Vernon Adams to Oregon?

[YoUDeeMan]

Why?

Despite the beating I'm taking here, I'd feel the same way if it was Kyle Emmanuel being courted by Nebraska, or Wagenmann by Boise State, or Zenner by Iowa.

This isn't about Cluck U's love of civil rights and kicking me in the nut. There are many restrictions placed on athletes both professional and collegiate. There are rules in place to protect institutions, players, and fair competition. Unrestricted free agency between FBS and FCS is not a good thing.

If he goes, I truly hope he wins the starting job and it raises his draft stock but the whole think stinks to high heaven.

Why? Pretty simple. He's got a chance to better his life a fair amount by taking a small chance here but you are saying this shouldn't happen because it doesn't suit what you or other fans want for your program.

It is a very selfish perspective from what I am getting out of the conversation. That is what surprised me. It's an unusual situation he's found himself in and making the absolute most of any situation is what I'm sure we'd all do as well if given that opportunity.

If kalm had a son, he would look like Adams...and kalm would want the best for his son.

Note to Vernon: don't let the man, even your old man, hold you down.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Why? Pretty simple. He's got a chance to better his life a fair amount by taking a small chance here but you are saying this shouldn't happen because it doesn't suit what you or other fans want for your program.

It is a very selfish perspective from what I am getting out of the conversation. That is what surprised me. It's an unusual situation he's found himself in and making the absolute most of any situation is what I'm sure we'd all do as well if given that opportunity.

Then he should have walked on at Oregon or should declare now.

It really isn't about the bolded although I understand that's an easy shot to take.

If he was declared the starter by Oregon, that might change my mind but that's still pie in sky. It's like the FBS marginal running back or lineman recruited by Washington and EWU who thinks he has NFL talent and chooses UW but never sees the field because there's 6 other equally talented RB's on the roster.

It is in fact his decision to make and I won't begrudge him the choice, but as I mentioned, unrestricted free agency from FCS to FBS is not a good thing.

Do you support the transfer up rule as it applies to non-graduates?

We're not dealing with that so let's stick to what we are dealing with here. I do support it the way it is now but would appreciate you not using it as a stepping stone cuz I'll be waiting for that shoe.

It's real simple. He had an obligation to EWU, he has fulfilled it. Now let's say we had an academic scholarship guy at EWU and he excelled greatly and all the sudden a very highly esteemed college wanted to offer him a chance at a scholarship for post grad...everyone would say "hell yes you gotta go" and it don't mean jack shit what his career choice is after he finishes if he can put himself in a better position to make a better f'n life for himself then not supporting it as a fan is pure selfish bullshit.

As GATW already said as well your premise uf unrestricted FA is false brother so step away from that one. He is a ratity in that he has met a fairly specific set of criteria to put himself in this situation.

[kalm]

Then he should have walked on at Oregon or should declare now.

It really isn't about the bolded although I understand that's an easy shot to take.

If he was declared the starter by Oregon, that might change my mind but that's still pie in sky. It's like the FBS marginal running back or lineman recruited by Washington and EWU who thinks he has NFL talent and chooses UW but never sees the field because there's 6 other equally talented RB's on the roster.

It is in fact his decision to make and I won't begrudge him the choice, but as I mentioned, unrestricted free agency from FCS to FBS is not a good thing.

Do you support the transfer up rule as it applies to non-graduates?

We're not dealing with that so let's stick to what we are dealing with here. I do support it the way it is now but would appreciate you not using it as a stepping stone cuz I'll be waiting for that shoe.

It's real simple. He had an obligation to EWU, he has fulfilled it. Now let's say we had an academic scholarship guy at EWU and he excelled greatly and all the sudden a very highly esteemed college wanted to offer him a chance at a scholarship for post grad...everyone would say "hell yes you gotta go" and it don't mean jack shit what his career choice is after he finishes if he can put himself in a better position to make a better f'n life for himself then not supporting it as a fan is pure selfish bullshit.

As GATW already said as well your premise uf unrestricted FA is false brother so step away from that one. He is a ratity in that he has met a fairly specific set of criteria to put himself in this situation.

