Castle Doctrine........Bit*h

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The thief was in the wrong, he kicked all of this into motion and wrecked a families life.

I would never convict or charge a person for defending their home, even if they put youtube videos up detailing how they would kill the next guy into their home. The law is wrong

Dont go into their home, problem solved.

Not one person, not one, is saying this isn't a fact. Stick to it if you want to but it's a dumb premise since we all agree on that.

The other guy also gets his because he's a piece of premeditating shit so it would be OK if you personally wouldn't convict him. Luckily, the jury of his peers that live around the dork saw to it that he goes away for a long time. They were correct.

Kaarma is an idiot, he fucked himself in several different way, I am not defending him in anyway.

Not one person, not one, is saying this isn't a fact. Stick to it if you want to but it's a dumb premise since we all agree on that.

[houndawg]

I have always believed that if you're messing with someone else's property all bets are off and if you get killed you earned it. The property owner should not be prosecuted under any circumstances. And if the property owner set a trap for you tough titty. You wouldn't have fallen into the trap if you weren't trying to steal something.

The first time I can remember being outraged by the way the law is on that was probably back in the 80s. I heard a radio news story about a guy who had been having problems with people coming through some kind of vent or something in the roof of his shop and stealing stuff. So he rigged some kind of booby trap with a shotgun. Somebody coming in to steal got blasted and the shop owner was arrested and charged for setting the trap.

No way that should've happened. No way the law should be such that someone's arrested and charged for giving some thief what's coming to them like that.

What a simpleton.

[houndawg]

Theft once, no. But 3 burglaries isn't enough in your mind? So how many burglaries should a guy have to suffer through before he can blow some punk burglar away? 4? 5? 6?

Burglarized once, and that pisses you off- dealing with the police, insurance, replacing your stuff, feeling violated. Twice would be enough to absolutely ENRAGE ANYONE. Totally justified to say "IVE HAD IT! and the next scumbag who attempts to burglarize my place I'M GOING TO BLOW HIS F'ING HEAD OFF.No person should have to suffer through 3 burglaries without being allowed take any measures to defend his property.

You would think a guy being burglarized would go to the trouble of closing up his garage door. I mean whether you should have to or not doesn't matter...you shouldn't have to. I should be able to walk down the streets of any large city with a bag of cash but I'd be a **** idiot to do so. I need to do something to mitigate what I know to be a danger or else I need to take a good share of the responsibility for whatever outcome comes about. The fact that you are such a **** moron that after being robbed several times you again go and leave it setup with your garage open means you should be out of the gene pool as well because you are way to **** dumb to make sure humanity continues into the future anyway.

If you are setting up a situation so you can take a life as opposed to just closing your garage then go **** yourself, you are a a piece of **** that should be taken out of society because we can't have **** morons going around setting up what their ideal of society is on their own. He got what he has coming and hopefully society won't see this shitbag again.

You see this is the disconnect here. Both **** sides to this want to argue the absolutes of the situation instead of what really happened. Funny cuz it's also the conservative people making these **** moron arguments which means even when a gun guy does it wrong some of you jump to their defense or don't see it for what it really is and try to separate what you are from what this dullard is. Sad cuz I've see a lot of you also question why muslims don't stand up to their own when they do bad ****. It's an odd trait to share.

Maybe even go as far as get a lock, maybe even a security system. Probably get a break on your homeowner's policy..

I hope any of you folks that have a teenage son don't wind up in this situation. And if you say your kid wouldn't think of getting in trouble you're full of shit and already behind the curve on parenting. It is a medical fact that the part of the brain that controls decision making and weighing consequences is not yet fully developed in teenage males. Thats what makes this murder. If a professional burglar gets shot in the same situation I'd let Kaarma go with with a felony to keep him from owning guns anymore and a couple of years probation. He'd probably even get some of the hero worship he so desperately wants. But a dumb ass teenage kid stealing your weed...... nope. Especially when you give him the coup de grace while he's begging for his life. Whichever inmate shanks this piece of shit in prison will probably have all kinds of donations to his account from grateful strangers. If this POS has kids of his own they're lucky he won't be around to raise them.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Not one person, not one, is saying this isn't a fact. Stick to it if you want to but it's a dumb premise since we all agree on that.

