50% Think Sodom and Gomorrah husband and wife

[D1B]

Yes here we are again folks...
There has been much debate on this forum about "The American Christian"
and their shocking and complete lack of knowledge of the Bible

(say it ain't so...)

The Scandal of Biblical Illiteracy: It's Our Problem
http://www.christianheadlines.com/colum ... 70946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Guy is upfront about it being Christianity's problem. What stood out to me was how many churches apparently don't present much in the way of biblical teaching.

Makes me wonder what the stats would say if you broke it up by denomination. As I attend what many on here would call a "fundie" church, we get a good biblical lesson pretty much every week.

Regardless, this is a problem for Christianity.

The solution is not to teach the bible.

The more one reads the bible the more one should realize Christianity is a total fucking joke.

The goal of organized religion is to keep people from understanding the bible and sell everlasting salvation only through their particular church.

[JoltinJoe]

Yes here we are again folks...
There has been much debate on this forum about "The American Christian"
and their shocking and complete lack of knowledge of the Bible

(say it ain't so...)

The Scandal of Biblical Illiteracy: It's Our Problem
http://www.christianheadlines.com/colum ... 70946.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And it this was a poll of Americans who identified themselves as "Chrisitian," you'd have a point. But since it wasn't, another Cleets fail.

That being said, too many people who identify themselves as "Christian" read scripture without any grasp of the context,or the reason why a particular portion of scripture was written. This ignorance results, for example, in the current rage of reading Revelation as the foretelling of end-of-times events -- when that is but a small aspect of the book's concerns.

[kalm]

Fewer than half of all adults can name the four gospels (It's Matthew, Mark, Luke...and duck, right?)Many Christians cannot identify more than two or three of the disciples. According to data from the Barna Research Group, 60 percent of Americans can't name even five of the Ten Commandments. "No wonder people break the Ten Commandments all the time. They don't know what they are," said George Barna, president of the firm. The bottom line? "Increasingly, America is biblically illiterate." [see Barna Group's web site]

Multiple surveys reveal the problem in stark terms. According to 82 percent of Americans, "God helps those who help themselves," is a Bible verse. Those identified as born-again Christians did better--by one percent. A majority of adults think the Bible teaches that the most important purpose in life is taking care of one's family.

Some of the statistics are enough to perplex even those aware of the problem. A Barna poll indicated that at least 12 percent of adults believe that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. Another survey of graduating high school seniors revealed that over 50 percent thought that Sodom and Gomorrah were husband and wife. A considerable number of respondents to one poll indicated that the Sermon on the Mount was preached by Billy Graham. We are in big trouble.

We will not believe more than we know, and we will not live higher than our beliefs. The many fronts of Christian compromise in this generation can be directly traced to biblical illiteracy in the pews and the absence of biblical preaching and teaching in our homes and churches.

What does this mean?

[JoltinJoe]

What does this mean?

What he means is if we don't read the Bible, we won't know it contains a certain teaching.

And if we don't know that teaching, we won't/can't believe in that teaching ( because we don't know it).

As a result, we won't live up to that teaching.

That is a rather ironic criticism from a guy like Mohler, who reads and interprets the Bible without any grasp of the historical context in which a text was written.

[andy7171]

[mrklean]

Fewer than half of all adults can name the four gospels (It's Matthew, Mark, Luke...and duck, right?)Many Christians cannot identify more than two or three of the disciples. According to data from the Barna Research Group, 60 percent of Americans can't name even five of the Ten Commandments. "No wonder people break the Ten Commandments all the time. They don't know what they are," said George Barna, president of the firm. The bottom line? "Increasingly, America is biblically illiterate." [see Barna Group's web site]

Multiple surveys reveal the problem in stark terms. According to 82 percent of Americans, "God helps those who help themselves," is a Bible verse. Those identified as born-again Christians did better--by one percent. A majority of adults think the Bible teaches that the most important purpose in life is taking care of one's family.

Some of the statistics are enough to perplex even those aware of the problem. A Barna poll indicated that at least 12 percent of adults believe that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. Another survey of graduating high school seniors revealed that over 50 percent thought that Sodom and Gomorrah were husband and wife. A considerable number of respondents to one poll indicated that the Sermon on the Mount was preached by Billy Graham. We are in big trouble.

We will not believe more than we know, and we will not live higher than our beliefs. The many fronts of Christian compromise in this generation can be directly traced to biblical illiteracy in the pews and the absence of biblical preaching and teaching in our homes and churches.

What does this mean?

The American Church is all missed up.

1. The most segregated time on our country is 11am on Sunday. I guess God is going to have Black and White Heaven.

2. Church is all about you giving money to the Pastor. Most people do know the true meaning of tithing.

3. Church had become too political. Being a Social activist is one thing, but to tell your congregation who to vote for is out of bounds.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Animals can get into prison, but not heaven.

