How Do...............

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Jon, after posting as if he knew everything, gets schooled again.

What else is new.

I know, if this were real life it would have been a hate crime what just happened to him.

[Baldy]

Not sure about other states, but Georgia has well over a 100 of what we call Wildlife Management Areas (WMA). These are PRIVATELY held lands where the owners have given hunting and fishing rights to the state for the public to use free of charge. The state patrols and maintains the areas, and sets the ground rules. Several of them have gun and archery ranges, and I have visited and hunted many of them myself.

jon, there are tons of birders who take advantage of these areas as well. The one just a few miles from my house just built observation decks, walking trails, etc.

There is a healthy relationship between private landowners and the state when it comes to WMA's, and John Q being able to access hunting and fishing areas.

http://www.n-georgia.com/wildlifemap.htm

ECB(b) - FTW!!!

How about stream access laws? Or are there even any worth accessing?

Streams are for WC pussies...we have rivers.

I live on the coast, and there are at least 10 public boat ramps within a 10 minute drive of my house. All coastal waterways are fully accessible by all. In addition to the public boat ramps there are countless privately owned marinas who will allow you to use their boat ramp for free and only charge a nominal fee to put your boat into the water with a lift (for you West Coasters who don't know how to back a trailer into the water ).

Public access has never been a problem.

[kalm]

How about stream access laws? Or are there even any worth accessing?

Streams are for WC pussies...we have rivers.

I live on the coast, and there are at least 10 public boat ramps within a 10 minute drive of my house. All coastal waterways are fully accessible by all. In addition to the public boat ramps there are countless privately owned marinas who will allow you to use their boat ramp for free and only charge a nominal fee to put your boat into the water with a lift (for you West Coasters who don't know how to back a trailer into the water ).

Public access has never been a problem.

You didn't understand his question.

BTW, Georgia River:



Western river:

[Baldy]

Streams are for WC pussies...we have rivers.

I live on the coast, and there are at least 10 public boat ramps within a 10 minute drive of my house. All coastal waterways are fully accessible by all. In addition to the public boat ramps there are countless privately owned marinas who will allow you to use their boat ramp for free and only charge a nominal fee to put your boat into the water with a lift (for you West Coasters who don't know how to back a trailer into the water ).

Public access has never been a problem.

You didn't understand his question.

BTW, Georgia River:



Western river:

Nice try klamdump...

Just minutes from my home...

[bandl]

klamdump...

Baldy wins.





/end thread

[kalm]

You didn't understand his question.

BTW, Georgia River:



Western river:

Nice try klamdump...

Just minutes from my home...

I like how you hid the turbidity with the low light conditions.

I know you CALL those rivers…

Minutes from my house:

[Grizalltheway]

PALOUSE!!!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

Streams are for WC pussies...we have rivers.

I live on the coast, and there are at least 10 public boat ramps within a 10 minute drive of my house. All coastal waterways are fully accessible by all. In addition to the public boat ramps there are countless privately owned marinas who will allow you to use their boat ramp for free and only charge a nominal fee to put your boat into the water with a lift (for you West Coasters who don't know how to back a trailer into the water ).

Public access has never been a problem.

You didn't understand his question.

BTW, Georgia River:



Western river:

West Coasters love to cherry pick. I can do it too.

Georgia River:


Western River:

[Baldy]

Nice try klamdump...

Just minutes from my home...

I like how you hid the turbidity with the low light conditions.

I know you CALL those rivers…

Minutes from my house:

No, we call those salt creeks...and that was a picture at sunrise.

This is a nice sized river in the area.

[Ibanez]

Nice try klamdump...

Just minutes from my home...

I like how you hid the turbidity with the low light conditions.

I know you CALL those rivers…

Minutes from my house:

So calm, muddy waters aren't rivers? Or aren't high class enough for you? I have the Ashely, Cooper, Wando, Stono and Edisto rivers within minutes of me. Charleston is nothing but bridges and near each bridge, you'll find 1-2 public boat ramps. I've never actually heard of anyone NOT having access to the waterways. Go to the harbor and you'll find paddle boards, kayaks, shrimp boats, recreational boats, cruise liners and commercial ships all sharing the same water. Rapids are nice, but you can't say anything against waking up early, getting to the ramp and the water looks like a sheet of glass.

