Intelligent Design...thread # 25

[JohnStOnge]

1). Evolution is a world view?

Yes.

2). Does high IQ = smart?

Yes.

[JohnStOnge]

It may be that the guy I saw was a physicist. I think it may have been this guy:

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/rele ... wnes.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Chizzang]

s when a God person says they don;t believe in Evolution but they do believe in God
So what they're actually saying (but too stupid to actually understand) is their personal
concept of God is so limited and controlled by others that they cannot believe in Evolution

Instead of simply letting go of fundamentalism and exploring the idea that God can be larger
than some ancient text written by iron age dullards

I think that there are people who are far more intelligent than either you or I who do not believe in the overall theory of evolution. I think you need to be careful about thinking that someone can only disagree with your own world view because they're just not as smart as you are.

I once actually met a science Nobel Prize winner who was a Creationist at the time. Unfortunately can't remember his name. I think he won the Prize in Chemistry. I went to see him because he was advertised as speaking at some big Church and I was intrigued by someone with his credentials speaking in support of Creationism. I actually got to talk to him a little as people were given the opportunity to do that. I asked him some questions. I was not convinced either by his lecture or by his answers to my questions. I went wondering if he REALLY had something and I came way not thinking that he did.

Nevertheless, I have NO doubt that he had a lot higher IQ than I do and I suspect it was a lot higher than yours is as well. Don't KNOW that. But I think he was probably WAY up there on the IQ scale so if I had to bet I'd bet his IQ was higher than that of anybody I interact with on this board.

In retrospect I'm kind of disappointed in myself for not making a record of his name, etc., so I could provide that when I relate the story. It was back in the 1980s and all I remember is the general situation, being intrigued by a Nobel Prize winner in the sciences speaking in support of Creationism, and going away thinking he didn't really make that good a case.

So what you're saying is he didn't believe in Evolution BECAUSE
he wanted to believe in Fundamentalist God instead
and proceeded to put forth a terrible argument on behalf of Creationism

Ya...
Sounds like a smart guy - I have no doubt - I've met some brilliant Fundamentalist Mormons
And they were as dumb as a box of rocks

Two of the Muslim Fundamentalists who tried to blow up the subway in London were Doctors

Yup... Still stupid

[JohnStOnge]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

[Grizalltheway]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

The theory (theory, not law: important distinction) of evolution is far closer to being "gospel" than anything in the Bible, which is based on the ignorant ramblings of goat herders.

[CID1990]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

Wait a sec.... you keyword searched on the word "of"??

[CID1990]

Sometimes I question the intelligence of a designer who "designed" the human race.

[D1B]

Sometimes I question the intelligence of a designer who "designed" the human race.

I question the same thing thousands of times a day, millions during Super Bowl weekend and Election Day.

[Pwns]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

So true. I get a chuckle out of people that think a changing environment altering allele frequencies in a population is the same thing as anuclear cells spontaneously becoming diverse multi-trillion-celled organisms with huge genomes and complex organ systems over many generations. Or worse, people that think bacterial antibiotic resistance is in any way comparable as well. If you say these things you either have a poor understanding of biology or you are using the same type of thinking that you rebuke creationists for using.

[kalm]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

So true. I get a chuckle out of people that think a changing environment altering allele frequencies in a population is the same thing as anuclear cells spontaneously becoming diverse multi-trillion-celled organisms with huge genomes and complex organ systems over many generations. Or worse, people that think bacterial antibiotic resistance is in any way comparable as well. If you say these things you either have a poor understanding of biology or you are using the same type of thinking that you rebuke creationists for using.

Oh yeah? Well my neighbor was born without wisdom teeth and evidently that's a growing trend.

[SeattleGriz]

I like a quote you can get to by going to https://books.google.com/books?id=jaV4g ... le&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; because I think it is absolutely on point. You can see it by scrolling down a little to page 149.

Here it is:



I particularly like the reference to "embarrassing experimental shortcomings" because that absolutely nails the problem with the dogmatic attitude associated with people, many of them who have not the slightest rudimentary clue with respect to what the scientific method actually requires, who act like the overall theory of evolution is the Word from the God known as "Science" because that's what they've been told.

So true. I get a chuckle out of people that think a changing environment altering allele frequencies in a population is the same thing as anuclear cells spontaneously becoming diverse multi-trillion-celled organisms with huge genomes and complex organ systems over many generations. Or worse, people that think bacterial antibiotic resistance is in any way comparable as well. If you say these things you either have a poor understanding of biology or you are using the same type of thinking that you rebuke creationists for using.