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

[Grizalltheway]

We're not dealing with that so let's stick to what we are dealing with here. I do support it the way it is now but would appreciate you not using it as a stepping stone cuz I'll be waiting for that shoe.

It's real simple. He had an obligation to EWU, he has fulfilled it. Now let's say we had an academic scholarship guy at EWU and he excelled greatly and all the sudden a very highly esteemed college wanted to offer him a chance at a scholarship for post grad...everyone would say "hell yes you gotta go" and it don't mean jack shit what his career choice is after he finishes if he can put himself in a better position to make a better f'n life for himself then not supporting it as a fan is pure selfish bullshit.

As GATW already said as well your premise uf unrestricted FA is false brother so step away from that one. He is a ratity in that he has met a fairly specific set of criteria to put himself in this situation.

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

And? Aren't student athletes supposed to be students first and foremost, homey?

[kalm]

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

And? Aren't student athletes supposed to be students first and foremost, homey?

Yes they are. FTR, that's Eastern's take on this. He'll be graduated, what does that have to do with it?

[clenz]

And? Aren't student athletes supposed to be students first and foremost, homey?

Yes they are. FTR, that's Eastern's take on this. He'll be graduated, what does that have to do with it?

Exactly!

He now has zero "obligation" to EWU anymore...period.

Scholarships are only 1 year.
He's graduated.
Even if he hadn't graduated he could still transfer - happens all the time with kids who don't play a ton and then transfer D2 to try to play. Why is it a big deal he's doing the same thing but going to Oregon?

Spin this anyway you want to make it "wrong" but you'll be the one that's wrong.

EWU and he both fulfilled

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

We're not dealing with that so let's stick to what we are dealing with here. I do support it the way it is now but would appreciate you not using it as a stepping stone cuz I'll be waiting for that shoe.

It's real simple. He had an obligation to EWU, he has fulfilled it. Now let's say we had an academic scholarship guy at EWU and he excelled greatly and all the sudden a very highly esteemed college wanted to offer him a chance at a scholarship for post grad...everyone would say "hell yes you gotta go" and it don't mean jack shit what his career choice is after he finishes if he can put himself in a better position to make a better f'n life for himself then not supporting it as a fan is pure selfish bullshit.

As GATW already said as well your premise uf unrestricted FA is false brother so step away from that one. He is a ratity in that he has met a fairly specific set of criteria to put himself in this situation.

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

No shit? So what? It points out the fact that you are bitching about it because you have an emotional response that reflects what is good for yourself and not what is good for the student and his future.

Selfishness is the key here kalm. Both students offer something to the institution and in return are offered something for their particular skill. A fan has the luxury of crying about something when they have zero skin in the game...don't tell me buying tickets counts as skin in the game either cuz it doesn't. This is about the kid and his future prospects.

It is exactly like the academic example except that you don't pay to go watch them work for the most part.

[Grizalltheway]

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

No shit? So what? It points out the fact that you are bitching about it because you have an emotional response that reflects what is good for yourself and not what is good for the student and his future.

Selfishness is the key here kalm. Both students offer something to the institution and in return are offered something for their particular skill. A fan has the luxury of crying about something when they have zero skin in the game...don't tell me buying tickets counts as skin in the game either cuz it doesn't. This is about the kid and his future prospects.

It is exactly like the academic example except that you don't pay to go watch them work for the most part.

Depends on the cans the student in question has.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

No shit? So what? It points out the fact that you are bitching about it because you have an emotional response that reflects what is good for yourself and not what is good for the student and his future.

Selfishness is the key here kalm. Both students offer something to the institution and in return are offered something for their particular skill. A fan has the luxury of crying about something when they have zero skin in the game...don't tell me buying tickets counts as skin in the game either cuz it doesn't. This is about the kid and his future prospects.

It is exactly like the academic example except that you don't pay to go watch them work for the most part.

Depends on the cans the student in question has.

The whole reason I dd not make that statement closed up is because I paid (several times) to go watch a large chested girl disrobe onstage for some play...so it can happen.

