What was so great about Jesus?

[CID1990]

I will be watching it in Vienna Austria where I am spending Xmas this year.

With German subtitles!

Luke, ich bin dein Vater!

It's not like the dialogue is ever the attraction in these movies anyway.

Now, getting to see "Die Hard" with German voiceovers (would they do English voiceovers on the parts that are actually in German? That's an interesting questions) would be cool.

But Christmas in Vienna, that's pretty nice.

any country that has a Christmas demon that whips your ass with switches is ok in my book

i am already threatening my daughters with Krampus

[GannonFan]

It's not like the dialogue is ever the attraction in these movies anyway.

Now, getting to see "Die Hard" with German voiceovers (would they do English voiceovers on the parts that are actually in German? That's an interesting questions) would be cool.

But Christmas in Vienna, that's pretty nice.

any country that has a Christmas demon that whips your ass with switches is ok in my book

i am already threatening my daughters with Krampus

Isn't it great just soaking up the local culture??? It's like Europeans flocking to Texas to check out biker gangs, it's a small world but with lots of interesting differences.

[D1B]

You're continuing to embarrass yourself and those of us that didn't wash out of Engineering school. The next time you're talking to actual degreed Engineers use m and v for mass and velocity. While M and V will be understood from the context, because you're talking to college graduates and both are technically acceptable, they (Engineers) will laugh and call you a wannabee behind your back. Generally we (Engineers) use "M" to represent molecular weight and "m" for mass. Same thing with "V", use it for volts and use "v" for velocity and you'll increase your chances of people thinking you're a real Engineer. Always capitalize "Engineer".

Hey, now wait a minute, if you're going to get all high and mighty about correct abbreviations, again, almost akin to an English major trying to point out a spelling mistake on a message board, then you can't make a mistake like you just did above. Nobody uses "M" to stand for molecular weight - normally "MW" is the abbreviation for molecular weight, or people just use the actual units of molecular weight (grams per mole for instance). "M" is also used for moments of force, but since you switched to chemistry I thought we should start there. "M" is also used for molarity, but that's about concentration, not weight per se. Anytime anyone uses "M" for molecular weight, it's shown as "M" with an underscore (never by itself - "M" by itself means molarity) for whatever atom you are expressing it in reference of since it's a ratio and dimensionless. If you're going to be a nitpicker, you need to be correct yourself, which in this case, you weren't. Shame on you.

Nice try, Gagondickfan. You got punked and now you're trying to save face.

Say, can you post a list of any bridges, tunnels or structures you had a hand in desigining? Wanna make sure we steer clear of em.....for safety reasons.

[D1B]

Perhaps this won't interest any of you who had it all figured out when you were 10, but anyway here's an article about a brilliant MIT professor, a religious Orthodox Jew, who is on the cutting edge of a remarkable theory concerning the onset of intelligent life.

http://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/the-man ... rwin/39217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not really Joe.

No one said they "had it all figured out."

Christian/Catholic bullshit figured out? - yup.

[GannonFan]

Hey, now wait a minute, if you're going to get all high and mighty about correct abbreviations, again, almost akin to an English major trying to point out a spelling mistake on a message board, then you can't make a mistake like you just did above. Nobody uses "M" to stand for molecular weight - normally "MW" is the abbreviation for molecular weight, or people just use the actual units of molecular weight (grams per mole for instance). "M" is also used for moments of force, but since you switched to chemistry I thought we should start there. "M" is also used for molarity, but that's about concentration, not weight per se. Anytime anyone uses "M" for molecular weight, it's shown as "M" with an underscore (never by itself - "M" by itself means molarity) for whatever atom you are expressing it in reference of since it's a ratio and dimensionless. If you're going to be a nitpicker, you need to be correct yourself, which in this case, you weren't. Shame on you.

Nice try, Gagondickfan. You got punked and now you're trying to save face.

Say, can you post a list of any bridges, tunnels or structures you had a hand in desigining? Wanna make sure we steer clear of em.....for safety reasons.

Sorry, that was over your head. And yes, houndawg was incorrect in his usage of "M" for molecular weight. Sometimes hubris gets in the way of accuracy, although I'm sure you're already familiar with that.

And no, I've never designed a bridge or had the hand in doing one - not sure why you think that is my profession. Is this an accuracy thing again with you?

[houndawg]

Nice try, Gagondickfan. You got punked and now you're trying to save face.

Say, can you post a list of any bridges, tunnels or structures you had a hand in desigining? Wanna make sure we steer clear of em.....for safety reasons.

Sorry, that was over your head. And yes, houndawg was incorrect in his usage of "M" for molecular weight. Sometimes hubris gets in the way of accuracy, although I'm sure you're already familiar with that.

