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[93henfan]

Liberty is a college in the same way Scientology is a Religion...

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Scientology is far more honest actually:

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." -L. Ron Hubbard

[JohnStOnge]

BTW he proposed eliminating the IRS during the speech. That alone ought to make you a fervent supporter.

[Skjellyfetti]

I wonder what the birthers think of him being born in Canada?

[JohnStOnge]

I wonder what the birthers think of him being born in Canada?

I wondered about that the other day so I looked up the Constitutional requirement. It's not that you have to be born in the United States. It's that you have to be a natural born citizen. I'm pretty sure that if you're born to two citizens of the United States you're going to be a natural born citizen regardless of the location.

I think what happened with Cruz is that his mother and father were both citizens of the United States at the time of his birth and they were working in Canada for an oil company.

Something also tells me that Cruz knows he is eligible or he wouldn't be running. I heard once again yesterday on MSNBC that the perception of him is that he's extremely smart. It was a couple of guests on an MSNBC show and they were saying that people at Harvard Law say "He is one of the smartest lawyers ever to go through Harvard Law." And these people were definitely not fans of his.

[SuperHornet]

Wait a minute...polson's blaming Cruz for something that has happened every week at Liberty since they were founded in '72...and happens on many other college campuses nationwide?

That's a stretch....

You're an loon as usual. I have no idea what the fuck kind of college you wasted your day at, but I was never "forced" to attend anything. Even more so something totally unrelated to the college.

Liberty is a private school. Private schools, particularly those of the religious persuasion, do that.

[Ibanez]

Wait a minute...polson's blaming Cruz for something that has happened every week at Liberty since they were founded in '72...and happens on many other college campuses nationwide?

That's a stretch....

I call bullshit. I doubt "many" colleges require attendance and fine students who don't show up.

[Ibanez]

You're an loon as usual. I have no idea what the fuck kind of college you wasted your day at, but I was never "forced" to attend anything. Even more so something totally unrelated to the college.

Liberty is a private school. Private schools, particularly those of the religious persuasion, do that.

That isn't what you said.

[SuperHornet]

That was for you to infer, Mark. You guys make me do that all the time on the other boards. "Well, we meant MEN's hoops."

[Skjellyfetti]

I wonder what the birthers think of him being born in Canada?

I wondered about that the other day so I looked up the Constitutional requirement. It's not that you have to be born in the United States. It's that you have to be a natural born citizen. I'm pretty sure that if you're born to two citizens of the United States you're going to be a natural born citizen regardless of the location.

I think what happened with Cruz is that his mother and father were both citizens of the United States at the time of his birth and they were working in Canada for an oil company.

Something also tells me that Cruz knows he is eligible or he wouldn't be running. I heard once again yesterday on MSNBC that the perception of him is that he's extremely smart. It was a couple of guests on an MSNBC show and they were saying that people at Harvard Law say "He is one of the smartest lawyers ever to go through Harvard Law." And these people were definitely not fans of his.

His father became a US citizen in 2005. His father was not a US citizen when Ted Cruz was born.

Rafael Cruz, now a pastor in suburban Dallas, fled Cuba for Texas as a teen in 1957. He remained a Cuban citizen until he became a naturalized American in 2005.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics ... s-u.s..ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama's mother was a US citizen but his father wasn't.

Birthers claimed that Obama was born in Kenya, and if he was - he would be ineligible to be president. He wasn't born in Kenya, but if he was he would have been born to a US citizen in Kenya.

Almost the same circumstances as Ted Cruz - except we KNOW Cruz was born in Canada.




I'm not saying Cruz is ineligible because "natural born citizen" is a legal gray area and no way in hell would SCOTUS deny a candidate unless he was clearly not...

... but the backpedaling and half-witted explanations (like your attempt above) are hilarious.

[CID1990]

JSO's line of reasoning isnt completely off, but I already said that both Cruz and Obama were natural born citizens.

Both parents do not have to be citizens. However, it is much easier for the mother to transmit her citizenship than it is for the father, and this has to do with residency requirements being more stringent for the USC father. It also depends on when you were born because there are three revisions to the law since the 1940s, and when you were born determines the section of law applied.

In both cases it does not matter, anyway. They were both born to USC mothers who met the habitation requiements, so being born overseas is immaterial.

[Chizzang]

JSO's line of reasoning isnt completely off, but I already said that both Cruz and Obama were natural born citizens.

Both parents do not have to be citizens. However, it is much easier for the mother to transmit her citizenship than it is for the father, and this has to do with residency requirements being more stringent for the USC father. It also depends on when you were born because there are three revisions to the law since the 1940s, and when you were born determines the section of law applied.

