were eligible to vote while 87% of Whites were eligible to vote? Yes I know there's some uncertainty in there with respect to which 13% of Whites would drop out but c'mon. Romney beat Obama by 20 percentage point among Whites while Obama beat Romney by 87 percentage points among Blacks and 44 percentage points among Hispanics.

There's more than that. Yes, Democrats consistently win among those at the HIGHEST educational attainment level broken out by exit polls (Post Grads). But they also consistently win by an even larger margin among the LOWEST educational attainment level (didn't finish high school).

Then there's income; which is another correlate with IQ. And we all know how that usually goes.

Anyway, if you were to even say that someone had to be at least in the average range of IQ in order to vote the Democratic Party would be devastated in national elections. That advantage they have where they focus on dragging out the vote in minority inner city areas, etc. would evaporate because most of those people they've been dragging out wouldn't be eligible to vote. They'd be completely screwed.

Look, I know it's not politically correct. But it's true. Sometimes the truth isn't politically correct.

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Sounds like you've been hanging out over at Stormfront.

[Chizzang]

Sounds like you've been hanging out over at Stormfront.

He is fond of "brainwashing"

The thing is:
There are studies that show how stupid the bottom 1/3 of Americans are across the board
and they are alarmingly stupid - and I mean S.T.U.P.I.D.!

IT's not just red necks and hillbillies or Blacks and Mexicans
Its across the board - the bottom third in America is just flat out dumb

John gets pretty excited about "The other guys" being the dumb ones but unfortunately its AMERICA
not just Blue States



Just remember Johnny
Your favorite idiots are confused why any person could be an Atheists
because Darwin has never appeared on a piece of burnt toast...

[JohnStOnge]

The thing is:
There are studies that show how stupid the bottom 1/3 of Americans are across the board
and they are alarmingly stupid - and I mean S.T.U.P.I.D.!

I had a brain fart last night on the percentages and corrected them. Requiring being in the normal range (+/- 1 standard deviation of the mean) of IQ would be expected to exclude about 50% of Blacks rather than 84% and about 25% of Hispanics rather than 75%. I got the White percentage (about 13% excluded) right the first time.

Nevertheless, the point is that if you look at the demographics of exit polling and honestly interpret them you will conclude that if you were to exclude that 1/3 of Americans you referenced from voting eligibility the Democratic Party would be devastated. Neither Clinton nor Obama would ever have been President, for example.

That's not saying, "If you're smart you vote Republican and if you're stupid you vote Democrat." And it's not saying, "If only we could snap our fingers and make all the minority and/or poor people smart and informed they'd vote Republican." It's just the math. It is what it is.

[Pwns]

Sounds like you've been hanging out over at Stormfront.

He is fond of "brainwashing"

The thing is:
There are studies that show how stupid the bottom 1/3 of Americans are across the board
and they are alarmingly stupid - and I mean S.T.U.P.I.D.!

IT's not just red necks and hillbillies or Blacks and Mexicans
Its across the board - the bottom third in America is just flat out dumb

John gets pretty excited about "The other guys" being the dumb ones but unfortunately its AMERICA
not just Blue States



Just remember Johnny
Your favorite idiots are confused why any person could be an Atheists
because Darwin has never appeared on a piece of burnt toast...

There are certainly plenty of ignorant white, rural, republican voters out there…but you can't tell me that even if there was a basic civic literacy test required for voting it wouldn't be the democrats who would pitch a fit. And by "test" I don't mean esoteric questions about the articles of confederation…just a simple test the vast majority of people on this board could pass easily.

Stupidity is much less dangerous IMO than people who are ignorant of their own ignorance.

[CAA Flagship]

Sounds like you've been hanging out over at Stormfront.

He is fond of "brainwashing"

The thing is:
There are studies that show how stupid the bottom 1/3 of Americans are across the board
and they are alarmingly stupid - and I mean S.T.U.P.I.D.!

IT's not just red necks and hillbillies or Blacks and Mexicans
Its across the board - the bottom third in America is just flat out dumb

John gets pretty excited about "The other guys" being the dumb ones but unfortunately its AMERICA
not just Blue States



Just remember Johnny
Your favorite idiots are confused why any person could be an Atheists
because Darwin has never appeared on a piece of burnt toast...

What percentage would you say (of the bottom third) are dumb because they lack knowledge (meaning, they are lazy)? Certainly, there are people that do not have the ability to learn. But how many are just lazy?

I'm not trolling here. I just want your opinion. OK, maybe I am trolling a bit here because I want to tie this into the minimum wage thing. I hear about people in minimum wage jobs for 10-15 years. That is to me. They are either truly dumb or lazy. I would like to see help for the dumb ones but not the lazy ones. So what percentage of the bottom third are getting a pay raise for being lazy?