[clenz]

We're not dealing with that so let's stick to what we are dealing with here. I do support it the way it is now but would appreciate you not using it as a stepping stone cuz I'll be waiting for that shoe.

It's real simple. He had an obligation to EWU, he has fulfilled it. Now let's say we had an academic scholarship guy at EWU and he excelled greatly and all the sudden a very highly esteemed college wanted to offer him a chance at a scholarship for post grad...everyone would say "hell yes you gotta go" and it don't mean jack shit what his career choice is after he finishes if he can put himself in a better position to make a better f'n life for himself then not supporting it as a fan is pure selfish bullshit.

As GATW already said as well your premise uf unrestricted FA is false brother so step away from that one. He is a ratity in that he has met a fairly specific set of criteria to put himself in this situation.

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

UNI has a guy on full academic scholarship on the basketball team - had one on the football team a couple years ago.

A couple of guys on the UNI basketball team right now would be on full ride if they didn't accept the athletic scholarship/forced into the athletic scholarship because they were recruited so it counts against the limit

[SuperHornet]

I'd rather not see Adams walk, but if he does, I hope he goes the P. Manning route with this, in contrast to the Leinart route....

[Bronco]

I still want him to stay but...

EWU gave him the nickname of Big Play VA

It's a big Play for him to leave

[kalm]

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

No shit? So what? It points out the fact that you are bitching about it because you have an emotional response that reflects what is good for yourself and not what is good for the student and his future.

Selfishness is the key here kalm. Both students offer something to the institution and in return are offered something for their particular skill. A fan has the luxury of crying about something when they have zero skin in the game...don't tell me buying tickets counts as skin in the game either cuz it doesn't. This is about the kid and his future prospects.

It is exactly like the academic example except that you don't pay to go watch them work for the most part.

Oh JFC, it's bad enough dealing with one unbearable Cluck, but et tu?

I've considered VA gone for a few days now, so it's not about the emotion. Looking forward to the next All American QB that Beau and Co. develop.

There are a number of NCAA restrictions that impede a student athlete's right to do whatever he wants, play wherever he wants yet those tend to not come up in discussion.

So I respectfully disagree and I still think your analogy sucks.

[kalm]

An academic scholarship guy ain't playing competitive team, collegiate, athletics, homey.

UNI has a guy on full academic scholarship on the basketball team - had one on the football team a couple years ago.

A couple of guys on the UNI basketball team right now would be on full ride if they didn't accept the athletic scholarship/forced into the athletic scholarship because they were recruited so it counts against the limit

Shut up, no-it-all!

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

No shit? So what? It points out the fact that you are bitching about it because you have an emotional response that reflects what is good for yourself and not what is good for the student and his future.

Selfishness is the key here kalm. Both students offer something to the institution and in return are offered something for their particular skill. A fan has the luxury of crying about something when they have zero skin in the game...don't tell me buying tickets counts as skin in the game either cuz it doesn't. This is about the kid and his future prospects.

It is exactly like the academic example except that you don't pay to go watch them work for the most part.

Oh JFC, it's bad enough dealing with one unbearable Cluck, but et tu?

I've considered VA gone for a few days now, so it's not about the emotion. Looking forward to the next All American QB that Beau and Co. develop.

There are a number of NCAA restrictions that impede a student athlete's right to do whatever he wants, play wherever he wants yet those tend to not come up in discussion.

So I respectfully disagree and I still think your analogy sucks.

Except it doesn't. It's dead fucking on. The ONLY difference in the two is you and other fans have an emotion about it...that is it. At least be honest about it.

There are a number of restrictions that impede a students movement and VA is in a rare position of meeting all in this case. I'm, glad you finally admit that your overstatement of unrestricted FA was just drama queening.

Good work. Now when you admit the error you made in saying one student and their outcome is different than another we'll be done with this lesson. BTW, it is not an analogy. It is a comparison of two similar objectives.

You're wrong but you are still welcome.

[kalm]

Oh JFC, it's bad enough dealing with one unbearable Cluck, but et tu?

I've considered VA gone for a few days now, so it's not about the emotion. Looking forward to the next All American QB that Beau and Co. develop.