Sorry, its a gated community.

[Gil Dobie]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

[Wedgebuster]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

Gil, you forgot the 50% that go for business reasons- Realtors, Morticians, Bankers, Lawyers....

[dbackjon]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

Gil, you forgot the 50% that go for business reasons- Realtors, Morticians, Bankers, Lawyers....

Politicians, Con Artists...

[SeattleGriz]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

Whew! I just squeaked in on the good 50.

[Gil Dobie]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

Gil, you forgot the 50% that go for business reasons- Realtors, Morticians, Bankers, Lawyers....

They are part of the 50% that are afraid to go to hell for what they are doing to others.

[Gil Dobie]

Gil, you forgot the 50% that go for business reasons- Realtors, Morticians, Bankers, Lawyers....

Politicians, Con Artists...

You definitely know who answered husband and wife.

[D1B]

What does this mean?

What he means is if we don't read the Bible, we won't know it contains a certain teaching.

And if we don't know that teaching, we won't/can't believe in that teaching ( because we don't know it).

As a result, we won't live up to that teaching.

That is a rather ironic criticism from a guy like Mohler, who reads and interprets the Bible without any grasp of the historical context in which a text was written.

Yeah, if only theologians used more historical context, the bible would make sense.

[D1B]

Gil, you forgot the 50% that go for business reasons- Realtors, Morticians, Bankers, Lawyers....

Politicians, Con Artists...

Pedophiles...

[JoltinJoe]

double post

[JoltinJoe]

What he means is if we don't read the Bible, we won't know it contains a certain teaching.

And if we don't know that teaching, we won't/can't believe in that teaching ( because we don't know it).

As a result, we won't live up to that teaching.

That is a rather ironic criticism from a guy like Mohler, who reads and interprets the Bible without any grasp of the historical context in which a text was written.

Yeah, if only theologians used more historical context, the bible would make sense.

Actually, all notable theologians interpret Biblical texts in the historical context in which those texts were written.

What I said is no more than saying that, in order to understand Animal Farm, one has to understand the historical context in which Orwell wrote.

[kalm]

Yeah, if only theologians used more historical context, the bible would make sense.

Actually, all notable theologians interpret Biblical texts in the historical context in which those texts were written.

What I said is no more than saying that, in order to understand Animal Farm, one has to understand the historical context in which Orwell wrote.

Except one of the endearing things about animal farm is its timelessness.

[JoltinJoe]

Actually, all notable theologians interpret Biblical texts in the historical context in which those texts were written.

What I said is no more than saying that, in order to understand Animal Farm, one has to understand the historical context in which Orwell wrote.

Except one of the endearing things about animal farm is its timelessness.

Much like the Bible.

And still, to understand Animal Farm, you must understand when it was written and why it was written.

Now here's something you might not have known. The name "Nero" in the Hebrew gematria equates to "666."

Hearing that, do you really think Revelation foretells the coming of "The Beast" and end of time?

Understanding the historical context of Revelation is critical to understanding its meaning. Not knowing the historical circumstances leads to modern-day interpreters misconstruing it as a timeline and narrative about our times. In truth, Revelation was a message to the people to whom it was addressed. To the extent it was prophetic, those prophesies have been largely fulfilled.

[89Hen]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

And that bothers you because...

[Gil Dobie]

Sounds about right. It's about 50% of the people that go to church because they are afraid to go to hell, or to follow their spouse or parents, not to learn what's in the Bible. The other half takes is seriously, and lives a spiritual life, some take it too seriously and portrait religion in a bad way.

And that bothers you because...

Facts don't bother me.

[D1B]

Except one of the endearing things about animal farm is its timelessness.

Much like the Bible.

And still, to understand Animal Farm, you must understand when it was written and why it was written.

Now here's something you might not have known. The name "Nero" in the Hebrew gematria equates to "666."

Hearing that, do you really think Revelation foretells the coming of "The Beast" and end of time?

Understanding the historical context of Revelation is critical to understanding its meaning. Not knowing the historical circumstances leads to modern-day interpreters misconstruing it as a timeline and narrative about our times. In truth, Revelation was a message to the people to whom it was addressed. To the extent it was prophetic, those prophesies have been largely fulfilled.

[D1B]

Actually, all notable theologians interpret Biblical texts in the historical context in which those texts were written.

What I said is no more than saying that, in order to understand Animal Farm, one has to understand the historical context in which Orwell wrote.

Except one of the endearing things about animal farm is its timelessness.

POTY Nomination

[JoltinJoe]

Except one of the endearing things about animal farm is its timelessness.

Much Like the Bible.

POTY Nomination.

FIFY.

[89Hen]

And that bothers you because...

Facts don't bother me.

Say it is fact... what about those people bother you?