In both cases it does not matter, anyway. They were both born to USC mothers who met the habitation requiements, so being born overseas is immaterial.

And ^ ones a Republican so its okay...
Kinda like draft dodging for Republicans is okay
Because they obviously love America more



And Democrats love women and black people (everybody knows that)
Make sure you have your Meme's right

[CID1990]

JSO's line of reasoning isnt completely off, but I already said that both Cruz and Obama were natural born citizens.

Both parents do not have to be citizens. However, it is much easier for the mother to transmit her citizenship than it is for the father, and this has to do with residency requirements being more stringent for the USC father. It also depends on when you were born because there are three revisions to the law since the 1940s, and when you were born determines the section of law applied.

In both cases it does not matter, anyway. They were both born to USC mothers who met the habitation requiements, so being born overseas is immaterial.

And ^ ones a Republican so its okay...
Kinda like draft dodging for Republicans is okay
Because they obviously love America more



And Democrats love women and black people (everybody knows that)
Make sure you have your Meme's right

All you mean is that there are ignorant turds in both sides.

One of my brothers dumb liberal friends was on Facebook today ranting about Cruz's birth in Canada. I posted the section of law that proved him wrong but he just brushed it off and maintained that what the law says is natural born isn't actually natural born. I don't know why I bother sometimes

[JohnStOnge]

.. but the backpedaling and half-witted explanations (like your attempt above) are hilarious.

I don't know what you saw in my post that would be considered "backpedaling." The main point is that the test is "natural born citizen" and not "born in the United States" and that Cruz, as a person who graduated from Harvard Law and by all accounts I have heard was regarded as brilliant while he was there knows whether he qualifies as a "natural born citizen" or not.

[JohnStOnge]

Also, if you watched the thing you know it was obvious that the overwhelming majority of people there supported him. That's not to say that they would ultimately choose him to be the Republican nominee. But they obviously favored his point of view. Would some of them not have been there if it hadn't been a regular meeting they are "required" to attend? Sure. But they also would've been there if he wasn't there. I don't see the big deal about that. They were at a meeting that they were "required" to attend and, being there, they clearly supported his outlooks.

And there was a huge cheer when he said he was running.

We will can never know, but I suspect the overwhelming majority of them would've been there even if they hadn't been "required" to attend.

[houndawg]

This. Cruz is not a serious man, in the sense of gravitas. He has no shot. Ted is so innately goofy that he can't help himself, Ivy League pedigree or not. I've said it before, but that "Green Eggs and Ham" filibuster alone is enough to do him in.

Are you kidding me? That ALONE locked in the looney 15% far right vote...

He'll do fine in the primaries.

[houndawg]

I wonder what the birthers think of him being born in Canada?

I wondered about that the other day so I looked up the Constitutional requirement. It's not that you have to be born in the United States. It's that you have to be a natural born citizen. I'm pretty sure that if you're born to two citizens of the United States you're going to be a natural born citizen regardless of the location.

I think what happened with Cruz is that his mother and father were both citizens of the United States at the time of his birth and they were working in Canada for an oil company.

Something also tells me that Cruz knows he is eligible or he wouldn't be running. I heard once again yesterday on MSNBC that the perception of him is that he's extremely smart. It was a couple of guests on an MSNBC show and they were saying that people at Harvard Law say "He is one of the smartest lawyers ever to go through Harvard Law." And these people were definitely not fans of his.

You keep missing the point, probably on purpose. Jelly wonders what the birthers think of him being born in Canada, John, not what some halfwit in the msm or what some alleged "people at Harvard Law" think about his intelligence. Jelly realizes that Obama and Cruz are both citizens because of near-identical circumstances and wonders if the birthers really care about citizenship of a candidate born in Obamas circumstances if he's white and conservative. See?

You should start a different thread if you want to discuss a different subject. You really should.

[JohnStOnge]

you should start a different thread if you want to discuss a different subject. You really should.

Is bringing up the issue of what "birthers" think about Cruz not bringing up a different subject? The thread, as started, was about students being forced to attend an event. I am not the one that changed the subject with respect to this particular line of discussion.

[polsongrizz]

I wondered about that the other day so I looked up the Constitutional requirement. It's not that you have to be born in the United States. It's that you have to be a natural born citizen. I'm pretty sure that if you're born to two citizens of the United States you're going to be a natural born citizen regardless of the location.

I think what happened with Cruz is that his mother and father were both citizens of the United States at the time of his birth and they were working in Canada for an oil company.