There are a number of NCAA restrictions that impede a student athlete's right to do whatever he wants, play wherever he wants yet those tend to not come up in discussion.

So I respectfully disagree and I still think your analogy sucks.

Except it doesn't. It's dead fucking on. The ONLY difference in the two is you and other fans have an emotion about it...that is it. At least be honest about it.

There are a number of restrictions that impede a students movement and VA is in a rare position of meeting all in this case. I'm, glad you finally admit that your overstatement of unrestricted FA was just drama queening.

Good work. Now when you admit the error you made in saying one student and their outcome is different than another we'll be done with this lesson. BTW, it is not an analogy. It is a comparison of two similar objectives.

You're wrong but you are still welcome.

Oh for fuck's sake, now I'm dealing with an AZGriz-Cluck hybrid. I hope you're enjoying this.

Tell me, in yours and Cluck's egalitarian world of equal opportunity, what other playing fields should be leveled?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Except it doesn't. It's dead fucking on. The ONLY difference in the two is you and other fans have an emotion about it...that is it. At least be honest about it.

There are a number of restrictions that impede a students movement and VA is in a rare position of meeting all in this case. I'm, glad you finally admit that your overstatement of unrestricted FA was just drama queening.

Good work. Now when you admit the error you made in saying one student and their outcome is different than another we'll be done with this lesson. BTW, it is not an analogy. It is a comparison of two similar objectives.

You're wrong but you are still welcome.

Oh for fuck's sake, now I'm dealing with an AZGriz-Cluck hybrid. I hope you're enjoying this.

Tell me, in yours and Cluck's egalitarian world of equal opportunity, what other playing fields should be leveled?

I only speak for myself and my view is simple. The playing field is already level. Things are fine the way they are as VA and EWU met their obligations to each other. Nothing needs to be done except to maybe have the fans try and remove their self centered stance (if they believe as you seem to anyway) and move along with assurance that you will again have 50-100 drop downs that can and have helped you win a championship for every one guy that goes the other way.

I skimmed the longer posts so glad Cluck and AZ had this one right and didn't let you just yammer on about what you and gimmie-gimmies needed to make yourselves feel good this spring. I didn't really see AZ in this thing though...sorry if I missed some good work on his part there cuz you gotta catch that lightning in a bottle when you can.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Sucks for EWU, but he did graduate.


What is worrisome is if the one-year sitout for regular transfers to FBS is eliminated - you will see this as a regular occurance

No, he hasn't graduated yet. That's my main contention with all of this, despite what the butthurt fans of teams EWU has beaten in big games think or say; unless Adams has asked for and been granted release from his scholarship, how the fuck is it legal or ethical to recruit a player who is under scholarship and hasn't graduated yet? Once he graduates, yes, but that hasn't happened. Nor has it been announced that he's been released from his scholarship.

As for my "change of face," serious question to all of you schadenfreudian twats: Did you honestly believe when the rumors surfaced (from less-than-legitimate "news" sources) that it was likely that an FBS team like Oregon would seriously consider Adams to be a starter for the team considering the amount of talent they recruit, and offer him a scholarship? Of course you all were HOPING, but I highly doubt many of you honestly believed the rumors to be true.

Regardless, nothing is official yet. And even if he does, EWU will be still be a contender for a NC, not just beating the Griz or whatever 2nd rate team you root for. (looking at you, butthurt UD fans).

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Pac-12 schools passed over Adams the first go around and Eastern took a chance on him. That should be their loss.

Yet you want to make it Adam's loss.

Strange.

And yet the only reason you're in this thread, pathetically trolling, is because of UD's loss. Here, have some of this, you clearly need it:

[Gil Dobie]

Andre Martin transferred to NDSU after graduating from UNI. He was a nice Dback in a Bison championship season. Like SE said, EWU will still be a contender. Player come and go, but some programs like EWU continue to reload.

[kalm]

Oh for fuck's sake, now I'm dealing with an AZGriz-Cluck hybrid. I hope you're enjoying this.

