Proud Potheads Pushback: Public Perceives Problem "Stoners"

[kalm]

Arguing that Marijuana is dangerous
Therefore it should be illegal - is not a strong position to debate from obviously

Arguing that Marijuana is harmful to children is also a position of weakness
Because nobody is debating that or disagreeing with that

I don't know of any strong position from which you can come at this thing

The negro and jazz music?

[travelinman67]

"Heh, heh, heh...Hey, Chizzang...you sure put Tman on the run. He can't keep up with your hyperbole.

Yeah, well I'll keep making up straw man arguments to muddy the waters, Kalm."

[89Hen]

Arguing that Marijuana is dangerous
Therefore it should be illegal - is not a strong position to debate from obviously

I've never done that.

[CAA Flagship]

Arguing that Marijuana is dangerous
Therefore it should be illegal - is not a strong position to debate from obviously

Correct. It's why the ACA should be illegal.

[travelinman67]

Pothead 101

Man burned in blast making hash oil sues butane businesses

By TIM FOUGHT - Associated Press
Friday, May 22, 2015

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - An Oregon medical marijuana patient who was badly burned in an explosion while he was legally using butane as a solvent to make hash oil is suing the makers and sellers of the fuel.
Kevin Tveisme, 28, of Portland, was injured in 2013 when his furnace clicked on, igniting butane vapor. The explosion destroyed his garage and injured a friend, Joseph Westom, who died 18 days later.
Treating marijuana with butane as a solvent extracts the potent hash oil at a low cost, but butane vapor is volatile. Explosions have become more common with the spread of legal medical and recreational marijuana.
As a medical marijuana cardholder, Tveisme was allowed to make hash oil under Oregon law, the lawsuit says.
Although the butane canisters had a “flammable” marking, the lawsuit says, the butane should have come with stickers and instructional brochures specifically warning of the volatility of the butane’s vapor.
The lawsuit also says the odorless butane should have been treated, like natural gas, with a smelly chemical to make its dangers obvious. The lawsuit was filed Wednesday in state court in Multnomah County. It seeks $11 million in damages.The suit was filed against a dozen defendants, including Shell Oil Products, a California-based distributor, and a Shell station in southeast Portland where the lawsuit says the butane was purchased. The owner of the store couldn’t be reached for comment.

Derp!

[JohnStOnge]

Derp!

I must admit that's a word I've never seen before. Another indication of the educational value of frequenting this forum.

[CID1990]

Derp!

I must admit that's a word I've never seen before. Another indication of the educational value of frequenting this forum.

It's a "hip" word, JSO

People use it to be hip

Sort of like people use the word "irregardless" to be smart

[kalm]

I must admit that's a word I've never seen before. Another indication of the educational value of frequenting this forum.

It's a "hip" word, JSO

People use it to be hip

Sort of like people use the word "irregardless" to be smart

It's popular with Tweens.

[CID1990]

It's a "hip" word, JSO

People use it to be hip

Sort of like people use the word "irregardless" to be smart

It's popular with Tweens.

I hate them

[kalm]

It's popular with Tweens.

I hate them

Me too.

[travelinman67]

Colorado Supreme Court: Employers may terminate employees for off duty marijuana use EVEN for medical reasons.

Colorado Supreme Court: Employers can fire workers for off-duty marijuana use

By Alicia Wallace
The Denver Post
Monday, June 15, 2015 - 7:42 a.m.

The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday affirmed lower courts' rulings that businesses can fire employees for the use of marijuana, even if it's for medical use and even if it's off-duty.
The 6-0 decision comes nine months after the state's highest court heard oral arguments in Brandon Coats' case against Dish Network. Coats, who had a medical marijuana card and consumed pot off-duty to control muscle spasms, was fired in 2010.Coats challenged Dish and its company policy, claiming that his use was legal under state law. The firing was upheld in both trial court and the Colorado Court of Appeals.
When the case went to the Colorado Supreme Court, legal observers said the case could have significant implications for employers across the state.Advertisement"">They also noted that the ruling could be precedent-setting as Colorado and other states wrangle with adapting laws to a nascent industry that is illegal under federal law.
As such, the question at hand is whether the use of medical marijuana — which is in compliance with Colorado's Medical Marijuana Amendment — is "lawful" under the state's Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute.That term, the justices said, refers to activities lawful under both state and federal law."Therefore, employees who engage in an activity such as medical marijuana use that is permitted by state law but unlawful under federal law are not protected by the statute," Justice Allison H. Eid wrote in the opinion.
Colorado law allows employers to set their own policies on drug use.The justices' ruling would establish a legal framework in how employers tolerate medical marijuana use by workers when off the job. It also could provide clarity in recreational marijuana use.
Six of the seven justices decided on the case. Justice Monica Marquez recused herself because her father, retired Senior Judge Jose D.L. Marquez, was on the Court of Appeals panel that upheld Coats' firing

[houndawg]

Colorado Supreme Court: Employers may terminate employees for off duty marijuana use EVEN for medical reasons.

