A Heritage of Hatred and White Supremecy

[OL FU]

You can also bet that very soon the celebration of and or reenactment of Civil War battles is going to cease....

There's a high school in San Antonio named after Robert E. Lee. Won't last long now...

Ole Miss will have to get a new mascot.

Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" will be banned.

Johnny will no longer be an acceptable name due to the nickname, "Johnny Reb."

Grey is now an illegal color.

Maybe we should close the Citadel Something good might come from this yet

[CAA Flagship]

You can also bet that very soon the celebration of and or reenactment of Civil War battles is going to cease....

There's a high school in San Antonio named after Robert E. Lee. Won't last long now...

Ole Miss will have to get a new mascot.

Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" will be banned.

Johnny will no longer be an acceptable name due to the nickname, "Johnny Reb."

Grey is now an illegal color.

Now wait just a cotton-pickin minute.

[TheDancinMonarch]

I say this as a southerner, southern New York that is, who has transplanted to the northern part of the south, Virginia. It has always been said that the south continues to fight the Civil War. Well I think the north is still fighting it too. C'mon guys it was done nearly 160 years ago. My forebears hadn't even come to America yet. A flag or symbol didn't kill those 9 people. A crazy person did.

[bandl]

You can also bet that very soon the celebration of and or reenactment of Civil War battles is going to cease....

There's a high school in San Antonio named after Robert E. Lee. Won't last long now...

Ole Miss will have to get a new mascot.

Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" will be banned.

Johnny will no longer be an acceptable name due to the nickname, "Johnny Reb."

Grey is now an illegal color.

And if that horrible show "Blackish" gets cancelled as a result of all this, then I think it will all be worth it.

[GannonFan]

Ole Miss will have to get a new mascot.

Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" will be banned.

Johnny will no longer be an acceptable name due to the nickname, "Johnny Reb."

Grey is now an illegal color.

And if that horrible show "Blackish" gets cancelled as a result of all this, then I think it will all be worth it.

Dude, if you aren't laughing out loud and peeing your pants when watching "Blackish" then you are a souless, empty person. That show is phenomenal. The epidose on whether they should beat their eldest with a belt or not is Emmy worthy.

[Ibanez]

Ole Miss will have to get a new mascot.

Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" will be banned.

Johnny will no longer be an acceptable name due to the nickname, "Johnny Reb."

Grey is now an illegal color.

Maybe we should close the Citadel Something good might come from this yet

Well it was shut down from 1865-1882.

[OL FU]

Maybe we should close the Citadel Something good might come from this yet

Well it was shut down from 1865-1882.

That's not long

[bandl]

And if that horrible show "Blackish" gets cancelled as a result of all this, then I think it will all be worth it.

Dude, if you aren't laughing out loud and peeing your pants when watching "Blackish" then you are a souless, empty person. That show is phenomenal. The epidose on whether they should beat their eldest with a belt or not is Emmy worthy.

You also like Glee, so I don't think we're on the same page when it comes to watchable TV shows...

[andy7171]

Dude, if you aren't laughing out loud and peeing your pants when watching "Blackish" then you are a souless, empty person. That show is phenomenal. The epidose on whether they should beat their eldest with a belt or not is Emmy worthy.

You also like Glee, so I don't think we're on the same page when it comes to watchable TV shows...

Bandle just sunk GFs battleship!

[mrklean]

And if that horrible show "Blackish" gets cancelled as a result of all this, then I think it will all be worth it.

Dude, if you aren't laughing out loud and peeing your pants when watching "Blackish" then you are a souless, empty person. That show is phenomenal. The epidose on whether they should beat their eldest with a belt or not is Emmy worthy.[/quot

My son loves this show. It can get a bit silly at times.

[mrklean]

The Union was clearly in the wrong. You're talking about a nation established through seceding from the English Empire turning around and invading States exercising the same "right." And BTW the Union didn't do that to end slavery. It did that to force the Southern States to stay in the Union.

The Confederate Battle flag, for the greatest part, represents people who were fighting against a ruthless army invading their homeland. No doubt they were White Supremacists. But so were the overwhelming majority of the guys in the invading army.

BTW when i say "in the wrong" I'm talking about sitting here talking about what happened in the past. Like I would also say the whole United States was "in the wrong" with respect to the way the "Native Americans" were treated. It doesn't mean I'd change anything if I had a time machine and go back. But the North was clearly the aggressor that was in the wrong with respect to the American Civil War. It's just that in that case the aggressor won.