The other guy also gets his because he's a piece of premeditating shit so it would be OK if you personally wouldn't convict him. Luckily, the jury of his peers that live around the dork saw to it that he goes away for a long time. They were correct.

Kaarma is an idiot, he fucked himself in several different way, I am not defending him in anyway.

Not one person, not one, is saying this isn't a fact. Stick to it if you want to but it's a dumb premise since we all agree on that.

It's a beautiful tactic if you can pull it off but you didn't. You were defending him. You could have said what I said and you'd have been correct. But you said Karma should not have been convicted, Missoula loves the robber, and all that sort of sort of horse shit. What you were doing was trying to stick to that "absolute" thing I was talking about earlier but it didn't work in the end. Glad you've come around to the correct analysis however you got here. I will continue to watch over you and help where I can. You're welcome.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Kaarma is an idiot, he fucked himself in several different way, I am not defending him in anyway.

Not one person, not one, is saying this isn't a fact. Stick to it if you want to but it's a dumb premise since we all agree on that.

It's a beautiful tactic if you can pull it off but you didn't. You were defending him. You could have said what I said and you'd have been correct. But you said Karma should not have been convicted, Missoula loves the robber, and all that sort of sort of horse shit. What you were doing was trying to stick to that "absolute" thing I was talking about earlier but it didn't work in the end. Glad you've come around to the correct analysis however you got here. I will continue to watch over you and help where I can. You're welcome.

Please quote me where I said Kaarma should not be convicted? I said "I wouldnt" which as we both know pretty much admits I knew he was fucked. I cannot help that you are reading me wrong.

Missoula is almost always on the wrong side of things like this, they will always jump on a gun guy or alleged rapist. Its what they do.

I am doing pretty good on my own, you might want to focus on Grizo or GATW that guy needs you now.....more than ever.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I would never convict or charge a person for defending their home, even if they put youtube videos up detailing how they would kill the next guy into their home. The law is wrong

You can do all the verbal/written gymnastics you want to but this is what you presented so this is where you said it, among other spots. Don't sweat it Alpha I got time for all you guys.

[houndawg]

It's a beautiful tactic if you can pull it off but you didn't. You were defending him. You could have said what I said and you'd have been correct. But you said Karma should not have been convicted, Missoula loves the robber, and all that sort of sort of horse ****. What you were doing was trying to stick to that "absolute" thing I was talking about earlier but it didn't work in the end. Glad you've come around to the correct analysis however you got here. I will continue to watch over you and help where I can. You're welcome.

Please quote me where I said Kaarma should not be convicted? I said "I wouldnt" which as we both know pretty much admits I knew he was ****. I cannot help that you are reading me wrong.

Missoula is almost always on the wrong side of things like this, they will always jump on a gun guy or alleged rapist. Its what they do.

I am doing pretty good on my own, you might want to focus on Grizo or GATW that guy needs you now.....more than ever.

Toughest guy on the internetz and here you are trying to weasel out of what you said. Back in the day you would have owned it like a man instead of becoming the poster boy for the pussification od Montana...




Between you losing your backbone and Unravellinman67 taking leave of his senses this place just aint the same. Didn't used to be so much like playin' Keep Away with the retarded kid...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I know what I meant and there is a reason I said "I" would never convict or charge instead of he shouldnt have been. We both know I am not the gymnastics type.

Like I said before its not my fault you are reading me wrong.

[Grizalltheway]

The title of the thread, which you of course started, implies that he shouldn't have even been charged based on the Castle Doctrine. Just stop digging already.