[Ibanez]

Some more cherry picking

Nantahala - North Carolina



Chatooga River - SC-GA border


If it was good enough for Burt Reynolds...then gawddamnit it's good enough for me!

[Grizalltheway]

I SAID PALOUSE GAWDDAMMIT!!

[Ibanez]

I SAID PALOUSE GAWDDAMMIT!!

Yeah. We heard you.

[Grizalltheway]

BTW, this is what I was referring to when I asked about stream access laws.

http://www.plwa.org/history.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

BTW, this is what I was referring to when I asked about stream access laws.

http://www.plwa.org/history.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It went right over their head. Shocking.

[kalm]

I like how you hid the turbidity with the low light conditions.

I know you CALL those rivers…

Minutes from my house:

So calm, muddy waters aren't rivers? Or aren't high class enough for you? I have the Ashely, Cooper, Wando, Stono and Edisto rivers within minutes of me. Charleston is nothing but bridges and near each bridge, you'll find 1-2 public boat ramps. I've never actually heard of anyone NOT having access to the waterways. Go to the harbor and you'll find paddle boards, kayaks, shrimp boats, recreational boats, cruise liners and commercial ships all sharing the same water. Rapids are nice, but you can't say anything against waking up early, getting to the ramp and the water looks like a sheet of glass.

I hear you guys have some mountains too.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I have an idea...............how about you guys post more stock photos from the internet?

[Ibanez]

So calm, muddy waters aren't rivers? Or aren't high class enough for you? I have the Ashely, Cooper, Wando, Stono and Edisto rivers within minutes of me. Charleston is nothing but bridges and near each bridge, you'll find 1-2 public boat ramps. I've never actually heard of anyone NOT having access to the waterways. Go to the harbor and you'll find paddle boards, kayaks, shrimp boats, recreational boats, cruise liners and commercial ships all sharing the same water. Rapids are nice, but you can't say anything against waking up early, getting to the ramp and the water looks like a sheet of glass.

I hear you guys have some mountains too.

We do. They are grander and older than your rockies.

[Ibanez]

I have an idea...............how about you guys post more stock photos from the internet?

No stock photos here, son.

[Ibanez]

BTW, this is what I was referring to when I asked about stream access laws.

http://www.plwa.org/history.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jesus, don't give me homework. I'm not going to read all that. Can you provide an Executive Summary? Was access severely limited and now it's not?

[kalm]

I have an idea...............how about you guys post more stock photos from the internet?

Hey you should get Andy to add some funny text to that image. I think it's called a meme.

[Grizalltheway]

BTW, this is what I was referring to when I asked about stream access laws.

http://www.plwa.org/history.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jesus, don't give me homework. I'm not going to read all that. Can you provide an Executive Summary? Was access severely limited and now it's not?

Oh Christ, here's a shorter version.

In the late 1970’s , harassment of anglers and floaters on Dearborn and Smith Rivers lead to a lawsuits by which culminated in a historically important Montana Supreme Court ruling . One of the cases involved the Dearborn River and the late Michael Curran of Wolf Creek . The other involved the Beaverhead River and Lowell Hildreth of Dillon. Attorney Jim Goetz working with PLWA members Tom Bugni, Jerry Manley , and Tony Schoonen in the name of the Montana Coalition for Stream Access, prevailed in both cases. In 1984, after an unsuccessful attempt had been made to resolve the issue in the legislature, the Montana Supreme Court ruled “The public has the right to use Montana’s rivers and streams that are capable of recreational use, up to the ordinary high water mark.”. ( It is interesting to note that the unsuccessful legislation asked only for access to the larger navigable rivers. However , the Montana Supreme Court declared that all rivers and streams - both navigable and non-navigable are open for recreational access. ) The result of this is that we now enjoy probably the best stream access law in the United States.

(Can you imagine what Montana would be like if the property owners controlled the stream bottom? In some states, like Wyoming or Colorado , you can't even drop your anchor or step out of a boat in a stream running through private property.)