[BDKJMU]

Since we're being so reactive, do we have to change the names of the following military installations:

Fort Bragg
Fort Rucker
Fort Hood
Fort Lee
Fort Benning
Fort Gordon
Fort A.P. Hill
Fort Polk
Fort Pickett
Camp Beauregard

Fu*k that. My triple great Uncle was General Braxton Bragg...

[Ibanez]

Since we're being so reactive, do we have to change the names of the following military installations:

Fort Bragg
Fort Rucker
Fort Hood
Fort Lee
Fort Benning
Fort Gordon
Fort A.P. Hill
Fort Polk
Fort Pickett
Camp Beauregard

Fu*k that. My triple great Uncle was General Braxton Bragg...

Cool story. I'm friends with Hood's X# grandson.

[BDKJMU]

The Battle Flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy. The 1st offical flag was the 1st National (Stars and Bars).

If SC simply replaced the Battle Flag with the Stars and Bars, it would be more appropriate and it would be mostly the end of the controversy, as most people now wouldn't even recognize that as a Confederate flag..

1) Thanks for posting the State Flag of Georgia...basically.
2) I can't think of a worst idea. Let's replace a battle flag with an official flag of the Confederacy.

Well that 1st National/Stars & Bars official flag of the Confederacy wasn't widely hijacked by the KKK and those of similar ilk in the 20th century to today. And 90+% of our historically ignorant population wouldn't even recognize that as a flag of the Confederacy, as they think there is only one flag, the Battle Flag (Square and/or 2nd Naval Jack (rectangular).

The 'Battle Flag' was the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern VA. Was also referred to as Virginia's Battle Flag. A more appropriate flag for SC would be the 1st National already mentioned (yeah very similar to Ga's state flag, forgot about that) or the Bonnie Blue flag, the 1st unofficial Confederate flag that flew over Sumpter in early 1861.


Or the SC Secession flag, raised over South Carolina after its secession from the Union


Or the Palmetto flag, which was the most widely used secessionist flag all over the South
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[Ibanez]

1) Thanks for posting the State Flag of Georgia...basically.
2) I can't think of a worst idea. Let's replace a battle flag with an official flag of the Confederacy.

Well that 1st National/Stars & Bars official flag of the Confederacy wasn't widely hijacked by the KKK and those of similar ilk in the 20th century to today. And 90+% of our historically ignorant population wouldn't even recognize that as a flag of the Confederacy, as they think there is only one flag, the Battle Flag (Square and/or 2nd Naval Jack (rectangular).

The 'Battle Flag' was the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern VA. Was also referred to as Virginia's Battle Flag. A more appropriate flag for SC would be the 1st National already mentioned (yeah very similar to Ga's state flag, forgot about that) or the Bonnie Blue flag, the 1st unofficial Confederate flag that flew over Sumpter in early 1861.


Or the SC Secession flag, raised over South Carolina after its secession from the Union


Or the Palmetto flag, which was the most widely used secessionist flag all over the South
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It's Sumter..not Sumpter.

Very similar to Georgia's flag?


It's the same thing other than the emblem in the middle of the stars.

I see someone has been on Wikipedia this afternoon.

[BDKJMU]

Well that 1st National/Stars & Bars official flag of the Confederacy wasn't widely hijacked by the KKK and those of similar ilk in the 20th century to today. And 90+% of our historically ignorant population wouldn't even recognize that as a flag of the Confederacy, as they think there is only one flag, the Battle Flag (Square and/or 2nd Naval Jack (rectangular).

The 'Battle Flag' was the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern VA. Was also referred to as Virginia's Battle Flag. A more appropriate flag for SC would be the 1st National already mentioned (yeah very similar to Ga's state flag, forgot about that) or the Bonnie Blue flag, the 1st unofficial Confederate flag that flew over Sumpter in early 1861.


Or the SC Secession flag, raised over South Carolina after its secession from the Union


Or the Palmetto flag, which was the most widely used secessionist flag all over the South
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It's Sumter..not Sumpter.

Very similar to Georgia's flag?


It's the same thing other than the emblem in the middle of the stars.

