You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangmanIbanez wrote:Citgrad doesn't speak for all whites. He's a racist douche.mrklean wrote:
and the rednecks are still stupid as ever!
Another example of kkklean's substitution of gut reaction for thought. Lee didn't relish fighting against the Union. He loved the Commonwealth of Virginia, and stayed loyal to his home state. Nor was he a race-baiter. Read a bio of the great man, Kleenex, before you string him up.mrklean wrote:You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangmanIbanez wrote:
Citgrad doesn't speak for all whites. He's a racist douche.
I find it hilarious that you label all whites as rednecks when someone says something dumb, but the minute anyone talks disparagingly about a black guy/gal, the first thing you do is defend them to no end.mrklean wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
The negro was removed from one plantation and placed in another.
and the rednecks are still stupid as ever!
mrklean wrote:You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangmanIbanez wrote:
Citgrad doesn't speak for all whites. He's a racist douche.
Again, the difference between Lee and Washington is that Lee (although a better military leader) lost his war. By slave holders.Ibanez wrote:mrklean wrote:
You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangman
Lee was a traitor, the same that the following men were:
1. John Hancock
2. Josiah Bartlett
3. William Whipple
4. Matthew Thornton
5. Samuel Adams
6. John Adams
7. Robert Treat Paine
8. Elbridge Gerry
9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
11. Roger Sherman
12. Samuel Huntington
13. William Williams
14. Oliver Wolcott
15. William Floyd
16. Philip Livingston
17. Francis Lewis
18. Lewis Morris
19. Richard Stockton
20. John Witherspoon
21. Francis Hopkinson
22. John Hart
23. Abraham Clark
24. Robert Morris
25. Benjamin Rush
26. Benjamin Franklin
27. John Morton
28. George Clymer
29. James Smith
30. George Taylor
31. James Wilson
32. George Ross
33. George Read
34. Caesar Rodney
35. Thomas McKean
36. Samuel Chase
37. William Paca
38. Thomas Stone
39. Charles Carroll of Carrollton
40. George Wythe
41. Richard Henry Lee
42. Thomas Jefferson
43. Benjamin Harrison
44. Thomas Nelson, Jr.
45. Francis Lightfoot Lee
46. Carter Braxton
47. William Hooper
48. Joseph Hewes
49. John Penn
50. Edward Rutledge
51. Thomas Heyward, Jr.
52. Thomas Lynch, Jr.
53. Arthur Middleton
54. Button Gwinnett
55. Lyman Hall
56. George Walton
You know i'm right. You can't be hypocritical about this. Our nation was FOUNDED ON TREASON.
He was a traitor plane and simple. If he won then he would be a freedom fighter, but he lost. If MLK and Malcolm X took up arms in the 60's a killed over 300k white people in the Southern United States, would you consider them great men? NO you would not, you would consider them domestic terrorist. Don't start white washing u. S. history because you don't like the outcome.Ivytalk wrote:Another example of kkklean's substitution of gut reaction for thought. Lee didn't relish fighting against the Union. He loved the Commonwealth of Virginia, and stayed loyal to his home state. Nor was he a race-baiter. Read a bio of the great man, Kleenex, before you string him up.mrklean wrote:
You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangman
You are really ignorant.mrklean wrote:He was a traitor plane and simple. If he won then he would be a freedom fighter, but he lost. If MLK and Malcolm X took up arms in the 60's a killed over 300k white people in the Southern United States, would you consider them great men? NO you would not, you would consider them domestic terrorist. Don't start white washing u. S. history because you don't like the outcome.Ivytalk wrote:
Another example of kkklean's substitution of gut reaction for thought. Lee didn't relish fighting against the Union. He loved the Commonwealth of Virginia, and stayed loyal to his home state. Nor was he a race-baiter. Read a bio of the great man, Kleenex, before you string him up.
IMO, you can't lump Malcom and MLK together. MLK was a great man. Malcom was a little bitch.mrklean wrote:He was a traitor plane and simple. If he won then he would be a freedom fighter, but he lost. If MLK and Malcolm X took up arms in the 60's a killed over 300k white people in the Southern United States, would you consider them great men? NO you would not, you would consider them domestic terrorist. Don't start white washing u. S. history because you don't like the outcome.Ivytalk wrote:
Another example of kkklean's substitution of gut reaction for thought. Lee didn't relish fighting against the Union. He loved the Commonwealth of Virginia, and stayed loyal to his home state. Nor was he a race-baiter. Read a bio of the great man, Kleenex, before you string him up.
kalm wrote:Well at least some human rights came out of it. That was ok, wasn't it?JohnStOnge wrote:
A horrible day because an essential principle was lost. That principle is that the States are sovereign. "States' Rights" was indeed the true path laid out by the Constitution.
I've seen, on a number of occasions, that the outcome of the Civil War settled the issue of "States' Rights." And it did. But it did not settle the issue as a matter or principle. It settled the issue in the sense that "might makes right." The Federal Government succeeded in bringing some States into line by brute force. And much more was lost than gained in the process because it left us with an all powerful central government.
