Yep. That's what this country needs. A violent shove towards Greece.houndawg wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... land-maine
Bernie Sanders is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, regularly 5k-10k and getting next to no coverage. Obviously this is the guy that scares the bejeezus out of the billionaires that control our media.
-$15/hr min wage
- free college tuition
-guaranteed family leave time, vacation time, and paid sick time
-higher taxes for the corporations and the wealthy
Now we're talking comrades! Eat the rich!
AZGrizFan wrote:Yep. That's what this country needs. A violent shove towards Greece.houndawg wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... land-maine
Bernie Sanders is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, regularly 5k-10k and getting next to no coverage. Obviously this is the guy that scares the bejeezus out of the billionaires that control our media.
-$15/hr min wage
- free college tuition
-guaranteed family leave time, vacation time, and paid sick time
-higher taxes for the corporations and the wealthy
Now we're talking comrades! Eat the rich!
Yeah, because there is no legitimate comparison to Greece when the national debt is >100% of GDP and unfunded liabilities are approaching $100 trillion.kalm wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Yep. That's what this country needs. A violent shove towards Greece.
Nice comparison.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... dy/398603/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you don't think we're on Greece's path (however the fuck we got there, I'm not comparing situations, just results) then you're dumber than I gave you credit for.kalm wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Yep. That's what this country needs. A violent shove towards Greece.
Nice comparison.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... dy/398603/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Washington Post isn't the media?houndawg wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... land-maine
Bernie Sanders is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, regularly 5k-10k and getting next to no coverage. Obviously this is the guy that scares the bejeezus out of the billionaires that control our media.
-$15/hr min wage
- free college tuition
-guaranteed family leave time, vacation time, and paid sick time
-higher taxes for the corporations and the wealthy
Now we're talking comrades! Eat the rich!
So we borrowed from EU banks twice against our ever growing debt while implementing severe austerity measures that have placed millions without healthcare and dramatically increased rates of HIV, infant mortality, malaria, and suicide?AZGrizFan wrote:If you don't think we're on Greece's path (however the fuck we got there, I'm not comparing situations, just results) then you're dumber than I gave you credit for.kalm wrote:
Nice comparison.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... dy/398603/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The problem is that Bernie is out-drawing them all and his "blame the oligarchs" theme has beaucoup resonance with those large crowds.Baldy wrote:The Washington Post isn't the media?houndawg wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... land-maine
Bernie Sanders is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate, regularly 5k-10k and getting next to no coverage. Obviously this is the guy that scares the bejeezus out of the billionaires that control our media.
-$15/hr min wage
- free college tuition
-guaranteed family leave time, vacation time, and paid sick time
-higher taxes for the corporations and the wealthy
Now we're talking comrades! Eat the rich!
Bernie is the Donk's version of Trump...just less boisterous, more kooky, and just as unelectable.
The difference is the mainstream media is going to try and hide Crazy Uncle Bernie behind Trump until he finally falls off the radar.
kalm wrote:So we borrowed from EU banks twice against our ever growing debt while implementing severe austerity measures that have placed millions without healthcare and dramatically increased rates of HIV, infant mortality, malaria, and suicide?AZGrizFan wrote:
If you don't think we're on Greece's path (however the **** we got there, I'm not comparing situations, just results) then you're dumber than I gave you credit for.
Similar to Greece, I suppose we lack the manufacturing capability and natural resources to export goods?
I'm sure you'll point to political corruption, failure to collect taxes, and pension debt as similarities and yes, there might be few. But since the last round of Greece bailouts (to make the banks whole) they've drastically cut social spending and increased the retirement age, so I'm guessing they're clawing their swarthy way back to solvency as we speak.
Bernie is a boutique candidate who resonates with the kook fringe.houndawg wrote:The problem is that Bernie is out-drawing them all and his "blame the oligarchs" theme has beaucoup resonance with those large crowds.Baldy wrote: The Washington Post isn't the media?
Bernie is the Donk's version of Trump...just less boisterous, more kooky, and just as unelectable.
The difference is the mainstream media is going to try and hide Crazy Uncle Bernie behind Trump until he finally falls off the radar.
Oh, yeah. They're just on the cusp.kalm wrote:So we borrowed from EU banks twice against our ever growing debt while implementing severe austerity measures that have placed millions without healthcare and dramatically increased rates of HIV, infant mortality, malaria, and suicide?AZGrizFan wrote:
If you don't think we're on Greece's path (however the fuck we got there, I'm not comparing situations, just results) then you're dumber than I gave you credit for.
Similar to Greece, I suppose we lack the manufacturing capability and natural resources to export goods?
I'm sure you'll point to political corruption, failure to collect taxes, and pension debt as similarities and yes, there might be few. But since the last round of Greece bailouts (to make the banks whole) they've drastically cut social spending and increased the retirement age, so I'm guessing they're clawing their swarthy way back to solvency as we speak.