I see someone has been on Wikipedia this afternoon.

Sumpter, just like Clempson

[Ibanez]

It's Sumter..not Sumpter.

Very similar to Georgia's flag?


It's the same thing other than the emblem in the middle of the stars.

I see someone has been on Wikipedia this afternoon.

Sumpter, just like Clempson

Haha. Aka Cow Tech

[BDKJMU]

"Mitch McConnell to Kentucky Capitol: Lose the Jefferson Davis Statue

......Also Tuesday, Minority Leader Harry Reid said the mascot and nickname of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas—the Runnin' Rebels—should be reconsidered by the school's Board of Regents. ......"
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[BDKJMU]

A democrat who gets it:

"'Hazzard' actor, now a store owner, defends Confederate flag

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — The Confederate flag is not a hateful symbol but instead a banner with positive historical context despite "the few thousand people that run around wearing sheets and committing atrocities," said Ben Jones, the "Dukes of Hazzard" actor and former Democratic congressman.

Jones said his stores will never stop selling Confederate items even as national retailers such as Wal-Mart drop them in the wake of the massacre of nine people at a black church in Charleston. The man charged in the deaths had been photographed with the Confederate flag.

"We're not changing anything in stores. There's no reason to change anything," Jones said. "We despise racism."

He added: "It's not a hateful symbol, and we despise that it's being used by bigots and hate groups."

But he also said he understands those who side with South Carolina Republican Gov. Nikki Haley and lawmakers who want the Confederate battle flag removed from the Statehouse grounds.

"We recognize that it's on public ground and does not represent all the taxpayers," Jones said. But he added that he's pleased that lawmakers did not act immediately when they considered the idea Tuesday, agreeing only to consider removal of the flag later this summer.

"I'm glad that they're doing it without the enormous haste. That will be a more effective, thoughtful and considerate exchange of ideas," he said. Jones said he'd like to see the flag stay put.

Jones represented Georgia in Congress as a Democrat from 1989 to 1993 after the television show ended its run.

"My politics have always been foremost about equal rights for everybody," he said.

In a Facebook post on the page for his store late Tuesday, Jones called the flag a symbol of the spirit of independence. The flag represents the values of the rural South including courage, family and good times, he wrote.

"We are the same good people today that we were last week and last year and we are not going to be shamed into turning our backs on our heritage," he wrote."
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[BDKJMU]

Another democrat who gets it:

"Jim Webb Stands Up For People Who Memorialize The Confederacy

Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, a southern Democrat contemplating a run for president, encouraged people on Wednesday to understand the “complicated history of the Civil War” when calling for the removal of the Confederate flag across the country.12

“This is an emotional time and we all need to think through these issues with a care that recognizes the need for change but also respects the complicated history of the Civil War,” Webb wrote in a post on Facebook.4

Responding to the shooting in Charleston last week, the governors of South Carolina and Alabama have called for the removal of the flag off the capitol grounds.6

Responding to the removal of the Confederate flag in states across the country, Webb said: “The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.”

Webb’s statement — which could appeal to southerners who view the flag not as a symbol of hate, but of history and regional pride — is at odds with the more liberal wing of his party. Hillary Clinton, for example, said Wednesday that she would like to see stores across the country stop selling Confederate flags.

Webb also said: “We should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South. It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery.”

“This is a time for us to come together, and to recognize once more that our complex multicultural society is founded on the principle of mutual respect,” he said."
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[CID1990]

Another democrat who gets it:

"Jim Webb Stands Up For People Who Memorialize The Confederacy

Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, a southern Democrat contemplating a run for president, encouraged people on Wednesday to understand the “complicated history of the Civil War” when calling for the removal of the Confederate flag across the country.12

“This is an emotional time and we all need to think through these issues with a care that recognizes the need for change but also respects the complicated history of the Civil War,” Webb wrote in a post on Facebook.4

Responding to the shooting in Charleston last week, the governors of South Carolina and Alabama have called for the removal of the flag off the capitol grounds.6

Responding to the removal of the Confederate flag in states across the country, Webb said: “The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.”

Webb’s statement — which could appeal to southerners who view the flag not as a symbol of hate, but of history and regional pride — is at odds with the more liberal wing of his party. Hillary Clinton, for example, said Wednesday that she would like to see stores across the country stop selling Confederate flags.

