The problem with "under God"

[kalm]

Would you have a problem with this at your kid's school?

What a bunch of dopes.

Students at Pine Bush High School in Pine Bush, New York, knew right away there was something not quite right about the Pledge of Allegiance. That’s because the pledge was being recited in Arabic.

“One nation under Allah,” the student body president announced over the intercom system on Wednesday.

Reaction in the upstate New York high school was swift, and so was the backlash, The Times Herald-Record reports. Furious students tried to shout down the recitation in their classrooms. Other students sat down in protest.

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[93henfan]

Of course I would have a problem with it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. Schools get less effective in this country every day and more accommodating to everything but excellence. So this just fits right in.

We're more concerned that Loquitious doesn't get left behind and that Ahmed feels included that we really don't care about Dick and Jane anymore.

[travelinman67]

Responsible:
Student Senate President/Provocateur Andrew Zink

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http://michellezink.com/andrew-zink-is-my-son
http://michellezink.com/category/life

[kalm]

Responsible:
Student Senate President/Provocateur Andrew Zink

New York...check
Hudson Valley...check
Single parent...check
Unrepentant for action...check
Under 18 but has already volunteered for Dem party...check
Mom is atheist Dem...check
Mom is self-help author...check
Mom writes about yoga/meditation...check
Mom seems enthusiastic about publicity...check
Mom is vegetarian...check
Mom is unrepentant about son's action...check
Mom nor son are either Christian or Muslim...check
Mom is feminist...check

http://michellezink.com/andrew-zink-is-my-son
http://michellezink.com/category/life

And the problem exactly is what?

[travelinman67]

Responsible:
Student Senate President/Provocateur Andrew Zink

New York...check
Hudson Valley...check
Single parent...check
Unrepentant for action...check
Under 18 but has already volunteered for Dem party...check
Mom is atheist Dem...check
Mom is self-help author...check
Mom writes about yoga/meditation...check
Mom seems enthusiastic about publicity...check
Mom is vegetarian...check
Mom is unrepentant about son's action...check
Mom nor son are either Christian or Muslim...check
Mom is feminist...check

http://michellezink.com/andrew-zink-is-my-son
http://michellezink.com/category/life

And the problem exactly is what?

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CS.Com 2015 Resident Dem Operative Kalm

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[Vidav]

Why is there a problem? We are not a Christian nation, bitches.

[Ibanez]

Why is there a problem? We are not a Christian nation, bitches.

no we aren't. And the vegetarian thing is just nonsense.

[houndawg]

Of course I would have a problem with it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. Schools get less effective in this country every day and more accommodating to everything but excellence. So this just fits right in.

We're more concerned that Loquitious doesn't get left behind and that Ahmed feels included that we really don't care about Dick and Jane anymore.

Now you're just being bitter because high school wasn't a happy time for you.

The original Pledge didn't have the words "under god" in it at all, but like you said, schools were more effective back then.

[andy7171]

If you don't like how the schools are being run. There are other places to send them so STFU.

[93henfan]

Of course I would have a problem with it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. Schools get less effective in this country every day and more accommodating to everything but excellence. So this just fits right in.

We're more concerned that Loquitious doesn't get left behind and that Ahmed feels included that we really don't care about Dick and Jane anymore.

Now you're just being bitter because high school wasn't a happy time for you.

The original Pledge didn't have the words "under god" in it at all, but like you said, schools were more effective back then.

I don't give a flying fuck about the Pledge of Allegiance or whether or not it has the words "under God" spoken in it. To me, it always felt like a forced Nazi Youth moment each day in elementary school, and I'm not a religious nut anyway.

My concern is more that we are wasting time trying to make sure every little group gets its collective gonads massaged instead of focusing on developing the best and brighest, which we clearly gave up on over the past few decades.

And I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about with my high school. Weak tactic. I would say you could do better, but I've never seen you do better so I don't feel safe making that proclamation.

[houndawg]

Now you're just being bitter because high school wasn't a happy time for you.

The original Pledge didn't have the words "under god" in it at all, but like you said, schools were more effective back then.

I don't give a flying **** about the Pledge of Allegiance or whether or not it has the words "under God" spoken in it. To me, it always felt like a forced Nazi Youth moment each day in elementary school, and I'm not a religious nut anyway.

My concern is more that we are wasting time trying to make sure every little group gets its collective gonads massaged instead of focusing on developing the best and brighest, which we clearly gave up on over the past few decades.

And I have no idea what the **** you're talking about with my high school. Weak tactic. I would say you could do better, but I've never seen you do better so I don't feel safe making that proclamation.

Its Foreign Language Week at the school, dimwit, so they recited the pledge in different languages. Your panties are in a twist over nothing. You got trolled by a high school kids, Poindexter.

[93henfan]

I don't give a flying **** about the Pledge of Allegiance or whether or not it has the words "under God" spoken in it. To me, it always felt like a forced Nazi Youth moment each day in elementary school, and I'm not a religious nut anyway.

My concern is more that we are wasting time trying to make sure every little group gets its collective gonads massaged instead of focusing on developing the best and brighest, which we clearly gave up on over the past few decades.

And I have no idea what the **** you're talking about with my high school. Weak tactic. I would say you could do better, but I've never seen you do better so I don't feel safe making that proclamation.