On June 7, 2000, the Mountain States Legal Foundation , a big business supported , non -profit from Denver, filed a lawsuit aimed at striking down our stream access law. The MSLF represented three landowners on the . Ruby River, Stillwater River, and O'Dell Creek on the Madison River. They claimed the law deprived them of their privacy and denied them income from leasing their property to outfitters or private fishing clubs. On January 4, 2001, District Judge Charles Lovell dismissed the suit in its entirety. The MSLF then appealed to the Federal 9th Circuit Court, and the case was dismissed. In 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court refused their appeal and let stand the 9th Circuit decision upholding the law . (The same MSLF that brought us such anti conservation notables such as ex Secretaries of the Interior, James Watt and Gail Norton - arch enemies of public land ownership and access. )


Ownership of the stream bed is often misunderstood. The stream access law does not give ownership of the stream bed on smaller non-navigable streams to the public. It only provides for an easement for recreational purposes. On larger rivers , such as the Missouri, Yellowstone, and Clark Fork, either the federal government or the State of Montana own and manage the stream bed. (See article in Know Your Rights tab of this website. )

[Ibanez]

Jesus, don't give me homework. I'm not going to read all that. Can you provide an Executive Summary? Was access severely limited and now it's not?

Oh Christ, here's a shorter version.

Can you imagine what Montana would be like if the property owners controlled the stream bottom? In some states, like Wyoming or Colorado , you can't even drop your anchor or step out of a boat in a stream running through private property.

WTF? That's crazy. I've fished in the rivers right off private land, had the homeowner come out and ask if I've had any luck.

[kalm]

Jesus, don't give me homework. I'm not going to read all that. Can you provide an Executive Summary? Was access severely limited and now it's not?

Oh Christ, here's a shorter version.

In the late 1970’s , harassment of anglers and floaters on Dearborn and Smith Rivers lead to a lawsuits by which culminated in a historically important Montana Supreme Court ruling . One of the cases involved the Dearborn River and the late Michael Curran of Wolf Creek . The other involved the Beaverhead River and Lowell Hildreth of Dillon. Attorney Jim Goetz working with PLWA members Tom Bugni, Jerry Manley , and Tony Schoonen in the name of the Montana Coalition for Stream Access, prevailed in both cases. In 1984, after an unsuccessful attempt had been made to resolve the issue in the legislature, the Montana Supreme Court ruled “The public has the right to use Montana’s rivers and streams that are capable of recreational use, up to the ordinary high water mark.”. ( It is interesting to note that the unsuccessful legislation asked only for access to the larger navigable rivers. However , the Montana Supreme Court declared that all rivers and streams - both navigable and non-navigable are open for recreational access. ) The result of this is that we now enjoy probably the best stream access law in the United States.

(Can you imagine what Montana would be like if the property owners controlled the stream bottom? In some states, like Wyoming or Colorado , you can't even drop your anchor or step out of a boat in a stream running through private property.)

On June 7, 2000, the Mountain States Legal Foundation , a big business supported , non -profit from Denver, filed a lawsuit aimed at striking down our stream access law. The MSLF represented three landowners on the . Ruby River, Stillwater River, and O'Dell Creek on the Madison River. They claimed the law deprived them of their privacy and denied them income from leasing their property to outfitters or private fishing clubs. On January 4, 2001, District Judge Charles Lovell dismissed the suit in its entirety. The MSLF then appealed to the Federal 9th Circuit Court, and the case was dismissed. In 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court refused their appeal and let stand the 9th Circuit decision upholding the law . (The same MSLF that brought us such anti conservation notables such as ex Secretaries of the Interior, James Watt and Gail Norton - arch enemies of public land ownership and access. )


Ownership of the stream bed is often misunderstood. The stream access law does not give ownership of the stream bed on smaller non-navigable streams to the public. It only provides for an easement for recreational purposes. On larger rivers , such as the Missouri, Yellowstone, and Clark Fork, either the federal government or the State of Montana own and manage the stream bed. (See article in Know Your Rights tab of this website. )

IOW, all the waterways in Montana belong to all of the people.

You're welcome.

[Grizalltheway]

Oh Christ, here's a shorter version.

IOW, all the waterways in Montana belong to all of the people.

You're welcome.

Yep. A bunch of Marxists we be.