For all those looking for a new flag to honor those...

[Adolf Hitler]

So now killing is a good thing?

You are all over the place man, its hard to keep up with.

Did I ever say killing was absolutely wrong? No. Sometimes you have to take a person out (like Hitler).

I'm consistent.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You were asking a simple question after days of other stuff on the issue so it probably piled up a little bit?

This flag, right now isn't part of the overall thing because it's about the people it affects and what they are deciding to do because a critical mass of jerk offs taking what their flag meant to them and using as some other statement.

This is about the people it affects trying to come to grips with what they want to do and outsiders telling them what they ought to be doing because of how they peel their political banana. That's what is ridiculous to me.

Other PC bullshit, I'm with ya all the way. This ain't that.

Yep. I've said it in other threads (and even earlier in this thread) but it bears repeating: This is another step down a very slippery slope where "things", whether those things are flags, statues, memorials, naming conventions, certain books, certain words, etc., etc., are changed/cleansed/eliminated to appease a vocal minority...precedent continues to be set, and it's not a good precedent.

AZ, we agree on what you are talking about. Trouble is what you are talking about is not what is going on here from what I've seen. You are condemning the slippery slope but you are the wrong god damn mountain.

[AZGrizFan]

Yep. I've said it in other threads (and even earlier in this thread) but it bears repeating: This is another step down a very slippery slope where "things", whether those things are flags, statues, memorials, naming conventions, certain books, certain words, etc., etc., are changed/cleansed/eliminated to appease a vocal minority...precedent continues to be set, and it's not a good precedent.

AZ, we agree on what you are talking about. Trouble is what you are talking about is not what is going on here from what I've seen. You are condemning the slippery slope but you are the wrong god damn mountain.

I disagree. I guess we shall eventually see, though. I'd LOVE to be wrong on this, but don't think I am.

[Brock Landers]

How many stars and strikes flags would you see hanging around if the Brits had won the Revolutionary War?

You lost. Get over it already. Oh, your flag isn't about racism and slavery, but states rights and heritage? Tough shit. Win next time.

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Make sure to give Alpha a heads up the day before so he has time to prep and finally fulfill all his heroic gun fantasies

Also, "strikes." Nice

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

AZ, we agree on what you are talking about. Trouble is what you are talking about is not what is going on here from what I've seen. You are condemning the slippery slope but you are the wrong god damn mountain.

I disagree. I guess we shall eventually see, though. I'd LOVE to be wrong on this, but don't think I am.

I'm not saying your thing isn't still going on. It is, and it is PC bullshit. This particular thing just doesn't look to fit into that since it's coming from an internal mechanism is the difference I see here.

[houndawg]

You were asking a simple question after days of other stuff on the issue so it probably piled up a little bit?

This flag, right now isn't part of the overall thing because it's about the people it affects and what they are deciding to do because a critical mass of jerk offs taking what their flag meant to them and using as some other statement.

This is about the people it affects trying to come to grips with what they want to do and outsiders telling them what they ought to be doing because of how they peel their political banana. That's what is ridiculous to me.

Other PC bullshit, I'm with ya all the way. This ain't that.

Yep. I've said it in other threads (and even earlier in this thread) but it bears repeating: This is another step down a very slippery slope where "things", whether those things are flags, statues, memorials, naming conventions, certain books, certain words, etc., etc., are changed/cleansed/eliminated to appease a vocal minority...precedent continues to be set, and it's not a good precedent.

precedents that can come back and bite you in the ass. Anybody that wants to fly that flag can, imo, but I don't get how anybody would want to after this punk.

[Ibanez]

Did I ever say killing was absolutely wrong? No. Sometimes you have to take a person out (like Hitler).

I'm consistent.

Explain why Hitler deserved to die and the people in that church didnt, this should be good

If you don't understand why innocent people should live and why a man murdering millions doesn't, then I can't help you.

[Ibanez]

How many stars and strikes flags would you see hanging around if the Brits had won the Revolutionary War?

You lost. Get over it already. Oh, your flag isn't about racism and slavery, but states rights and heritage? Tough shit. Win next time.

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Oh no. It's over. A confederacy is a bad form of government.

[houndawg]

How many stars and strikes flags would you see hanging around if the Brits had won the Revolutionary War?

You lost. Get over it already. Oh, your flag isn't about racism and slavery, but states rights and heritage? Tough ****. Win next time.

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Unfortunately its 57-0 at the half.

[CitadelGrad]

Yep. I've said it in other threads (and even earlier in this thread) but it bears repeating: This is another step down a very slippery slope where "things", whether those things are flags, statues, memorials, naming conventions, certain books, certain words, etc., etc., are changed/cleansed/eliminated to appease a vocal minority...precedent continues to be set, and it's not a good precedent.

precedents that can come back and bite you in the ass. Anybody that wants to fly that flag can, imo, but I don't get how anybody would want to after this punk.