And no, I've never designed a bridge or had the hand in doing one - not sure why you think that is my profession. Is this an accuracy thing again with you?

Back in the day things were different

[GannonFan]

Sorry, that was over your head. And yes, houndawg was incorrect in his usage of "M" for molecular weight. Sometimes hubris gets in the way of accuracy, although I'm sure you're already familiar with that.

And no, I've never designed a bridge or had the hand in doing one - not sure why you think that is my profession. Is this an accuracy thing again with you?

Back in the day things were different

Like I said, just a detail, not monumentally important.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Perhaps this won't interest any of you who had it all figured out when you were 10, but anyway here's an article about a brilliant MIT professor, a religious Orthodox Jew, who is on the cutting edge of a remarkable theory concerning the onset of intelligent life.

http://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/the-man ... rwin/39217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not really Joe.

No one said they "had it all figured out."

Christian/Catholic bullshit figured out? - yup.

That is weird for him to repeat again? Hell I explained his incorrect take on what I said and yet he continues forward with that? Oh well, he's apparently hurt so I'll leave it be.

[JoltinJoe]

Not really Joe.

No one said they "had it all figured out."

Christian/Catholic bullshit figured out? - yup.

That is weird for him to repeat again? Hell I explained his incorrect take on what I said and yet he continues forward with that? Oh well, he's apparently hurt so I'll leave it be.

No, I got it right. Here's a brilliant MIT professor who accepts the OldTestament -- but you knew more about faith at the age of 10 than he does.

[kalm]

That is weird for him to repeat again? Hell I explained his incorrect take on what I said and yet he continues forward with that? Oh well, he's apparently hurt so I'll leave it be.

No, I got it right. Here's a brilliant MIT professor who accepts the OldTestament -- but you knew more about faith at the age of 10 than he does.

If he accepts the OT then yes, most 10 year olds have figured it out better.

You're not helping yourself here, Joe.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

No, I got it right. Here's a brilliant MIT professor who accepts the OldTestament -- but you knew more about faith at the age of 10 than he does.

If he accepts the OT then yes, most 10 year olds have figured it out better.

You're not helping yourself here, Joe.

Poor guy can't get it right no matter how hard he tries. I can certainly say I knew more at 10 on this subject for what I was willing to believe than whatever some moron (doesn't matter what his education in other fields is) does if he's trying to shovel this religious doctrine shit on me.

BTW, if me and MIT feller are stuck on the side of a mountain at around 5,000 ft. and need to go up to get out but his sled ain't tuned to make it then I'll give myself better chances at tuning the jets in that carb to help him over the top as well. Now there is certainly a myriad of other items I'll defer to MIT guy on.

But trying to pretend I'm a rube down the midway for his sky carney act? Not happening tiger.

[JoltinJoe]

No, I got it right. Here's a brilliant MIT professor who accepts the OldTestament -- but you knew more about faith at the age of 10 than he does.

If he accepts the OT then yes, most 10 year olds have figured it out better.

You're not helping yourself here, Joe.

You make me laugh. I know you don't mean to. But you do.

[JoltinJoe]

If he accepts the OT then yes, most 10 year olds have figured it out better.

You're not helping yourself here, Joe.

Poor guy can't get it right no matter how hard he tries. I can certainly say I knew more at 10 on this subject for what I was willing to believe than whatever some moron (doesn't matter what his education in other fields is) does if he's trying to shovel this religious doctrine **** on me.

BTW, if me and MIT feller are stuck on the side of a mountain at around 5,000 ft. and need to go up to get out but his sled ain't tuned to make it then I'll give myself better chances at tuning the jets in that carb to help him over the top as well. Now there is certainly a myriad of other items I'll defer to MIT guy on.

But trying to pretend I'm a rube down the midway for his sky carney act? Not happening tiger.

So then I got it right. The OT is a load of manure; you had that figured out at 10; and you understood more about faith at the age of 10 than he does today.

Got it.

That you keep repeating yourself, and then claim that I don't understand what you are saying, only confirms what I said when I said I don't think you know what you actually sound like when you say you had it figured out when you were 10.

You haven't spend much time at all, at any time in your life, thinking about faith in adult terms and from an adult's perspective.

[kalm]

If he accepts the OT then yes, most 10 year olds have figured it out better.

You're not helping yourself here, Joe.

You make me laugh. I know you don't mean to. But you do.

Joe, I need help. How do I explain to my sons that I'm not allowed to congregate with them?

[Ibanez]

What was so great Columbus?

What was so great about Custer?

What was so great about Tut?