I think there is a bit more to it than that when you draw 8,000 in Dallas and 11,000 in Phoenix.Baldy wrote:Bernie is a boutique candidate who resonates with the kook fringe.houndawg wrote:
The problem is that Bernie is out-drawing them all and his "blame the oligarchs" theme has beaucoup resonance with those large crowds.
As Pwns said, Ron Paul was similar. Big online presence and able to draw large crowds in selected places. Trump is the same way.
If Bernie was the nominee, you're looking at another Reaganesque 49 state landslide.
houndawg wrote:I think there is a bit more to it than that when you draw 8,000 in Dallas and 11,000 in Phoenix.Baldy wrote:
Bernie is a boutique candidate who resonates with the kook fringe.
As Pwns said, Ron Paul was similar. Big online presence and able to draw large crowds in selected places. Trump is the same way.
If Bernie was the nominee, you're looking at another Reaganesque 49 state landslide.
Sanders/Warren vs. Trump/Walker
"Freak show"? You keep using that phrase. He doesn't stand a chance. Why so hyperbolic?Baldy wrote:houndawg wrote:
I think there is a bit more to it than that when you draw 8,000 in Dallas and 11,000 in Phoenix.
Sanders/Warren vs. Trump/Walker
In the latest Donk poll in Texas, Clinton is up on Sanders 53% to 15% (approximately 3.5X better). Using your logic, Clinton would draw a crowd of 28K+.
Not in a million years.
Bernie is an oddity, a freak show.
In a metro area of over 6M people, 0.1% (8K) would show up to a fart smelling contest.
Even if all the dead and illegals voted, Bernie would still struggle to get 20% of the popular vote in Texas or Arizona.
I used it once (maybe twice).kalm wrote:"Freak show"? You keep using that phrase. He doesn't stand a chance. Why so hyperbolic?Baldy wrote:
In the latest Donk poll in Texas, Clinton is up on Sanders 53% to 15% (approximately 3.5X better). Using your logic, Clinton would draw a crowd of 28K+.
Not in a million years.
Bernie is an oddity, a freak show.
In a metro area of over 6M people, 0.1% (8K) would show up to a fart smelling contest.
Even if all the dead and illegals voted, Bernie would still struggle to get 20% of the popular vote in Texas or Arizona.
No. That's not it. Some of the same Vermont districts that overwhelmingly supported Bush also supported Sanders. There must be something more to it for you.Baldy wrote:I used it once (maybe twice).kalm wrote:
"Freak show"? You keep using that phrase. He doesn't stand a chance. Why so hyperbolic?
Musta struck a nerve.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;He is a clumsy speaker, pronouncing “oligarchy” — a word he uses in every speech — as though he were starting to say “à la mode.” He’s one of those rhetorical oafs whose only dynamic modulations are sudden shifts in volume — he’s the oratorical equivalent of every Nirvana song ever written — and he is undisciplined, speaking for an hour and then pressing right through, on and on, feeling the need to check off every progressive box, as though new orbiters in the Bernieverse might think him a Rick Santorum–level pro-lifer if he didn’t lay his pro-choice credentials out on the table at least once during every speech. “Brothers and sisters, . . .” repeatedly: global warming, $15 minimum wage, putting an end to free trade, gays, gays, abortion, gays, lies about women making only 78 cents on the male dollar, mass transit, gays and abortion and gays, Kochs and Waltons and hedge-fund managers!
......
And this is where the Bernieverse is really off-kilter, where the intellectual shallowness of the man and his followers is as impossible to miss as a winter bonfire. The Scandinavian welfare states they so admire are very different from the United States in many ways, and one of the most important is that their politics are consensus-driven. That has some significant downsides, prominent among them the crushing conformity that is ruthlessly enforced on practically every aspect of life. (The Dano-Norwegian novelist Aksel Sandemose called it “Jante law,” after the petty and bullying social milieu of the fictional village Jante in A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks.) But it is also a stabilizing and moderating force in politics, allowing for the emergence of a subtle and sophisticated and remarkably broad social agreement that contains political disputes. Bernie’s politics, on the other hand, are the polar opposite of Scandinavian: He’s got a debilitating case of Tea Party envy. He promises not just confrontation but hostile, theatrical confrontation, demonizing not only his actual opponents but his perceived enemies as well, including the Walton family, whose members are not particularly active in politics these days, and some of whom are notably liberal. That doesn’t matter: If they have a great deal of wealth, they are the enemy. (What about Tom Steyer and George Soros? “False equivalency,” Bernie scoffs.) He knows who Them is: The Koch brothers, who make repeated appearances in every speech; scheming swarthy foreigners who are stealing our jobs; bankers, the traditional bogeymen of conspiracy theorists ranging from Father Coughlin and Henry Ford to Louis Farrakhan; Wall Street; etc.
That's nothing unusual for Vermont.kalm wrote:No. That's not it. Some of the same Vermont districts that overwhelmingly supported Bush also supported Sanders. There must be something more to it for you.Baldy wrote: I used it once (maybe twice).