Colorado Supreme Court: Employers can fire workers for off-duty marijuana use

By Alicia Wallace
The Denver Post
Monday, June 15, 2015 - 7:42 a.m.

The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday affirmed lower courts' rulings that businesses can fire employees for the use of marijuana, even if it's for medical use and even if it's off-duty.
The 6-0 decision comes nine months after the state's highest court heard oral arguments in Brandon Coats' case against Dish Network. Coats, who had a medical marijuana card and consumed pot off-duty to control muscle spasms, was fired in 2010.Coats challenged Dish and its company policy, claiming that his use was legal under state law. The firing was upheld in both trial court and the Colorado Court of Appeals.
When the case went to the Colorado Supreme Court, legal observers said the case could have significant implications for employers across the state.Advertisement"">They also noted that the ruling could be precedent-setting as Colorado and other states wrangle with adapting laws to a nascent industry that is illegal under federal law.
As such, the question at hand is whether the use of medical marijuana — which is in compliance with Colorado's Medical Marijuana Amendment — is "lawful" under the state's Lawful Off-Duty Activities Statute.That term, the justices said, refers to activities lawful under both state and federal law."Therefore, employees who engage in an activity such as medical marijuana use that is permitted by state law but unlawful under federal law are not protected by the statute," Justice Allison H. Eid wrote in the opinion.
Colorado law allows employers to set their own policies on drug use.The justices' ruling would establish a legal framework in how employers tolerate medical marijuana use by workers when off the job. It also could provide clarity in recreational marijuana use.
Six of the seven justices decided on the case. Justice Monica Marquez recused herself because her father, retired Senior Judge Jose D.L. Marquez, was on the Court of Appeals panel that upheld Coats' firing

Going to be real easy to get a job in CO.

[89Hen]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2172353/undera ... lacing-it/

Recently, Clinical Pediatrics published a study which showed that there was a 147.5 percent rise in exposure to Marijuana in children under the age of 5. The exposure level reportedly rose by 610 percent between the short time span between 2006 and 2013. The study also found that these numbers were higher in states that had recently legalized Marijuana for recreational use. As a whole, states where Marijuana is legal, saw a 63 percent increase in exposure in children under 6. Nation-wide, 75 percent of the under aged children exposed were ages 3 and under. Though exposure through indirect contact is common, many of the children’s tests proved that the drug had been directly ingested. Henry Spiller, co-author of the study explains what could be causing this rise.

[BDKJMU]

Official: Cannabis use impairs driving as much as alcohol says first of its kind study while drug's legality continues to spread
A National Institute on Drug Abuse study tasked stoned participants with driving a highly sophisticated driving simulator
Researchers found that after their blood levels of THC reached a certain point, the drivers weaved similarly to a driver with a BAC of .08
The study also found that combining cannabis and alcohol decreased motor skills even more than just one or the other
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rinks.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[travelinman67]

Official: Cannabis use impairs driving as much as alcohol says first of its kind study while drug's legality continues to spread
A National Institute on Drug Abuse study tasked stoned participants with driving a highly sophisticated driving simulator
Researchers found that after their blood levels of THC reached a certain point, the drivers weaved similarly to a driver with a BAC of .08
The study also found that combining cannabis and alcohol decreased motor skills even more than just one or the other
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rinks.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Yeah, so like smoking a bomb makes us smarter which alcohol doesn't. Look at me. Really, look at me. I could be teaching rocket science...I just don't want to."

[Chizzang]

So you're saying that this Marijuana stuff is a drug...?
I thought it was like cotton candy

[89Hen]

So you're saying that this Marijuana stuff is a drug...?
I thought it was like cotton candy

There are folks on this forum that think it frees up your mind and makes you smarter.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

So you're saying that this Marijuana stuff is a drug...?
I thought it was like cotton candy

There are folks on this forum that think it frees up your mind and makes you smarter.