What was so great about Michael Jackson?

Then there's David Letterman. Never did get that one. Then today I had to see a bunch of David Letterman worship while watching news channels.

Then there's JSO....

[JohnStOnge]

Then there's David Letterman. Never did get that one. Then today I had to see a bunch of David Letterman worship while watching news channels.

Then there's JSO....

Except that there aren't people running around all the time saying how great I am. When you wonder why people say someone is really great when you're just not seeing it the first cut is that people have to be saying someone is really great.

So then you can get into things like David Letterman, Madonna back in the 80s, Kanye West and that woman he apparently thinks so much of Beyonce. You're talking about "Why the F*ck are people willing to pay money to see or hear these people" people. Nobody's paying money to see ME.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Poor guy can't get it right no matter how hard he tries. I can certainly say I knew more at 10 on this subject for what I was willing to believe than whatever some moron (doesn't matter what his education in other fields is) does if he's trying to shovel this religious doctrine **** on me.

BTW, if me and MIT feller are stuck on the side of a mountain at around 5,000 ft. and need to go up to get out but his sled ain't tuned to make it then I'll give myself better chances at tuning the jets in that carb to help him over the top as well. Now there is certainly a myriad of other items I'll defer to MIT guy on.

But trying to pretend I'm a rube down the midway for his sky carney act? Not happening tiger.

So then I got it right. The OT is a load of manure; you had that figured out at 10; and you understood more about faith at the age of 10 than he does today.

Got it.

That you keep repeating yourself, and then claim that I don't understand what you are saying, only confirms what I said when I said I don't think you know what you actually sound like when you say you had it figured out when you were 10.

You haven't spend much time at all, at any time in your life, thinking about faith in adult terms and from an adult's perspective.

First, yes you have it right in what I've given you. You see I tried explaining once with a nice tone that you had misunderstood what I said. That didn't matter to you because you were hurt by my original statement so you tried to make it about that and manufacture something that was not there. So it's obvious emotion won't allow you to discuss something so no need on my end to coddle you and try and save your feelings.

I don't need to rethink shit that was quite simple for me to not believe at a young age. I'm not an asshat that believes in your organized religious bullshit. You could leave it at that but you don't...you need me to be on your team or you are hurt that I am not. Too bad man.

I have thought about faith in adult terms outside of what you believe however. If you want to be a sucker I got no problem with it. Feel free to pursue what you believe. You're a needy fella JJ, work on that if you get the chance.

[JoltinJoe]

I'm not the needy one. You seem, though, to have some need to ridicule Judeo/Christian belief as something so frivolous that a 10-year-old can see through the "BS."

And if you have otherwise thought about faith as an adult, then I was wrong to say otherwise. But I would never ridicule you for what you think or believe.

What bothers me is when someone tries to posit atheism as intellectually superior to faith - while dismissing faith as something child-like, or while depicting faith as belief in something like a Santa Claus in the sky.

There are plenty of reasonable thinking atheists, but I don't respect atheism when it results from being an assertion of being intellectually superior to faith. The MIT professor isn't necessarily right. He is just a good example of someone who has a profound faith based on reasoned inquiry.

[kalm]

I'm not the needy one. You seem, though, to have some need to ridicule Judeo/Christian belief as something so frivolous that a 10-year-old can see through the "BS."

And if you have otherwise thought about faith as an adult, then I was wrong to say otherwise. But I would never ridicule you for what you think or believe.

What bothers me is when someone tries to posit atheism as intellectually superior to faith - while dismissing faith as something child-like, or while depicting faith as belief in something like a Santa Claus in the sky.

There are plenty of reasonable thinking atheists, but I don't respect atheism when it results from being an assertion of being intellectually superior to faith. The MIT professor isn't right necessarily right. He is just a good example of someone who has a profound faith based on reasoned inquiry.

Joe, you do this in reverse all the time. In fact, you're required to.

You're poking the bear hear with Ursus, so be wary.

Oh, and you didn't answer my sincere question:

How do I explain to my sons that I'm not allowed to congregate with them?

I'd like to think that we both know how the OT is full of bat shit crazy non-sensical ramblings. Reasoned inquiry not withstanding. Perhaps not though?

[Ibanez]

Then there's JSO....

Except that there aren't people running around all the time saying how great I am. When you wonder why people say someone is really great when you're just not seeing it the first cut is that people have to be saying someone is really great.

So then you can get into things like David Letterman, Madonna back in the 80s, Kanye West and that woman he apparently thinks so much of Beyonce. You're talking about "Why the F*ck are people willing to pay money to see or hear these people" people. Nobody's paying money to see ME.