[AZGrizFan]

I would agree under different circumstances. But: some teenagers stealing your weed and bongs doesn't require escalation to pre-meditated murder. Now run the same scenario except the homeowner catches the kid in the garage and whips his ass real proper. It doesn't even go to court and the kid is very likely shamed into straightening up his act a little. Hell, I'll bet the homeowner knew damn well that it was high school kids he was going to catch. Some kid, punk or not, begging for his life and you finish him off? I hope he goes to prison with a big rep as a bad hombre preceding him.

Agreed. And Z, I'm trying to absolve the kid of all responsibility in this. But there's a reason trespassing and theft are misdemeanors and not capital offenses.

I know you are and that's why we disagree.

[Vidav]

Agreed. And Z, I'm trying to absolve the kid of all responsibility in this. But there's a reason trespassing and theft are misdemeanors and not capital offenses.

I know you are and that's why we disagree.

I was hoping he meant to say "I'm not trying" and messed up. Otherwise the last sentence wouldn't fit.

[Grizalltheway]

Yeah, insert a "not" in there.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I know what I meant and there is a reason I said "I" would never convict or charge instead of he shouldnt have been. We both know I am not the gymnastics type.

Like I said before its not my fault you are reading me wrong.

It's absolutely your fault. You are trying to be unclear or purposely misleading so you can get a reaction of some sort. I get that from the giddyup but still can't see what you are saying.
You say:
""I' wouldn't convict, but he should have been convicted".

You don't really think that makes sense do you? YOu either feel it is correct or you don't and you've put forth for the majority that you don't think it is correct...then say it isn't.

It ain't me, it's you.

Simple yes or no time here I think. Should Karma have been convicted?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I don't care if he is or isn't that was never my point. I wouldn't have charged him if we are talking about Kaarma which was never my point, but you know that.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, insert a "not" in there.

Revisionist motherfucker.

[AZGrizFan]

I know what I meant and there is a reason I said "I" would never convict or charge instead of he shouldnt have been. We both know I am not the gymnastics type.

Like I said before its not my fault you are reading me wrong.

It's absolutely your fault. You are trying to be unclear or purposely misleading so you can get a reaction of some sort. I get that from the giddyup but still can't see what you are saying.
You say:
""I' wouldn't convict, but he should have been convicted".

You don't really think that makes sense do you? YOu either feel it is correct or you don't and you've put forth for the majority that you don't think it is correct...then say it isn't.

It ain't me, it's you.

Simple yes or no time here I think. Should Karma have been convicted?

I know several of his neighbors....they ALL say that dude was a loose cannon. I think that has proven itself to be more than true...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Cool, I don't give a fuck about Kaarma

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Cool, I don't give a fuck about Kaarma

Never have

[kalm]

Cool, I don't give a fuck about Kaarma

Never have

And Karma doesn't care about you.

[Grizalltheway]

Another interesting case testing the gray areas of this law going to trial.


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[bandl]

Is Sprout in prison? He said he was going 'off the grid' for a long while, but I'm fairly certain he just meant he was going to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

[dbackjon]

Is Sprout in prison? He said he was going 'off the grid' for a long while, but I'm fairly certain he just meant he was going to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Or Vacation, as he calls it

[ASUG8]

Another interesting case testing the gray areas of this law going to trial.


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I think this guy goes to jail. The way I understand it, Castle Doctrine applies if someone is breaking into your home and threatens to do bodily injury to you. You can stand your ground with no duty to retreat in your home, but a guy trying to retreat by jumping out a window and getting shot in the back probably negates this.

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[Grizalltheway]

Another interesting case testing the gray areas of this law going to trial.


http://helenair.com/news/crime-and-cour ... c91c7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think this guy goes to jail. The way I understand it, Castle Doctrine applies if someone is breaking into your home and threatens to do bodily injury to you. You can stand your ground with no duty to retreat in your home, but a guy trying to retreat by jumping out a window and getting shot in the back probably negates this.

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Agreed, which is why all the gun nuts around here blindly supporting him crack me up. The fact that his story conflicts so badly with the forensic evidence certainly doesn't help.

[CAA Flagship]