Black UVA student beaten bloody:

[93henfan]

So: he IS underage....he didn't know his zip code...he mouthed off to the bouncer....and the video shows him to be a first class citizen.

Yeah, kleanex, you really hit this one out of the park.

Three more months, hell he's 21 in my book. He would have gotten in a lot of clubs/Bars in Atlanta. answer my first question, what did he do to deserve an azz beating like this?

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?????????????????????????

I'll take Resisting Arrest for $200, Alex!

[mrklean]

Three more months, hell he's 21 in my book. He would have gotten in a lot of clubs/Bars in Atlanta. answer my first question, what did he do to deserve an azz beating like this?

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?????????????????????????

I'll take Resisting Arrest for $200, Alex!

There were two cops and this guy does not weight 160lbs wet. So again, what did he do to get an azz beating like he got?

[CID1990]

I'll take Resisting Arrest for $200, Alex!

There were two cops and this guy does not weight 160lbs wet. So again, what did he do to get an azz beating like he got?

If you have to ask that question, AND you claim to be former law enforcement.... it makes you either a liar or an idiot

the guy hit his head on the takedown. He was most like likely taken down because he wouldnt comply with verbal orders to put his hands behind his back

when everything finally comes out, it is probable that he wasnt even going to jail- he was only going to get a ticket- until he decided to become belligerent

[mrklean]

There were two cops and this guy does not weight 160lbs wet. So again, what did he do to get an azz beating like he got?

If you have to ask that question, AND you claim to be former law enforcement.... it makes you either a liar or an idiot

the guy hit his head on the takedown. He was most like likely taken down because he wouldnt comply with verbal orders to put his hands behind his back

when everything finally comes out, it is probable that he wasnt even going to jail- he was only going to get a ticket- until he decided to become belligerent

If you are in Law Enforcement you would know about the use of force policy. every police department knows this. You use the right amount of force to control the situation. Now from what the owner of the bar stated, he said the young man did not become violent nor was he seen swinging at the police. Why was it necessary to slam this man's face into the ground, if he was not violent? Just a question?

[houndawg]

If you have to ask that question, AND you claim to be former law enforcement.... it makes you either a liar or an idiot

the guy hit his head on the takedown. He was most like likely taken down because he wouldnt comply with verbal orders to put his hands behind his back

when everything finally comes out, it is probable that he wasnt even going to jail- he was only going to get a ticket- until he decided to become belligerent

If you are in Law Enforcement you would know about the use of force policy. every police department knows this. You use the right amount of force to control the situation. Now from what the owner of the bar stated, he said the young man did not become violent nor was he seen swinging at the police. Why was it necessary to slam this man's face into the ground, if he was not violent? Just a question?

He got mouthy and he got tuned up. I don't have a very bad feeling about this because I strongly suspect that a white kid in the same position would have received the same treatment. And the blood was scalp wounds; used to get them all the time playing rugby. They make a great photo but there really isn't much damage.

[CID1990]

If you have to ask that question, AND you claim to be former law enforcement.... it makes you either a liar or an idiot

the guy hit his head on the takedown. He was most like likely taken down because he wouldnt comply with verbal orders to put his hands behind his back

when everything finally comes out, it is probable that he wasnt even going to jail- he was only going to get a ticket- until he decided to become belligerent

If you are in Law Enforcement you would know about the use of force policy. every police department knows this. You use the right amount of force to control the situation. Now from what the owner of the bar stated, he said the young man did not become violent nor was he seen swinging at the police. Why was it necessary to slam this man's face into the ground, if he was not violent? Just a question?

Yep- and every department's use of force policy allows for soft open hand control in an arrest situation with a noncompliant subject. They dont have to be "swinging"

keep on asking and showing your ignorance

[clenz]

If you are in Law Enforcement you would know about the use of force policy. every police department knows this. You use the right amount of force to control the situation. Now from what the owner of the bar stated, he said the young man did not become violent nor was he seen swinging at the police. Why was it necessary to slam this man's face into the ground, if he was not violent? Just a question?

He got mouthy and he got tuned up. I don't have a very bad feeling about this because I strongly suspect that a white kid in the same position would have received the same treatment. And the blood was scalp wounds; used to get them all the time playing rugby. They make a great photo but there really isn't much damage.

I watched this same treatment happen time and time and time and time again on white kids at UNI, be it at a bar or house party

[CID1990]

strongly suspect that a white kid in the same position would have received the same treatment.

I have stacks of mugshots of white dudes who obviously "fought the law and the law won"

[Chizzang]

Hmmmm....

[93henfan]

Hmmmm....

Man, that's rough when you trip face first into a hood,

[mrklean]

If you are in Law Enforcement you would know about the use of force policy. every police department knows this. You use the right amount of force to control the situation. Now from what the owner of the bar stated, he said the young man did not become violent nor was he seen swinging at the police. Why was it necessary to slam this man's face into the ground, if he was not violent? Just a question?

Yep- and every department's use of force policy allows for soft open hand control in an arrest situation with a noncompliant subject. They dont have to be "swinging"

keep on asking and showing your ignorance

I can't believe you just said this bullshit . and you still try excuse this behavior. I know the use of force policy inside and out. Better than you. It states the minimum amount of force used to control the situation. The word minimum.