Its Foreign Language Week at the school, dimwit, so they recited the pledge in different languages. Your panties are in a twist over nothing. You got trolled by a high school kids, Poindexter.

Thank you for further validating my point, shit for brains. Schools shouldn't be the forum for trolling. Unfortunately, that is what's occurring.

[kalm]

Its Foreign Language Week at the school, dimwit, so they recited the pledge in different languages. Your panties are in a twist over nothing. You got trolled by a high school kids, Poindexter.

Thank you for further validating my point, shit for brains. Schools shouldn't be the forum for trolling. Unfortunately, that is what's occurring.

Yes, it does sound like a bit of trolling but it also challenges preconceived notions and has created a fiery debate. Those are positives in education.

Btw, "forced nazi youth movement" is a nice bit of work.

[kalm]

And the problem exactly is what?

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Oh hell yeah!

Nice work there T!

[∞∞∞]

IMO, we should remove the Pledge of Allegiance from schools. The God thing bothers me a little, but I'm with 93', forcing children to listen to it every morning and participate in the pledge seems super creepy.

And as much as I liked my co-workers, the teachers I used to work with would get annoyed when I didn't recite the pledge. They kept telling me teachers were required to recite it...and I kept asking for proof of that rule. Surprisingly, I was never given it.

[travelinman67]

"...One nation, under Allah..."

THAT...was the issue

[93henfan]

And even Houndawgy is right on with one of his points. The Pledge went on for many decades without mention of God, and suddenly a pen and ink change was made in the 50s (I think). Without doing a bunch of research, because I'm sitting on the beach, shivering and smoking a cigar, I bet whoever got that worked in was similar (but obviously opposite agenda) troll.

Whenever this country can get each group with an agenda to get over itself, we can maybe start to move forward. I, as a member of the group that seems to be earmarked for neutralization, have accepted my fate finally, and I wish the besmirched groups would all do their little dances, call themselves whole, and start getting the fuck on with being Americans so we can move forward instead of rehashing all their beefs for decades. What more do they want?

[Ibanez]

And even Houndawgy is right on with one of his points. The Pledge went on for many decades without mention of God, and suddenly a pen and ink change was made in the 50s (I think). Without doing a bunch of research, because I'm sitting on the beach, shivering and smoking a cigar, I bet whoever got that worked in was similar (but obviously opposite agenda) troll.

Whenever this country can get each group with an agenda to get over itself, we can maybe start to move forward. I, as a member of the group that seems to be earmarked for neutralization, have accepted my fate finally, and I wish the besmirched groups would all do their little dances, call themselves whole, and start getting the fuck on with being Americans so we can move forward instead of rehashing all their beefs for decades. What more do they want?

GAWDAMN COMMUNIST BASTARDS!!!!

[kalm]

"...One nation, under Allah..."

THAT...was the issue

What if it was Gott, Jah, Dios?

[houndawg]

And even Houndawgy is right on with one of his points. The Pledge went on for many decades without mention of God, and suddenly a pen and ink change was made in the 50s (I think). Without doing a bunch of research, because I'm sitting on the beach, shivering and smoking a cigar, I bet whoever got that worked in was similar (but obviously opposite agenda) troll.

Whenever this country can get each group with an agenda to get over itself, we can maybe start to move forward. I, as a member of the group that seems to be earmarked for neutralization, have accepted my fate finally, and I wish the besmirched groups would all do their little dances, call themselves whole, and start getting the **** on with being Americans so we can move forward instead of rehashing all their beefs for decades. What more do they want?

Correct. During Senator McCarthy's witch hunt.

[houndawg]

"...One nation, under Allah..."

THAT...was the issue

A figment of your imagination was the issue?

[houndawg]

And even Houndawg is right on with one of his points. The Pledge went on for many decades without mention of God, and suddenly a pen and ink change was made in the 50s (I think). Without doing a bunch of research, because I'm sitting on the beach, shivering and smoking a cigar, I bet whoever got that worked in was similar (but obviously opposite agenda) troll.

Whenever this country can get each group with an agenda to get over itself, we can maybe start to move forward. I, as a member of the group that seems to be earmarked for neutralization, have accepted my fate finally, and I wish the besmirched groups would all do their little dances, call themselves whole, and start getting the **** on with being Americans so we can move forward instead of rehashing all their beefs for decades. What more do they want?

Just remember this and you'll be OK.

[houndawg]

Its Foreign Language Week at the school, dimwit, so they recited the pledge in different languages. Your panties are in a twist over nothing. You got trolled by a high school kids, Poindexter.

Thank you for further validating my point, **** for brains. Schools shouldn't be the forum for trolling. Unfortunately, that is what's occurring.

You should have more sense than to fall for it. I guess you're saying the schools didn't educate you very well.

[93henfan]

Thank you for further validating my point, **** for brains. Schools shouldn't be the forum for trolling. Unfortunately, that is what's occurring.

You should have more sense than to fall for it. I guess you're saying the schools didn't educate you very well.

Please go kill yourself. You're insufferable. Probably indivisible under God too.

[houndawg]

You should have more sense than to fall for it. I guess you're saying the schools didn't educate you very well.

Please go kill yourself. You're insufferable. Probably indivisible under God too.

Exhibit A. Easily trolled, even by high school kids. Maybe you should hang at AGS and wait for your nuts to drop before you come here.