Ok now I see where you are coming from-kalm wrote:Yes, it's an option for both individuals and companies.CID1990 wrote:
Oh its an option is it?
Like paying your taxes is an option, right? You pay a penalty for not participating on April 15, too.
CID1990 wrote:Ok now I see where you are coming from-kalm wrote:
Yes, it's an option for both individuals and companies.
there are no laws or requirements - only options - choosing some options carry penalties, others do not
that actually explains a lot about progressives
maybe you should be teaching common core
Well, at least you quit trying to argue with a stop sign.kalm wrote:Holy crap Mr. Pot ...Baldy wrote: What the fuck? There is no such thing as "self insurance" for an individual. If you're referring to self-pay, my God, you don't remember this little thing called the individual mandate requirement in Obamacare?
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/ ... loyed.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I know you like to play games with semantics, but Jeezus...
Yes there are some interesting articles on the self insured. The really interesting thing is that those articles are about businesses with employees. Ted Cruz is an INDIVIDUAL, and INDIVIDUALS can NOT self insure.kalm wrote:CID1990 wrote:
Ok now I see where you are coming from-
there are no laws or requirements - only options - choosing some options carry penalties, others do not
that actually explains a lot about progressives
maybe you should be teaching common core
Have I argued there are no laws? I'll help you out with that one.
No.
You're welcome.
For further reading, I suggest you google "ACA" and "self insured". There are also some interesting articles on "self insured loophole".
Yes he can. He would simply have to pay a penalty.Baldy wrote:Yes there are some interesting articles on the self insured. The really interesting thing is that those articles are about businesses with employees. Ted Cruz is an INDIVIDUAL, and INDIVIDUALS can NOT self insure.kalm wrote:
Have I argued there are no laws? I'll help you out with that one.
No.
You're welcome.
For further reading, I suggest you google "ACA" and "self insured". There are also some interesting articles on "self insured loophole".
To save kalm any more embarrassment, let's....[/thread]
These arguments are meaningless, but they somehow fulfill you.CID1990 wrote:I love your meaningless semantic arguments in these threads. Youre like the liberal JSO
its like you cant help yourself
again, Cruz is obeying the law. He also wants to get rid of the IRS. Will you and your string pullers at Skate get the vapors on April 15 when he files his 1040?
Great, let's see a link.kalm wrote:Yes he can. He would simply have to pay a penalty.Baldy wrote: Yes there are some interesting articles on the self insured. The really interesting thing is that those articles are about businesses with employees. Ted Cruz is an INDIVIDUAL, and INDIVIDUALS can NOT self insure.
To save kalm any more embarrassment, let's....[/thread]
Jesus Christ...Baldy wrote:Great, let's see a link.kalm wrote:
Yes he can. He would simply have to pay a penalty.
Not one single word about individuals being able to "self-insure".kalm wrote:Jesus Christ...Baldy wrote: Great, let's see a link.
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-individual-mandate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Baldy wrote:Not one single word about individuals being able to "self-insure".kalm wrote:
Jesus Christ...
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-individual-mandate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Shocking!
You lose...again.
Again, we're talking about INDIVIDUALSkalm wrote:Baldy wrote: Not one single word about individuals being able to "self-insure".
Shocking!
You lose...again.
self-in·sur·ance
noun
insurance of oneself or one's interests by maintaining a fund to cover possible losses rather than by purchasing an insurance policy.
You are high.Baldy wrote:Again, we're talking about INDIVIDUALSkalm wrote:
self-in·sur·ance
noun
insurance of oneself or one's interests by maintaining a fund to cover possible losses rather than by purchasing an insurance policy.
Only businesses and corporations have the ability to self insure.
You're perfect now. 0'fer ever.
Agreed.kalm wrote:You are right.Baldy wrote: Again, we're talking about INDIVIDUALS
Only businesses and corporations have the ability to self insure.
You're perfect now. 0'fer ever.
Can he pay a penalty and self insure?Baldy wrote:Agreed.kalm wrote:
You are right.
No, but he can pay out-of-pocket and then pay the fine if he wishes. Then again he won't be abiding by the law, and people like you would be bleating about how he isn't following the law...unfit to run for president because he's a criminal, etc...kalm wrote:Can he pay a penalty and self insure?Baldy wrote: Agreed.