[mrklean]

strongly suspect that a white kid in the same position would have received the same treatment.

I have stacks of mugshots of white dudes who obviously "fought the law and the law won"

I could care less if this kid was white or black. The fact is the police training in our country is broken. I have a problem when you train the police force like an army.

[Ibanez]

Yep- and every department's use of force policy allows for soft open hand control in an arrest situation with a noncompliant subject. They dont have to be "swinging"

keep on asking and showing your ignorance

I can't believe you just said this bullshit . and you still try excuse this behavior. I know the use of force policy inside and out. Better than you. It states the minimum amount of force used to control the situation. The word minimum.

Cid knows it and he knows sometimes the minimum isn't enough.

[Chizzang]

Being a police officer is a sh!tty job...
and as it gets sh!ttier and sh!ttier those that are attracted to it will get worse and worse

See:
President of the United States
as an example of the continued decline of qualified talented pool

My point is, in a decade the only folks interested in being cops in the bigger cities and rougher territories
will be criminals themselves and those predisposed for violence
and then we'll have absolutely just what we asked for

[93henfan]

Being a police officer is a sh!tty job...
and as it gets sh!ttier and sh!ttier those that are attracted to it will get worse and worse

See:
President of the United States
as an example of the continued decline of qualified talented pool

My point is, in a decade the only folks interested in being cops in the bigger cities and rougher territories
will be criminals themselves and those predisposed for violence
and then we'll have absolutely just what we asked for

Well, if we can make law enforcement 100% kneegrow at least we won't have kneegrows complaining that cops are racist anymore.

[AZGrizFan]

He got mouthy and he got tuned up. I don't have a very bad feeling about this because I strongly suspect that a white kid in the same position would have received the same treatment. And the blood was scalp wounds; used to get them all the time playing rugby. They make a great photo but there really isn't much damage.

I watched this same treatment happen time and time and time and time again on white kids at UNI, be it at a bar or house party

White kids. And that's why they're not in the news.

[kalm]

I can't believe you just said this bullshit . and you still try excuse this behavior. I know the use of force policy inside and out. Better than you. It states the minimum amount of force used to control the situation. The word minimum.

Cid knows it and he knows sometimes the minimum isn't enough.

Yep. But sometimes too much force is used right?

Just checking.

[kalm]

I watched this same treatment happen time and time and time and time again on white kids at UNI, be it at a bar or house party

White kids. And that's why they're not in the news.

White kids had it coming.

[DSUrocks07]

Being a police officer is a sh!tty job...
and as it gets sh!ttier and sh!ttier those that are attracted to it will get worse and worse

See:
President of the United States
as an example of the continued decline of qualified talented pool

My point is, in a decade the only folks interested in being cops in the bigger cities and rougher territories
will be criminals themselves and those predisposed for violence
and then we'll have absolutely just what we asked for

Well, if we can make law enforcement 100% kneegrow at least we won't have kneegrows complaining that cops are racist anymore.

Gawddamn Uncle Toms

[clenz]

I have stacks of mugshots of white dudes who obviously "fought the law and the law won"

I could care less if this kid was white or black. The fact is the police training in our country is broken. I have a problem when you train the police force like an army.

If that's truly the case, why aren't you ever to in arms when this happens to a white guy?

[Ibanez]

Cid knows it and he knows sometimes the minimum isn't enough.

Yep. But sometimes too much force is used right?

Just checking.

Correct.

[houndawg]

Hmmmm....

He's lucky to be alive.

[CID1990]

Yep- and every department's use of force policy allows for soft open hand control in an arrest situation with a noncompliant subject. They dont have to be "swinging"

keep on asking and showing your ignorance

I can't believe you just said this bullshit . and you still try excuse this behavior. I know the use of force policy inside and out. Better than you. It states the minimum amount of force used to control the situation. The word minimum.

You are an idiot and Im done with you.

You have no clue what happened there and neither do I- but if someone is noncompliant then open hand control is appropriate. You know what that is, right?

You apparently dont know dick about use of force policies and quite frankly with what you have between your ears it is probably best you are no longer in LE, if you ever were.

[AZGrizFan]

I could care less if this kid was white or black. The fact is the police training in our country is broken. I have a problem when you train the police force like an army.

If that's truly the case, why aren't you ever to in arms when this happens to a white guy?

He must do that under his KKK handle.

[CID1990]

Cid knows it and he knows sometimes the minimum isn't enough.

Yep. But sometimes too much force is used right?

Just checking.

Of course sometimes the force used is excessive.

However in this case we are only sure that this kid was taken to the ground during an arrest, and at some point during the fracas he was either struck on the head (less likely given witnesses) or he hit his head during the struggle.

What we don't know is exactly how he was taken down, that is really all that matters in this case. This arrest happens thousands of times across the country on Friday nights in college towns. And about a quarter of those times, the police have to restrain the subject to get the cuffs on him. When that happens, it is difficult to be polite and it is difficult to avoid cuts, abrasions and bruises.

Since I wasn't there, I can only go with knowledge of how often guys get a little too exuberant making an arrest. Given the large number of witnesses in this case, I'd say the chances of the force being excessive were just about nil.

Unless one of these myriad witnesses comes up with a video showing the officers trying to slam the guy a la Clitz's video, this is going to be a nothingburger, as it should be.