In certain ways it apparently does. There are a lot of musicians and a ton of great music that you yourself listen to that are rooted in that mind altering substance.

What you said falls way short of what others have actually expressed. If leaving out the context helps your cause then good on ya.

[travelinman67]

There are folks on this forum that think it frees up your mind and makes you smarter.

In certain ways it apparently does. There are a lot of musicians and a ton of great music that you yourself listen to that are rooted in that mind altering substance.

And many of the most notable contemporary musicians were heroin addicts...so I guess people looking to "open" their creative juices should start shooting up.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

In certain ways it apparently does. There are a lot of musicians and a ton of great music that you yourself listen to that are rooted in that mind altering substance.

And many of the most notable contemporary musicians were heroin addicts...so I guess people looking to "open" their creative juices should start shooting up.

If that's your bag I'm fine with it. They were not probably penning the tunes while on that one though. You can keep trying to link pot to the other drugs but it makes you look like an idiot dude. Stop. It's fucking pot.

[travelinman67]

And many of the most notable contemporary musicians were heroin addicts...so I guess people looking to "open" their creative juices should start shooting up.

If that's your bag I'm fine with it. They were not probably penning the tunes while on that one though. You can keep trying to link pot to the other drugs but it makes you look like an idiot dude. Stop. It's fucking pot.

An idiot that has science and research on his side.

Unless, of course, the NIH is also full of shit.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/m ... teway-drug

Do your homework, Urpus.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

If that's your bag I'm fine with it. They were not probably penning the tunes while on that one though. You can keep trying to link pot to the other drugs but it makes you look like an idiot dude. Stop. It's fucking pot.

An idiot that has science and research on his side.

Unless, of course, the NIH is also full of shit.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/m ... teway-drug

Do your homework, Urpus.

No need, I've been around pot smokers my whole fucking life so I know you are full of shit dude. I ain't reading your link cuz you are a master of information bias so I'll assume you looked for something specific to support ya.

[kalm]

Ever heard of Neil Degrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, Margaret Mead, Seth McFarlane, Phil Jackson?

Morons...

[kalm]

Tman, I'm sure you're a family values, healthy living sort of guy. Here ya go...

Banda’s condition was devastating. According to the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation of America, Crohn’s is a chronic bowel disease that causes inflammation of the intestinal tract and produces an intestine that can no longer adequately absorb food and water. This can result in mild to severe diarrhea, abdominal cramping, blood loss and anemia, as well as joint pain and swelling. Banda says her joints were in so much pain that she did most of her parenting from the couch. But it all changed when started using cannabis oil.

“I’m not in my deathbed, I’m working for the first time in four years, I’m hiking, I’m swimming, I’m able to play with my kids, I’m able to do things — I love it,” Banda said.

She didn’t do much to hide the success she experienced from self-medicating with an unjustly illicit drug. She documented her experience in a memoir titled “Live Free or Die,” and also in a 2010 marijuana documentary on YouTube. She tried moving to Colorado to take advantage of the state’s drug laws, but simply couldn’t afford to move with her two kids.

Things took a turn for the worst when her 11-year-old son challenged drug “educators” at his school who were regurgitating refer madness propaganda to his peers. He experienced his mother’s disease go into remission because of the cannabis oil she had been using, so he voiced his opinion. That came with dire consequences.

Administrators called him into their office and asked how frequently his mother was using marijuana. Soon Child Protective Services were notified and Banda quickly lost custody of her son. CPS then notified local law enforcement, and a warrant was obtained to search her home. Authorities discovered a little more than a pound of marijuana and equipment to manufacture cannabis oil. The police said that the items taken from the house were “within easy reach of the child.”

Banda turned herself in last Monday, and posted $50,000 bond with the financial help she received from a GoFundMe account set up on her behalf. But the fight is far from over. She still doesn’t have custody of her son, and faces a maximum of 30 years in prison.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/kansas- ... juana-use/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[travelinman67]

An idiot that has science and research on his side.

Unless, of course, the NIH is also full of shit.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/m ... teway-drug

Do your homework, Urpus.

No need, I've been around pot smokers my whole fucking life so I know you are full of shit dude. I ain't reading your link cuz you are a master of information bias so I'll assume you looked for something specific to support ya.

The National Institute of Health is biased sourcing. Okey dokey.

I'll run out tonight and see if I can locate a mary-jee-wawna user as I have no experience in dealing with substance abusers.

Thankee for settin' me straight, Bozz.