Something also tells me that Cruz knows he is eligible or he wouldn't be running. I heard once again yesterday on MSNBC that the perception of him is that he's extremely smart. It was a couple of guests on an MSNBC show and they were saying that people at Harvard Law say "He is one of the smartest lawyers ever to go through Harvard Law." And these people were definitely not fans of his.

You keep missing the point, probably on purpose. Jelly wonders what the birthers think of him being born in Canada, John, not what some halfwit in the msm or what some alleged "people at Harvard Law" think about his intelligence. Jelly realizes that Obama and Cruz are both citizens because of near-identical circumstances and wonders if the birthers really care about citizenship of a candidate born in Obamas circumstances if he's white and conservative. See?

You should start a different thread if you want to discuss a different subject. You really should.

This^^^^^^^^^Why is this so hard to understand?

[JohnStOnge]

not what some halfwit in the msm or what some alleged "people at Harvard Law" think about his intelligence

The idea is that it's pretty reasonable to believe that, given his reported intelligence and education, he would not be running if he did not know he is eligible. And the thing about his intelligence is, as far as I can tell, not in dispute. Here is a quote from an article about the perceptions of those who knew him at Harvard Law:

But he was also universally respected for his intellect, described by friend and foe alike as brilliant but with a hard edge.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politic ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's from November, 2013, before the current discussion of his intellect came up. And of course we have the famous Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz quote “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant.”

Chances are he's smart enough to know if he's eligible for the office or not.

[JohnStOnge]

Cruz is not a serious man, in the sense of gravitas. He has no shot. Ted is so innately goofy that he can't help himself, Ivy League pedigree or not.

I wouldn't put it in quite that way. But I've said before that he does not have what it takes in terms of being telegenic, having the right voice, etc., for today's politics. If he looked and sounded like George Clooney he could say the same things and do very well. But he doesn't. He looks kind of creepy and sounds kind of whiney.

However, what he did at Liberty is something that most politicians of today could not do as smoothly as he did. He stood there and delivered his speech without any notes and no teleprompter. Won't do him any good because you don't get any points for not using notes or teleprompters. But to me it does say something.

[JohnStOnge]

You know the issue I just mentioned reminds me of the certified financial planner TV commercial. In a sense it is analogous to what our national politics have become. To a substantial extent it's not about whether someone is really qualified or not or what their ideas are. It's about image and impression in the media age.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afufjv_6-t4[/youtube]

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[houndawg]

.. but the backpedaling and half-witted explanations (like your attempt above) are hilarious.

I don't know what you saw in my post that would be considered "backpedaling." The main point is that the test is "natural born citizen" and not "born in the United States" and that Cruz, as a person who graduated from Harvard Law and by all accounts I have heard was regarded as brilliant while he was there knows whether he qualifies as a "natural born citizen" or not.

I think the emphasis was more on the "half-witted". Obama is 10 times smarter than Cruz, even in his sleep. He really is. Even half-wits know that.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know what you saw in my post that would be considered "backpedaling." The main point is that the test is "natural born citizen" and not "born in the United States" and that Cruz, as a person who graduated from Harvard Law and by all accounts I have heard was regarded as brilliant while he was there knows whether he qualifies as a "natural born citizen" or not.

I think the emphasis was more on the "half-witted". Obama is 10 times smarter than Cruz, even in his sleep. He really is. Even half-wits know that.

Ah, the old "our dimwit is smarter than your dimwit" argument....

[houndawg]

Cruz is not a serious man, in the sense of gravitas. He has no shot. Ted is so innately goofy that he can't help himself, Ivy League pedigree or not.

I wouldn't put it in quite that way. But I've said before that he does not have what it takes in terms of being telegenic, having the right voice, etc., for today's politics. If he looked and sounded like George Clooney he could say the same things and do very well. But he doesn't. He looks kind of creepy and sounds kind of whiney.

However, what he did at Liberty is something that most politicians of today could not do as smoothly as he did. He stood there and delivered his speech without any notes and no teleprompter. Won't do him any good because you don't get any points for not using notes or teleprompters. But to me it does say something.

Bullshit. He needs a teleprompter to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

But its worth it to hear JSO quoting Alan Dershowitz for support.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the emphasis was more on the "half-witted". Obama is 10 times smarter than Cruz,

I don't think there's any way to know for sure. But I do know I've yet to read about any Harvard law professors saying Obama is "off the charts brilliant" or anything like that. I suspect that if you were to IQ test the wo Cruz would win by a substantial margin. For sure if I were to have to bet on which of the two would score higher I'd bet on Cruz and there would be no hesitation at all.