Don't underestimate yourself.


You don't seem to have an appreciation for music or entertainment. Just because it's something you don't like, doesn't mean it has no value.


Except for Nickelback. Nobody likes them.

[kalm]

Except that there aren't people running around all the time saying how great I am. When you wonder why people say someone is really great when you're just not seeing it the first cut is that people have to be saying someone is really great.

So then you can get into things like David Letterman, Madonna back in the 80s, Kanye West and that woman he apparently thinks so much of Beyonce. You're talking about "Why the F*ck are people willing to pay money to see or hear these people" people. Nobody's paying money to see ME.

Don't underestimate yourself.


You don't seem to have an appreciation for music or entertainment. Just because it's something you don't like, doesn't mean it has no value.


Except for Nickelback. Nobody likes them.

IIRC, JSO appreciates the Violent Femmes and some 70's classic rock and punk. And AZ likes the Nickleback.

Yes…I'm stalking you this morning.

[Ibanez]

And yet, you haven't disproven my premise, just quoted Wiki equations.

Here's a simple way to learn about M and V.

Go to a bar.

Insult an athletic looking skinny guy.

Next, insult a larger guy with 20"+ biceps.

Get back to me when you can talk again.

You're continuing to embarrass yourself and those of us that didn't wash out of Engineering school. The next time you're talking to actual degreed Engineers use m and v for mass and velocity. While M and V will be understood from the context, because you're talking to college graduates and both are technically acceptable, they (Engineers) will laugh and call you a wannabee behind your back. Generally we (Engineers) use "M" to represent molecular weight and "m" for mass. Same thing with "V", use it for volts and use "v" for velocity and you'll increase your chances of people thinking you're a real Engineer. Always capitalize "Engineer".

Whoa! You're mixing two different sciences: Chemistry and Physics.

[JoltinJoe]

I'm not the needy one. You seem, though, to have some need to ridicule Judeo/Christian belief as something so frivolous that a 10-year-old can see through the "BS."

And if you have otherwise thought about faith as an adult, then I was wrong to say otherwise. But I would never ridicule you for what you think or believe.

What bothers me is when someone tries to posit atheism as intellectually superior to faith - while dismissing faith as something child-like, or while depicting faith as belief in something like a Santa Claus in the sky.

There are plenty of reasonable thinking atheists, but I don't respect atheism when it results from being an assertion of being intellectually superior to faith. The MIT professor isn't right necessarily right. He is just a good example of someone who has a profound faith based on reasoned inquiry.

Joe, you do this in reverse all the time. In fact, you're required to.

You're poking the bear hear with Ursus, so be wary.

Oh, and you didn't answer my sincere question:

How do I explain to my sons that I'm not allowed to congregate with them?

I'd like to think that we both know how the OT is full of bat **** crazy non-sensical ramblings. Reasoned inquiry not withstanding. Perhaps not though?

Look, I don't "so this in reverse all the time." I only do it when an atheist starts talking about Santa Claus in the Sky, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

An atheist like Nietzsche -- now there's a genuine thinker who doesn't need to create a straw man. He understands the faith of others, and takes it seriously enough to address that faith in a meaningful way.

As I said, there are plenty of reasonable, thinking atheists.

[Ibanez]

Don't underestimate yourself.


You don't seem to have an appreciation for music or entertainment. Just because it's something you don't like, doesn't mean it has no value.


Except for Nickelback. Nobody likes them.

IIRC, JSO appreciates the Violent Femmes and some 70's classic rock and punk. And AZ likes the Nickleback.

Yes…I'm stalking you this morning.

I've noticed that.

And like I said, nobody like Nickleback.

[kalm]

Joe, you do this in reverse all the time. In fact, you're required to.

You're poking the bear hear with Ursus, so be wary.

Oh, and you didn't answer my sincere question:

How do I explain to my sons that I'm not allowed to congregate with them?

I'd like to think that we both know how the OT is full of bat **** crazy non-sensical ramblings. Reasoned inquiry not withstanding. Perhaps not though?

Look, I don't "so this in reverse all the time." I only do it when an atheist starts talking about Santa Claus in the Sky, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

An atheist like Nietzsche -- now there's a genuine thinker who doesn't need to create a straw man. He understands the faith of others, and takes it seriously enough to address that faith in a meaningful way.

As I said, there are plenty of reasonable, thinking atheists.

Yes, Joe. You've posited faith as intellectually superior to atheism and agnosticism quite often. You have to and I get that. I would too if I were in your shoes.

The challenge for you lies in having to know for sure that you're right. Agnostics don't have that hurdle. That's one of the core principles of intellectualism.

Now, about that question I asked...