Too bad he wasn't wearing a Hello Kitty t-shirt.

[CitadelGrad]

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Oh no. It's over. A confederacy is a bad form of government.

A government that ignores its constitutional limits is a bad form of government.

[Ibanez]

Oh no. It's over. A confederacy is a bad form of government.

A government that ignores its constitutional limits is a bad form of government.

Expecting your government to be perfect is foolhardy.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

A government that ignores its constitutional limits is a bad form of government.

Expecting your government to be perfect is foolhardy.

Expecting them to follow the constitution is far from asking perfection brother.

[dbackjon]

Expecting your government to be perfect is foolhardy.

Expecting them to follow the constitution is far from asking perfection brother.

How is the Constitution not being followed?

[Chizzang]

How many stars and strikes flags would you see hanging around if the Brits had won the Revolutionary War?

You lost. Get over it already. Oh, your flag isn't about racism and slavery, but states rights and heritage? Tough shit. Win next time.

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Well this has been the worlds longest half time celebration...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Expecting them to follow the constitution is far from asking perfection brother.

How is the Constitution not being followed?

In my view it is but in others there are some things being stretched and I can see that point. If enough people were to think it wasn't being followed then I suppose we'd change direction on those things but right now it's not at that level.

[mrklean]

For all those looking for a new flag to honor those who died in the Civil War.... I found one

AMEN!

[JohnStOnge]

That flag offends a whole bunch of people too. How long until that one comes down as well?

I just kind of scanned a lot of the responses so I don't know if this kind of thing has been specifically mentioned but I was thinking of something related to what you typed yesterday. I was wondering what the response would be if "Native Americans" started saying that the US Flag offends them because it symbolizes forcibly taking their land, genocide, the trail of tears, etc. To me they'd have every bit as good an argument as Blacks have with respect to the Confederate Battle Flag.

What the United States did to "Native Americans" over time is at LEAST as bad as what the United States, the Confederacy, or whatever did to Blacks. Different, yes. But at least as bad. Blacks were treated as property; like horses or mules. "Native Americans" were treated as vermin; like rats or cockroaches. The only good Indian is a dead Indian. That sort of thing. Also "Native Americans" are still in pretty darned bad shape as a group. We focus almost all of our White Guilt Trip time and energy on Blacks so it's not in the news as much. But "Native Americans" aren't having the best of times as a group.

[JohnStOnge]

Take down that flag, assholes.

[JohnStOnge]

And BTW the United States Flag obviously does not honor those on the Confederate side that died in the civil war. The overwhelming majority of those guys weren't rich slave owners or anything like that. Yes, I'm sure they were racists but so were the overwhelming majority of the guys fighting on the other side. That was the way it was then. Even white people who wanted to abolish slavery, for the most part, still believed that Whites were superior to Blacks.

What the overwhelming majority of the guys fighting on the Confederate side were doing is fighting to defend their homeland from an invading army. And that invading army marched under the flag of the United States. So there's no way you honor their effort to defend their homes with the flag of the country that was attacking them.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

We will.

The war isn't over. It's only halftime.

Make sure to give Alpha a heads up the day before so he has time to prep and finally fulfill all his heroic gun fantasies

Also, "strikes." Nice

What heroic gun fantasies?

[kalm]

How is the Constitution not being followed?

In my view it is but in others there are some things being stretched and I can see that point. If enough people were to think it wasn't being followed then I suppose we'd change direction on those things but right now it's not at that level.

The 4th amendment.

[CitadelGrad]

A government that ignores its constitutional limits is a bad form of government.

Expecting your government to be perfect is foolhardy.

I don't expect perfection. I do, however, expect a government that is not corrupt and not lawless.

[Chizzang]

And BTW the United States Flag obviously does not honor those on the Confederate side that died in the civil war. The overwhelming majority of those guys weren't rich slave owners or anything like that. Yes, I'm sure they were racists but so were the overwhelming majority of the guys fighting on the other side. That was the way it was then. Even white people who wanted to abolish slavery, for the most part, still believed that Whites were superior to Blacks.

What the overwhelming majority of the guys fighting on the Confederate side were doing is fighting to defend their homeland from an invading army. And that invading army marched under the flag of the United States. So there's no way you honor their effort to defend their homes with the flag of the country that was attacking them.

I thought you were either "Fer 'Merica or again 'Merica"

Honestly John I don't really have an opinion on this - I'm just trolling like as ass...
its an easy troll bait thread - but this is for the states involved and their citizens to deal with

Other states opinions on this one are meaningless

[Ibanez]

Expecting your government to be perfect is foolhardy.

I don't expect perfection. I do, however, expect a government that is not corrupt and not lawless.

That's adorable.