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D1B wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:There are probably numerous homeless shelters that homeless people in San Francisco can go if they wish. The thing about some homeless people is that people offer to help them and instead of taking that help they'd rather go impose on others, piss and shit on things, panhandle, that sort of thing.

You know, there are tragic stories of unavoidable misfortune. But there are also stories of lazy assholes who bum around scamming people and fouling things.
Missing the point, again, St. Ursuse.

You ain't the church. You don't share the church's moral position on homelessness.

The church admitted they failed.
They didn't fail until they caved into pussies that want to pretend to coddle when it's not them doing the work and putting up with the annoyances...cuz that is easy to sit back and do. :dunce:
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You did a good job of calling JSO out for copying me though D, I'll give you that.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:You did a good job of calling JSO out for copying me though D, I'll give you that.
I understand your frustration with the street homeless. They are a royal pain in the ass. I too would not think twice bout inserting boot in ass if they shit on my porch.

But I ain't the church.

Did the church fail in the eyes of the mass ignoratti? Not really.

Did they fail themselves in the execution of their chosen method of honoring Jesus? Yes, very much.
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D1B wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:You did a good job of calling JSO out for copying me though D, I'll give you that.
I understand your frustration with the street homeless. They are a royal pain in the ass. I too would not think twice bout inserting boot in ass if they shit on my porch.

But I ain't the church.

Did the church fail in the eyes of the mass ignoratti? Not really.

Did they fail themselves in the execution of their chosen method of honoring Jesus? Yes, very much.
Alright. I just try to hold any group (I don't see the church as special at all) to a standard I would expect of myself so as not to be unfair in assessments and so forth. :thumb:
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
D1B wrote:
I understand your frustration with the street homeless. They are a royal pain in the ass. I too would not think twice bout inserting boot in ass if they shit on my porch.

But I ain't the church.

Did the church fail in the eyes of the mass ignoratti? Not really.

Did they fail themselves in the execution of their chosen method of honoring Jesus? Yes, very much.
Alright. I just try to hold any group (I don't see the church as special at all) to a standard I would expect of myself so as not to be unfair in assessments and so forth. :thumb:
If the church was truly up to your standards, they would have made a better call.
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D1B wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Alright. I just try to hold any group (I don't see the church as special at all) to a standard I would expect of myself so as not to be unfair in assessments and so forth. :thumb:
If the church was truly up to your standards, they would have made a better call.
In some other cases maybe, but not on that one brother. :D
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Update: The Archdiocese of San Francisco has issued the following statement:

The Archdiocese of San Francisco is, along with the Catholic St.Vincent de Paul Society, the largest supporter of services for the homeless in San Francisco. Every year, it helps many thousands of people through food, housing, shelter programs for people at risk includinghomeless mothers and families, and in countless other ways.

St. Mary's Cathedral is a huge partof that program, and does more than any other Catholic church. The Cathedral itself serves hundreds of homeless people giving them food and shelter, as an integral part of the San Francisco Interfaith Council's efforts in that regard, for example, opening its doors for shelter and food for fiveweeks over the holidays.

This sprinkler system in alcoves near our back doorways was installed approximately two years ago, after learning from city resources that this kind of system was being commonly used in the Financial District, asa safety, security and cleanliness measure to avoid the situation where needles, feces and other dangerous items were regularly beingleft in these hidden doorways. The problem was particularly dangerous because students and elderly people regularly pass these locations on their way toschool and mass every day.

When the system was installed, after other ideas were tried and failed, the people who were regularly sleeping in those doorways were informed in advance that the sprinklers were being installed. The idea was not to remove those persons, but to encourage them to relocate to other areas of the Cathedral, which are protected and safer. The purpose was to make the Cathedral grounds as well as the homeless people who happen to be on those grounds safer.

We are sorry that our intentions have been misunderstood and recognize that the method used was ill-conceived. It actually has had the opposite effect from what it was intended to do, and for this we are very sorry. We have also now learned that the system in the first place required a permit and may violate San Francisco water-use laws, and the work to remove this system has already started, and will be completed by the end of the day.
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89Hen wrote:
Update: The Archdiocese of San Francisco has issued the following statement:

The Archdiocese of San Francisco is, along with the Catholic St.Vincent de Paul Society, the largest supporter of services for the homeless in San Francisco. Every year, it helps many thousands of people through food, housing, shelter programs for people at risk includinghomeless mothers and families, and in countless other ways.

St. Mary's Cathedral is a huge partof that program, and does more than any other Catholic church. The Cathedral itself serves hundreds of homeless people giving them food and shelter, as an integral part of the San Francisco Interfaith Council's efforts in that regard, for example, opening its doors for shelter and food for fiveweeks over the holidays.

This sprinkler system in alcoves near our back doorways was installed approximately two years ago, after learning from city resources that this kind of system was being commonly used in the Financial District, asa safety, security and cleanliness measure to avoid the situation where needles, feces and other dangerous items were regularly beingleft in these hidden doorways. The problem was particularly dangerous because students and elderly people regularly pass these locations on their way toschool and mass every day.