Musta struck a nerve.
Bernie is a gadfly and probably someone that was put up by the Democrats to help sink Clinton's chances. So, from that perspective, everyone should like that he's out there.kalm wrote:Fantastic hit piece on Bernie from the National Review. I might have to follow this Kevin D. Williamson guy a little.
Bernie is a National Socialist...
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;He is a clumsy speaker, pronouncing “oligarchy” — a word he uses in every speech — as though he were starting to say “à la mode.” He’s one of those rhetorical oafs whose only dynamic modulations are sudden shifts in volume — he’s the oratorical equivalent of every Nirvana song ever written — and he is undisciplined, speaking for an hour and then pressing right through, on and on, feeling the need to check off every progressive box, as though new orbiters in the Bernieverse might think him a Rick Santorum–level pro-lifer if he didn’t lay his pro-choice credentials out on the table at least once during every speech. “Brothers and sisters, . . .” repeatedly: global warming, $15 minimum wage, putting an end to free trade, gays, gays, abortion, gays, lies about women making only 78 cents on the male dollar, mass transit, gays and abortion and gays, Kochs and Waltons and hedge-fund managers!
......
And this is where the Bernieverse is really off-kilter, where the intellectual shallowness of the man and his followers is as impossible to miss as a winter bonfire. The Scandinavian welfare states they so admire are very different from the United States in many ways, and one of the most important is that their politics are consensus-driven. That has some significant downsides, prominent among them the crushing conformity that is ruthlessly enforced on practically every aspect of life. (The Dano-Norwegian novelist Aksel Sandemose called it “Jante law,” after the petty and bullying social milieu of the fictional village Jante in A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks.) But it is also a stabilizing and moderating force in politics, allowing for the emergence of a subtle and sophisticated and remarkably broad social agreement that contains political disputes. Bernie’s politics, on the other hand, are the polar opposite of Scandinavian: He’s got a debilitating case of Tea Party envy. He promises not just confrontation but hostile, theatrical confrontation, demonizing not only his actual opponents but his perceived enemies as well, including the Walton family, whose members are not particularly active in politics these days, and some of whom are notably liberal. That doesn’t matter: If they have a great deal of wealth, they are the enemy. (What about Tom Steyer and George Soros? “False equivalency,” Bernie scoffs.) He knows who Them is: The Koch brothers, who make repeated appearances in every speech; scheming swarthy foreigners who are stealing our jobs; bankers, the traditional bogeymen of conspiracy theorists ranging from Father Coughlin and Henry Ford to Louis Farrakhan; Wall Street; etc.
kalm wrote:Fantastic hit piece on Bernie from the National Review. I might have to follow this Kevin D. Williamson guy a little.
Bernie is a National Socialist...
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;He is a clumsy speaker, pronouncing “oligarchy” — a word he uses in every speech — as though he were starting to say “à la mode.” He’s one of those rhetorical oafs whose only dynamic modulations are sudden shifts in volume — he’s the oratorical equivalent of every Nirvana song ever written — and he is undisciplined, speaking for an hour and then pressing right through, on and on, feeling the need to check off every progressive box, as though new orbiters in the Bernieverse might think him a Rick Santorum–level pro-lifer if he didn’t lay his pro-choice credentials out on the table at least once during every speech. “Brothers and sisters, . . .” repeatedly: global warming, $15 minimum wage, putting an end to free trade, gays, gays, abortion, gays, lies about women making only 78 cents on the male dollar, mass transit, gays and abortion and gays, Kochs and Waltons and hedge-fund managers!
......
And this is where the Bernieverse is really off-kilter, where the intellectual shallowness of the man and his followers is as impossible to miss as a winter bonfire. The Scandinavian welfare states they so admire are very different from the United States in many ways, and one of the most important is that their politics are consensus-driven. That has some significant downsides, prominent among them the crushing conformity that is ruthlessly enforced on practically every aspect of life. (The Dano-Norwegian novelist Aksel Sandemose called it “Jante law,” after the petty and bullying social milieu of the fictional village Jante in A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks.) But it is also a stabilizing and moderating force in politics, allowing for the emergence of a subtle and sophisticated and remarkably broad social agreement that contains political disputes. Bernie’s politics, on the other hand, are the polar opposite of Scandinavian: He’s got a debilitating case of Tea Party envy. He promises not just confrontation but hostile, theatrical confrontation, demonizing not only his actual opponents but his perceived enemies as well, including the Walton family, whose members are not particularly active in politics these days, and some of whom are notably liberal. That doesn’t matter: If they have a great deal of wealth, they are the enemy. (What about Tom Steyer and George Soros? “False equivalency,” Bernie scoffs.) He knows who Them is: The Koch brothers, who make repeated appearances in every speech; scheming swarthy foreigners who are stealing our jobs; bankers, the traditional bogeymen of conspiracy theorists ranging from Father Coughlin and Henry Ford to Louis Farrakhan; Wall Street; etc.