Webb also said: “We should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South. It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery.”

“This is a time for us to come together, and to recognize once more that our complex multicultural society is founded on the principle of mutual respect,” he said."
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I had a long conversation with him once about a few topics when we were going out to an old ARVN cemetery in Bien Hoa, near Saigon.

He wanted to encourage the Vietnamese to restore and take care of the cemetery, because it would be a gesture of reconciliation between the north and the south in Vietnam over some pretty bitter divisions that still exist over the war.

An example he used was that in the US, we respect the dead soldiers from both sides of our own Civil War and that went a long way towards our own reconciliation- and that if we show disrespect for the losing side we alienate a whole swath of our countrymen.

Ironic, given what is going on now

[CAA Flagship]

Here's what the former president of the United States had to say when he eulogized his mentor, an Arkansas senator:

"We come to celebrate and give thanks for the remarkable life of J. William Fulbright, a life that changed our country and our world forever and for the better. ... In the work he did, the words he spoke and the life he lived, Bill Fulbright stood against the 20th century's most destructive forces and fought to advance its brightest hopes."

So spoke President William J. Clinton in 1995 of a man who was among the 99 Democrats in Congress to sign the "Southern Manifesto" in 1956. (Two Republicans also signed it.) The Southern Manifesto declared the signatories' opposition to the Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education and their commitment to segregation forever. Fulbright was also among those who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That filibuster continued for 83 days.

Speaking of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, let's review (since they don't teach this in schools): The percentage of House Democrats who supported the legislation? 61 percent. House Republicans? 80 percent. In the Senate, 69 percent of Democrats voted yes, compared with 82 percent of Republicans. (Barry Goldwater, a supporter of the NAACP, voted no because he thought it was unconstitutional.)

When he was running for president in 2000, former Vice President Al Gore told the NAACP that his father, Sen. Al Gore Sr., had lost his Senate seat because he voted for the Civil Rights Act. Uplifting story -- except it's false. Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act. He lost in 1970 in a race that focused on prayer in public schools, the Vietnam War and the Supreme Court.

Gore Jr.'s reframing of the relevant history is the story of the Democratic Party in microcosm. The party's history is pockmarked with racism and terror. The Democrats were the party of slavery, black codes, Jim Crow, and that miserable terrorist excrescence the Ku Klux Klan. Republicans were the party of Lincoln, of Reconstruction, of anti-lynching laws, of the civil rights acts of 1875, 1957, 1960 and 1964. Were all Republicans models of rectitude on racial matters? Hardly. Were they a heck of a lot better than the Democrats? Without question.

As recently as 2010, the Senate president pro tempore was former Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd, D-W.V. Rather than acknowledge their sorry history, modern Democrats have rewritten it.

You may recall that when MSNBC was commemorating the 50th anniversary of segregationist George Wallace's "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door" stunt to prevent the integration of the University of Alabama, the network identified Wallace as "R-Ala."

The Democrats have been sedulously rewriting history for decades. Their preferred version pretends that all of the Democratic racists and segregationists left their party and became Republicans starting in the 1960s. How convenient. If it were true that the South began to turn Republican due to Lyndon Johnson's passage of the Civil Rights Act, you would expect that the Deep South, the states most associated with racism, would have been the first to move. That's not what happened. The first southern states to trend Republican were on the periphery: North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, Tennessee and Florida. (George Wallace lost these voters in his 1968 bid.) The voters who first migrated to the Republican Party were suburban, prosperous "New South" types. The more Republican the South has become the less racist.

Is it unforgivable that Clinton praised a former segregationist? No. Fulbright renounced his racist past, as did Byrd and Gore Sr. It would be immoral and unjust to misrepresent the history.

What is unforgivable is the way Democrats are still using race to foment hatred. Remember what happened to Trent Lott when he uttered a few dumb words about former segregationist Strom Thurmond? He didn't get the kind of pass Bill Clinton did when praising Fulbright. Earlier this month, Hillary Clinton told a mostly black audience, "What is happening is a sweeping effort to disempower and disenfranchise people of color, poor people and young people from one end of our country to another. ... Today Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of American citizens from voting." She was presumably referring to voter ID laws, which, by the way, 51 percent of black Americans support.

Racism has an ugly past in the Democratic Party. The accusation of racism has an ugly present.

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