Baldy FTL...again.
He would only be a criminal if he didn't pay the fine.Baldy wrote:No, but he can pay out-of-pocket and then pay the fine if he wishes. Then again he won't be abiding by the law, and people like you would be bleating about how he isn't following the law...unfit to run for president because he's a criminal, etc...kalm wrote:
Can he pay a penalty and self insure?
Baldy FTL...again.
You're persistent, but you're still wrong.
Deflection noted.kalm wrote:He would only be a criminal if he didn't pay the fine.Baldy wrote: No, but he can pay out-of-pocket and then pay the fine if he wishes. Then again he won't be abiding by the law, and people like you would be bleating about how he isn't following the law...unfit to run for president because he's a criminal, etc...
You're persistent, but you're still wrong.
Apology accepted.
You ruined Baldy's victory dance!Skjellyfetti wrote:He doesn't have to be on Obamacare.
He can purchase insurance privately if he wants.
And, he's now considering doing just that. Y'all arguing that he has no choice are simply wrong.
Lubejob.kalm wrote:You ruined Baldy's victory dance!Skjellyfetti wrote:He doesn't have to be on Obamacare.
He can purchase insurance privately if he wants.
And, he's now considering doing just that. Y'all arguing that he has no choice are simply wrong.
He doesn't have a choice to:Baldy wrote:The law requires all individuals to either get coverage through their employer, on a government exchange, a "government approved" plan outside an exchange, or be fined for not complying with the law.
That's exactly what he's doing. And, it turns out it may just be the Obamacare exchange in DC - since he would get a FEDERAL SUBSIDY to do so.Baldy wrote:
He doesn't have a choice to:
1. Keep his doctor.
2. Pick the plan he and his family want.
3. Pay out-of-pocket without disobeying the law.
Oh and kalm, I checked again. Yeah, you're still wrong.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics ... report.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The first-term senator from Texas said he is looking at options available on a health insurance exchange, or a clearinghouse of policies available to Americans who don't receive coverage through their employers. The Democrats' health care law, also known as Obamacare, created the exchange system.
Under an amendment to the law crafted by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the government can only offer members of Congress and their staff health care insurance that's sold through an exchange.
"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care, and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz said in an interview with I.
Cruz could go without insurance, or his family could get its coverage directly from an insurance company at what would likely be a far higher rate than is available via an exchange. Doing so would mean Cruz would not get the contribution from his employer to help offset the full cost of his coverage.
Asked about his plans for health care insurance on Tuesday, Cruz's staff initial pointed reporters to his interview with the Register. Several hours later, Rick Tyler, a Cruz spokesman, said Cruz and his family had not yet settled on an option or the financial implications of such a choice.
1. No, he has to pick a "government approved" plan, period. He has no say so in the matter.Skjellyfetti wrote:That's exactly what he's doing. And, it turns out it may just be the Obamacare exchange in DC - since he would get a FEDERAL SUBSIDY to do so.Baldy wrote:
He doesn't have a choice to:
1. Keep his doctor.
2. Pick the plan he and his family want.
3. Pay out-of-pocket without disobeying the law.
Oh and kalm, I checked again. Yeah, you're still wrong.
He can sign up for a private policy outside of an exchange - but, it will be much more expensive for him.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics ... report.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The first-term senator from Texas said he is looking at options available on a health insurance exchange, or a clearinghouse of policies available to Americans who don't receive coverage through their employers. The Democrats' health care law, also known as Obamacare, created the exchange system.
Under an amendment to the law crafted by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the government can only offer members of Congress and their staff health care insurance that's sold through an exchange.
"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care, and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz said in an interview with I.
Cruz could go without insurance, or his family could get its coverage directly from an insurance company at what would likely be a far higher rate than is available via an exchange. Doing so would mean Cruz would not get the contribution from his employer to help offset the full cost of his coverage.
Asked about his plans for health care insurance on Tuesday, Cruz's staff initial pointed reporters to his interview with the Register. Several hours later, Rick Tyler, a Cruz spokesman, said Cruz and his family had not yet settled on an option or the financial implications of such a choice.
