Chizzang wrote:CID1990 wrote:
this right here folks
this is how you can be reasoned and absurd at the same time
Look the hippies and tree huggers out here
have some dumb ass arguments and points of contention
I'm not trying to play this like it's the only stupid debate being tossed about in full view of the world
but for the love of Pete can there really be that much self worth tied up in that flag..?

Well, yes.
I have a number of theories about the Confederate flag and why it commands so much feeling in some people - I'll only bore you with one:
It has to do with the large Celtic makeup of the Confederate states in the 1860s - largely Scots Irish - bellicosity has always been in that DNA. Not necessarily in any support for slavery or the fifty other reasons people will argue that war was about - but just the idea of picking up a gun an fighting a perceived invading enemy who looks down on you in a superior manner-
it has a strong effect on the psyche of the Scots, the Irish, and to lesser degrees the Bretons and Welsh. The Confederate flag is a symbol of that kind of hard bitten orneriness that is a matter of pride to what made up 95% of the American South in I think the 1798 census or thereabouts. The fact that it is based on the St Andrews Cross isnt lost on many Scots and Scots Irish.
Whether fighting the Romans, the English, the Norsemen or even each other- the Confederate flag is representative of a fight -much like a tartan or a coat of arms or a shamrock or fleur de lis -
Now some redneck in a trailer park somewhere doesnt think about it in those terms- but that culture of bellicosity is real in those groups, and I do think it lends to the incendiary nature of the flag. It doesnt matter what the war was about - it could have been about anything, righteous or not- and Southerners will cling to it as a symbol of the struggle
Sen James Webb wrote a book that I highly recommend- "Born Fighting: The Scots Irish in America" He does a pretty good job of digging in to the quirks of the culture