When the system was installed, after other ideas were tried and failed, the people who were regularly sleeping in those doorways were informed in advance that the sprinklers were being installed. The idea was not to remove those persons, but to encourage them to relocate to other areas of the Cathedral, which are protected and safer. The purpose was to make the Cathedral grounds as well as the homeless people who happen to be on those grounds safer.

We are sorry that our intentions have been misunderstood and recognize that the method used was ill-conceived. It actually has had the opposite effect from what it was intended to do, and for this we are very sorry. We have also now learned that the system in the first place required a permit and may violate San Francisco water-use laws, and the work to remove this system has already started, and will be completed by the end of the day.

I'll sum this ^ up for the rest of you:
Global Church Business is good - Don't let this speed bump PR disaster fool you - We help a lot of people - that's how we keep our multi-billion dollar tax free status while simultaneously having a political position

It's all going to work out fine in the end

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PR disaster. :lol:

No one outside this FCS forum and that POS blog's readership even knows about this issue.
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True, something like this is barely a blip on the radar when your organization is best known as a breeding grown for pedophiles who you'll go to the ends of the earth to protect.

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Chizzang wrote:tax free status while simultaneously having a political position
Yup, but a 501C3 has many restrictions inposed on them. Unlike 501C4's that legally can participate in elections.

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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:tax free status while simultaneously having a political position
Yup, but a 501C3 has many restrictions inposed on them. Unlike 501C4's that legally can participate in elections.

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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Yup, but a 501C3 has many restrictions inposed on them. Unlike 501C4's that legally can participate in elections.

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:rofl:

Your arch nemesis....
Not really. Just pointing out that you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash.
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

:rofl:

Your arch nemesis....
Not really. Just pointing out that you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash.

I don't..?
I disagree with any tax exempt organization - pretty much period
If you're making money you should be taxed (period)

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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not really. Just pointing out that you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash.

I don't..?
I disagree with any tax exempt organization - pretty much period
If you're making money you should be taxed (period)

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So why haven't you turned in your cleaning lady or furniture-building friend yet? :coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not really. Just pointing out that you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash.

I don't..?
No, you don't.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

I don't..?
I disagree with any tax exempt organization - pretty much period
If you're making money you should be taxed (period)

The End
So why haven't you turned in your cleaning lady or furniture-building friend yet? :coffee:

I have no idea how she files her taxes
It would be inappropriate to just assume she's not paying her taxes

:mrgreen:

and I'm not a police officer - I don't "turn people in"
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

I don't..?
No, you don't.
So you're going to point out a thread (any minute now) where I defend a tax free organization right..?
You're a bit of a "lie to make my point" kind of guy (what would Jesus think of that?)

Since you know, he's obsessed with everything we do)
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andy7171 wrote:PR disaster. :lol:

No one outside this FCS forum and that POS blog's readership even knows about this issue.
:dunce: Andy, catholocism and how the church operates is not your strong suit. Move along.
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: No, you don't.
So you're going to point out a thread (any minute now) where I defend a tax free organization right..?
You're a bit of a "lie to make my point" kind of guy (what would Jesus think of that?)

Since you know, he's obsessed with everything we do)
Hen, Joe, Andy - all big liars when it comes to defending their cult. :nod:
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Chizzang wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
So why haven't you turned in your cleaning lady or furniture-building friend yet? :coffee:

I have no idea how she files her taxes
It would be inappropriate to just assume she's not paying her taxes

:mrgreen:

and I'm not a police officer - I don't "turn people in"
You are more black than most white guys............
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: No, you don't.
So you're going to point out a thread (any minute now) where I defend a tax free organization right..?
You're a bit of a "lie to make my point" kind of guy (what would Jesus think of that?)

Since you know, he's obsessed with everything we do)
Read what I said Cleets... "you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash". I've never once seen you complain about PP or any other group. Only churches.
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
So you're going to point out a thread (any minute now) where I defend a tax free organization right..?
You're a bit of a "lie to make my point" kind of guy (what would Jesus think of that?)

Since you know, he's obsessed with everything we do)
Read what I said Cleets... "you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash". I've never once seen you complain about PP or any other group. Only churches.
Comparitively PP has no political power whatsoever.

You're a fucking idiot.
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not really. Just pointing out that you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash.

I don't..?
I disagree with any tax exempt organization - pretty much period
If you're making money you should be taxed (period)

The End
ooh you sound almost like you could be a flat taxer too!


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D1B wrote:
89Hen wrote: Read what I said Cleets... "you don't seem to complain about other tax free organizations that have a longer political leash". I've never once seen you complain about PP or any other group. Only churches.
Comparitively PP has no political power whatsoever.

You're a fucking idiot.
Aw, that really hurts coming from you. :(
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