Fed's plan on Sage Grouse Protection

[andy7171]

Fucking coward! The duck showed you up in front of you sons.

Don't talk to me like that! I'm not 93!

True. He would have killed that chicken.

[Chizzang]

It's the natural course of things. Species arise and species go extinct. Many times species go extinct because other species arise and their activity is hostile to other species.

Our species arose. Other species have gone extinct as a result and more will become extinct. Meanwhile, some species have been able to adapt to our presence and our presence has even enhanced things for other species.

We shouldn't have a law that does what the Endangered Species Act does. We shouldn't be saying that we're going to protect habitat just because if we don't some species is going to go extinct. We shouldn't have a law that says we're going to go to just about any extreme to prevent any species from going extinct just for the sake of preventing species from going extinct. Species go extinct. What the hell are we doing having a law that does all that crap to prevent species from going extinct when we know species are going to go extinct? What we're doing is insane.

There are a lot of ways to measure insanity John...
I agree with some of what you say up there in your post and disagree with some of it
But to say we should NOT take some measures to seek a balance
and to say we should NOT be less bombastic and disruptive as we plow forward at full speed

To say those things might also seem insane in light of the whole picture

[kalm]

It's the natural course of things. Species arise and species go extinct. Many times species go extinct because other species arise and their activity is hostile to other species.

Our species arose. Other species have gone extinct as a result and more will become extinct. Meanwhile, some species have been able to adapt to our presence and our presence has even enhanced things for other species.

We shouldn't have a law that does what the Endangered Species Act does. We shouldn't be saying that we're going to protect habitat just because if we don't some species is going to go extinct. We shouldn't have a law that says we're going to go to just about any extreme to prevent any species from going extinct just for the sake of preventing species from going extinct. Species go extinct. What the hell are we doing having a law that does all that crap to prevent species from going extinct when we know species are going to go extinct? What we're doing is insane.

There are a lot of ways to measure insanity John...
I agree with some of what you say up there in your post and disagree with some of it
But to say we should NOT take some measures to seek a balance
and to say we should NOT be less bombastic and disruptive as we plow forward at full speed

To say those things might also seem insane in light of the whole picture

Is it insane to preserve a species and its natural habitat at the expense of some minor inconvenience?

I think it's a moral question.

[kalm]

Are you fucking kidding me?

You wouldn't have shot it?

Grouse is delicious you idiot.

First of all it wasnt hunting season when this happened so you and your lowboy are trying to encourage poaching?

Real responsible..........................Yes I know grouse is good (not better than pheasant) I have shot multiple dozens of them with my bow.

1). There is no season Sage grouse.

2). Did I say it wasn't hunting season?

3). Like this has stopped you before.

[Chizzang]

There are a lot of ways to measure insanity John...
I agree with some of what you say up there in your post and disagree with some of it
But to say we should NOT take some measures to seek a balance
and to say we should NOT be less bombastic and disruptive as we plow forward at full speed

To say those things might also seem insane in light of the whole picture

Is it insane to preserve a species and its natural habitat at the expense of some minor inconvenience?

I think it's a moral question.

Morality does not apply to animals kalm - get that straight

[CID1990]

Source? Link?

A few years back I was traveling down a semi-remote winding, dirt road in the Columbia Basin on my way to a favorite fishing spot and came across a sage grouse hen. She was on the side of the road but instead of running or flying as we slowed down and approached, she held her ground.

The grouse then walked slowly to the middle of the road in front of my truck, stopped and looked back toward the grasses she had come from. Slowly, out popped a half dozen chicks. The mother stood her ground in front of my Tundra until the last chick had crossed and disappeared back into the roadside brush before she scurried across to join them.

I'd provide a link to her first person feelings on the matter, but it's difficult to type with these:

Well then right there is the problem.

Any bird that doesn't have the good sense to stay put of the way of trucks and cars is going to be endangered.

That bird was just lucky she ran across a pussy ass thoughtful moderate in a Tundra!