+100Ibanez wrote:IMO, you can't lump Malcom and MLK together. MLK was a great man. Malcom was a little bitch.mrklean wrote:
He was a traitor plane and simple. If he won then he would be a freedom fighter, but he lost. If MLK and Malcolm X took up arms in the 60's a killed over 300k white people in the Southern United States, would you consider them great men? NO you would not, you would consider them domestic terrorist. Don't start white washing u. S. history because you don't like the outcome.
The other difference is that Lee was fighting for a cause that, at its roots, was a cause to keep slavery in existence. Washington, of course, had slaves, but his cause wasn't as focused, if at all, on keeping slavery around as Lee's cause was. Remember, the Civil War probably never happens if we didn't have slavery.Ibanez wrote:mrklean wrote:
You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangman
Lee was a traitor, the same that the following men were:
1. John Hancock
2. Josiah Bartlett
3. William Whipple
4. Matthew Thornton
5. Samuel Adams
6. John Adams
7. Robert Treat Paine
8. Elbridge Gerry
9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
11. Roger Sherman
12. Samuel Huntington
13. William Williams
14. Oliver Wolcott
15. William Floyd
16. Philip Livingston
17. Francis Lewis
18. Lewis Morris
19. Richard Stockton
20. John Witherspoon
21. Francis Hopkinson
22. John Hart
23. Abraham Clark
24. Robert Morris
25. Benjamin Rush
26. Benjamin Franklin
27. John Morton
28. George Clymer
29. James Smith
30. George Taylor
31. James Wilson
32. George Ross
33. George Read
34. Caesar Rodney
35. Thomas McKean
36. Samuel Chase
37. William Paca
38. Thomas Stone
39. Charles Carroll of Carrollton
40. George Wythe
41. Richard Henry Lee
42. Thomas Jefferson
43. Benjamin Harrison
44. Thomas Nelson, Jr.
45. Francis Lightfoot Lee
46. Carter Braxton
47. William Hooper
48. Joseph Hewes
49. John Penn
50. Edward Rutledge
51. Thomas Heyward, Jr.
52. Thomas Lynch, Jr.
53. Arthur Middleton
54. Button Gwinnett
55. Lyman Hall
56. George Walton
You know i'm right. You can't be hypocritical about this. Our nation was FOUNDED ON TREASON.
I've been told that MLK was an adulterer and a plagiarist.Ibanez wrote:IMO, you can't lump Malcom and MLK together. MLK was a great man. Malcom was a little bitch.mrklean wrote:
He was a traitor plane and simple. If he won then he would be a freedom fighter, but he lost. If MLK and Malcolm X took up arms in the 60's a killed over 300k white people in the Southern United States, would you consider them great men? NO you would not, you would consider them domestic terrorist. Don't start white washing u. S. history because you don't like the outcome.
Of course you're right. Lee was just following in his old man's footsteps and those of his hero, GW.Ibanez wrote:mrklean wrote:
You have to give Lincoln credit. He said he said if anything happened to him before the war ended, did not want Lee of Jeff Davis to be killed. By all rights they could have been shot as traitors to the Union. I think those two should have gotten a date with the hangman
Lee was a traitor, the same that the following men were:
1. John Hancock
2. Josiah Bartlett
3. William Whipple
4. Matthew Thornton
5. Samuel Adams
6. John Adams
7. Robert Treat Paine
8. Elbridge Gerry
9. Stephen Hopkins
10. William Ellery
11. Roger Sherman
12. Samuel Huntington
13. William Williams
14. Oliver Wolcott
15. William Floyd
16. Philip Livingston
17. Francis Lewis
18. Lewis Morris
19. Richard Stockton
20. John Witherspoon
21. Francis Hopkinson
22. John Hart
23. Abraham Clark
24. Robert Morris
25. Benjamin Rush
26. Benjamin Franklin
27. John Morton
28. George Clymer
29. James Smith
30. George Taylor
31. James Wilson
32. George Ross
33. George Read
34. Caesar Rodney
35. Thomas McKean
36. Samuel Chase
37. William Paca
38. Thomas Stone
39. Charles Carroll of Carrollton
40. George Wythe
41. Richard Henry Lee
42. Thomas Jefferson
43. Benjamin Harrison
44. Thomas Nelson, Jr.
45. Francis Lightfoot Lee
46. Carter Braxton
47. William Hooper
48. Joseph Hewes
49. John Penn
50. Edward Rutledge
51. Thomas Heyward, Jr.
52. Thomas Lynch, Jr.
53. Arthur Middleton
54. Button Gwinnett
55. Lyman Hall
56. George Walton
You know i'm right. You can't be hypocritical about this. Our nation was FOUNDED ON TREASON.
And a commie sympathizer..Grizalltheway wrote:I've been told that MLK was an adulterer and a plagiarist.Ibanez wrote:IMO, you can't lump Malcom and MLK together. MLK was a great man. Malcom was a little bitch.