[Chizzang]

He is fond of "brainwashing"

The thing is:
There are studies that show how stupid the bottom 1/3 of Americans are across the board
and they are alarmingly stupid - and I mean S.T.U.P.I.D.!

IT's not just red necks and hillbillies or Blacks and Mexicans
Its across the board - the bottom third in America is just flat out dumb

John gets pretty excited about "The other guys" being the dumb ones but unfortunately its AMERICA
not just Blue States



Just remember Johnny
Your favorite idiots are confused why any person could be an Atheists
because Darwin has never appeared on a piece of burnt toast...

What percentage would you say (of the bottom third) are dumb because they lack knowledge (meaning, they are lazy)? Certainly, there are people that do not have the ability to learn. But how many are just lazy?

I'm not trolling here. I just want your opinion. OK, maybe I am trolling a bit here because I want to tie this into the minimum wage thing. I hear about people in minimum wage jobs for 10-15 years. That is to me. They are either truly dumb or lazy. I would like to see help for the dumb ones but not the lazy ones. So what percentage of the bottom third are getting a pay raise for being lazy?

I don't differentiate laziness from stupidity - they are brothers
and anybody who does separate the two is

[CAA Flagship]

What percentage would you say (of the bottom third) are dumb because they lack knowledge (meaning, they are lazy)? Certainly, there are people that do not have the ability to learn. But how many are just lazy?

I'm not trolling here. I just want your opinion. OK, maybe I am trolling a bit here because I want to tie this into the minimum wage thing. I hear about people in minimum wage jobs for 10-15 years. That is to me. They are either truly dumb or lazy. I would like to see help for the dumb ones but not the lazy ones. So what percentage of the bottom third are getting a pay raise for being lazy?

I don't differentiate laziness from stupidity - they are brothers
and anybody who does separate the two is

Why would you not want to differentiate the two? It's baby and bath water when it comes to entitlements.

[Chizzang]

I don't differentiate laziness from stupidity - they are brothers
and anybody who does separate the two is

Why would you not want to differentiate the two? It's baby and bath water when it comes to entitlements.

I don't have any issues with "entitlements" - You do
In the larger picture the "entitlement" argument is narrow and meaningless

Example:
Which entitlements - Corporate / DOD / Wall Street ...?
Or are we just zooming in on one segment like Federal Workers..?



Oh you mean unemployment or Food Stamps..? (their all the same)

[CAA Flagship]

Why would you not want to differentiate the two? It's baby and bath water when it comes to entitlements.

I don't have any issues with "entitlements" - You do
In the larger picture the "entitlement" argument is narrow and meaningless

Example:
Which entitlements - Corporate / DOD / Wall Street ...?
Or are we just zooming in on one segment like Federal Workers..?



Oh you mean unemployment or Food Stamps..? (their all the same)

Then get to work. There are a lot of people that depend on your earnings.

[Grizalltheway]

I don't have any issues with "entitlements" - You do
In the larger picture the "entitlement" argument is narrow and meaningless

Example:
Which entitlements - Corporate / DOD / Wall Street ...?
Or are we just zooming in on one segment like Federal Workers..?



Oh you mean unemployment or Food Stamps..? (their all the same)

Then get to work.

[CAA Flagship]

Then get to work.

[Chizzang]

I don't have any issues with "entitlements" - You do
In the larger picture the "entitlement" argument is narrow and meaningless

Example:
Which entitlements - Corporate / DOD / Wall Street ...?
Or are we just zooming in on one segment like Federal Workers..?



Oh you mean unemployment or Food Stamps..? (their all the same)

Then get to work. There are a lot of people that depend on your earnings.

So we're all done now having the "Entitlements" conversation..?



Gosh that was short...
remind me to just say DOD the next time you get started on Entitlements

[YoUDeeMan]

Screw the Civics test...how about finding people who can balance a budget?

[CAA Flagship]

Then get to work. There are a lot of people that depend on your earnings.

So we're all done now having the "Entitlements" conversation..?



Gosh that was short...
remind me to just say DOD the next time you get started on Entitlements

You are the one that didn't want to answer my question on the "bottom third". THAT ended the conversation.

[Chizzang]

So we're all done now having the "Entitlements" conversation..?



Gosh that was short...
remind me to just say DOD the next time you get started on Entitlements

You are the one that didn't want to answer my question on the "bottom third". THAT ended the conversation.

You are the bottom third...
Its an awkward conversation when you're in the room