If it had been me she would have been DRT

[CID1990]

Is it insane to preserve a species and its natural habitat at the expense of some minor inconvenience?

I think it's a moral question.

Morality does not apply to animals kalm - get that straight

That's right - not to us humanists!

Want to know why?

Because humans aren't tasty.

(or so I'm told)

[travelinman67]

This has little to do with conservation and protection.

This is about BLM goal of blocking energy development on BLM land. Period.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... rotections

[kalm]

A few years back I was traveling down a semi-remote winding, dirt road in the Columbia Basin on my way to a favorite fishing spot and came across a sage grouse hen. She was on the side of the road but instead of running or flying as we slowed down and approached, she held her ground.

The grouse then walked slowly to the middle of the road in front of my truck, stopped and looked back toward the grasses she had come from. Slowly, out popped a half dozen chicks. The mother stood her ground in front of my Tundra until the last chick had crossed and disappeared back into the roadside brush before she scurried across to join them.

I'd provide a link to her first person feelings on the matter, but it's difficult to type with these:

Well then right there is the problem.

Any bird that doesn't have the good sense to stay put of the way of trucks and cars is going to be endangered.

That bird was just lucky she ran across a pussy ass thoughtful moderate in a Tundra!

If it had been me she would have been DRT

Thanks for sharing AlphaClitz jr!

I didn't say she was smart. Grouse are like the BDK's or Dal's of the bird world.

[kalm]

This has little to do with conservation and protection.

This is about BLM goal of blocking energy development on BLM land. Period.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... rotections

Another dumb article from the energy cash soaked Heartland Institute.

The BLM isn't taking away the right to extract energy or graze, just doing as it should…managing federal lands for all interests.

[travelinman67]

This has little to do with conservation and protection.

This is about BLM goal of blocking energy development on BLM land. Period.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... rotections

Another dumb article from the energy cash soaked Heartland Institute.

The BLM isn't taking away the right to extract energy or graze, just doing as it should…managing federal lands for all interests.

False. The Sage Grouse debate has been going on for 15 years. The Interior Dept. has been managing the leases to protect the Sage Grouse. This action was Obama's fulfillment of a promise to CBD to block additional leasing in trade for CBD dropping their lawsuit.

Environmental extremist extortion.

[kalm]

Another dumb article from the energy cash soaked Heartland Institute.

The BLM isn't taking away the right to extract energy or graze, just doing as it should…managing federal lands for all interests.

False. The Sage Grouse debate has been going on for 15 years. The Interior Dept. has been managing the leases to protect the Sage Grouse. This action was Obama's fulfillment of a promise to CBD to block additional leasing in trade for CBD dropping their lawsuit.

Environmental extremist extortion.

Aka government protecting federal lands for ALL of the people?

Oh yeah...and link?

[Ivytalk]

I just know it. I don't even think it's a "scientific" question. It's obvious. If the sage grouse went extinct it would make absolutely no difference in our lives. Most people have never seen one. Most people WILL never see one. It's like Do Do Birds and Passenger Pigeons. If they disappear life will go on.

In any case the burden of proof ought to be on those who want to cause all kinds of **** in order to prevent a species from going extinct. They ought to have to show how life just CAN'T go on if THAT species goes extinct even though life has gone on over billions of years while more than 99% of species that have ever exited have already gone extinct.

The Endangered Species Act is one of the stupidest things this country has ever done. And it's causing all kinds of stupid decisions.

I agree John. It's more of a moral question. We can cause minor inconveniences to energy extractors and save one of God's creatures from extinction or we can place the almighty dollar ahead of that.

I still marvel at all of God's creations. I feel sorry for you.

I had one of those moments on Memorial Day weekend. A magnificent blue heron rose up out of the water plants on the far banks of the Broad Creek, flew straight past me (I was standing on our town dock), and soared into the sky over a neighbor's property. Why waste a cell phone picture on a moment like that?

[CID1990]

False. The Sage Grouse debate has been going on for 15 years. The Interior Dept. has been managing the leases to protect the Sage Grouse. This action was Obama's fulfillment of a promise to CBD to block additional leasing in trade for CBD dropping their lawsuit.

Environmental extremist extortion.

Aka government protecting federal lands for ALL of the people?

Oh yeah...and link?

Well can I come there and shoot one? Since the gummint is protecting them for me to enjoy and all?

do they go well with white or red wine?

[Chizzang]

I agree John. It's more of a moral question. We can cause minor inconveniences to energy extractors and save one of God's creatures from extinction or we can place the almighty dollar ahead of that.

I still marvel at all of God's creations. I feel sorry for you.

I had one of those moments on Memorial Day weekend. A magnificent blue heron rose up out of the water plants on the far banks of the Broad Creek, flew straight past me (I was standing on our town dock), and soared into the sky over a neighbor's property. Why waste a cell phone picture on a moment like that?

Um...
They're called the "Great Blue Heron" NOT the "Magnificent Blue Heron"



Ornithological studies is my past time

[andy7171]

I had one of those moments on Memorial Day weekend. A magnificent blue heron rose up out of the water plants on the far banks of the Broad Creek, flew straight past me (I was standing on our town dock), and soared into the sky over a neighbor's property. Why waste a cell phone picture on a moment like that?

Um...
They're called the "Great Blue Heron" NOT the "Magnificent Blue Heron"



Ornithological studies is my past time

Nit picky. What if it were just a heron, blue. IT ain't not birder. I see plenty at my parents river cottage. Green blue whatever. If you've ever heard one make a noise there is no doubt they are related to the dinosaurs.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I had one of those moments on Memorial Day weekend. A magnificent blue heron rose up out of the water plants on the far banks of the Broad Creek, flew straight past me (I was standing on our town dock), and soared into the sky over a neighbor's property. Why waste a cell phone picture on a moment like that?

Um...
They're called the "Great Blue Heron" NOT the "Magnificent Blue Heron"



Ornithological studies is my past time

Man I miss good cleets, at least he isnt a self outed homo

[89Hen]

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Morality does not apply to animals kalm - get that straight

That's right - not to us humanists!

Want to know why?

Because humans aren't tasty.

(or so I'm told)

Wrong, they are fine if you prepare them correctly.

[travelinman67]

Aka government protecting federal lands for ALL of the people?

Oh yeah...and link?

Well can I come there and shoot one? Since the gummint is protecting them for me to enjoy and all?

do they go well with white or red wine?

A light white or soft pinot noir or rhone. Use thyme, not sage or rosemary.

[travelinman67]

I had one of those moments on Memorial Day weekend. A magnificent blue heron rose up out of the water plants on the far banks of the Broad Creek, flew straight past me (I was standing on our town dock), and soared into the sky over a neighbor's property. Why waste a cell phone picture on a moment like that?

Um...
They're called the "Great Blue Heron" NOT the "Magnificent Blue Heron"



Ornithological studies is my past time

See...I have always said you had a bird brain.

[JohnStOnge]

People, the Endangered Species Act is lunacy. Just ask the people who are suffering because of devotion to saving the Delta Smelt. It's insane. The body of law established by the Endangered Species Act should be eliminated. It won't be. But it should be.

[kalm]

People, the Endangered Species Act is lunacy. Just ask the people who are suffering because of devotion to saving the Delta Smelt. It's insane. The body of law established by the Endangered Species Act should be eliminated. It won't be. But it should be.

Who's suffering?

The ESA is a sign that we are evolving in our role of stewardship towards mother earth. Some of us anyway.

Thanks Nixon!

[andy7171]

Well can I come there and shoot one? Since the gummint is protecting them for me to enjoy and all?

do they go well with white or red wine?

A light white or soft pinot noir or rhone. Use thyme, not sage or rosemary.

No sage in the Sage Grouse?

[YoUDeeMan]

It's like Do Do Birds...

We have something similar to those out here in the East. We call them Doo Doo Birds, aka seagulls. They tend to shit on people who feed them.