Tell me, in yours and Cluck's egalitarian world of equal opportunity, what other playing fields should be leveled?

I only speak for myself and my view is simple. The playing field is already level. Things are fine the way they are as VA and EWU met their obligations to each other. Nothing needs to be done except to maybe have the fans try and remove their self centered stance (if they believe as you seem to anyway) and move along with assurance that you will again have 50-100 drop downs that can and have helped you win a championship for every one guy that goes the other way.

I skimmed the longer posts so glad Cluck and AZ had this one right and didn't let you just yammer on about what you and gimmie-gimmies needed to make yourselves feel good this spring. I didn't really see AZ in this thing though...sorry if I missed some good work on his part there cuz you gotta catch that lightning in a bottle when you can.

My point is that there are many rules in place that restrict what a student athlete can and can't do. I get the libertarian argument but it's based solely on graduation. If he doesn't graduate ahead of schedule, he can't go. Wouldn't that too be selfish of us to accept?

Oh, and I used AZ because he's known for shitty analogies.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I only speak for myself and my view is simple. The playing field is already level. Things are fine the way they are as VA and EWU met their obligations to each other. Nothing needs to be done except to maybe have the fans try and remove their self centered stance (if they believe as you seem to anyway) and move along with assurance that you will again have 50-100 drop downs that can and have helped you win a championship for every one guy that goes the other way.

I skimmed the longer posts so glad Cluck and AZ had this one right and didn't let you just yammer on about what you and gimmie-gimmies needed to make yourselves feel good this spring. I didn't really see AZ in this thing though...sorry if I missed some good work on his part there cuz you gotta catch that lightning in a bottle when you can.

My point is that there are many rules in place that restrict what a student athlete can and can't do. I get the libertarian argument but it's based solely on graduation. If he doesn't graduate ahead of schedule, he can't go. Wouldn't that too be selfish of us to accept?

Oh, and I used AZ because he's known for shitty analogies.

First question the is "No" it would not be as the contract had not been fulfilled between he and EWU.

I know a bad analogy and if you'll remember I'm the one that started pointing out how bad AZ's were in the first place.

If I were comparing something kalm did to another thing kalm did it would not be an analogy it would be pointing out an inconsistency between the two things so I guess I see where you went off-roading on that one. You just didn't understand what was happening around you. It's forgivable buddy.

[kalm]

My point is that there are many rules in place that restrict what a student athlete can and can't do. I get the libertarian argument but it's based solely on graduation. If he doesn't graduate ahead of schedule, he can't go. Wouldn't that too be selfish of us to accept?

Oh, and I used AZ because he's known for shitty analogies.

First question the is "No" it would not be as the contract had not been fulfilled between he and EWU.

I know a bad analogy and if you'll remember I'm the one that started pointing out how bad AZ's were in the first place.

If I were comparing something kalm did to another thing kalm did it would not be an analogy it would be pointing out an inconsistency between the two things so I guess I see where you went off-roading on that one. You just didn't understand what was happening around you. It's forgivable buddy.

So it's only a contractual thing? Why should he be forced into the contract to begin with? That's selfish on the part of the university!

I'll work on my selfishness and you work on your writing skills. Cool?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

First question the is "No" it would not be as the contract had not been fulfilled between he and EWU.

I know a bad analogy and if you'll remember I'm the one that started pointing out how bad AZ's were in the first place.

If I were comparing something kalm did to another thing kalm did it would not be an analogy it would be pointing out an inconsistency between the two things so I guess I see where you went off-roading on that one. You just didn't understand what was happening around you. It's forgivable buddy.

So it's only a contractual thing? Why should he be forced into the contract to begin with? That's selfish on the part of the university!

I'll work on my selfishness and you work on your writing skills. Cool?

Why? I'm not a writer?

Contractual, yes, it is an agreement for mutual benefit that VA will have fulfilled soon if all I've seen is correct and I'm glad to hear you will continue to work on it.

It is not selfish on the part of a University to expect someone they are giving a scholarship should complete it as VA will do. To expect less of VA would be EWU not providing the lessons (life) that he needs to know. Now if he has a chance to better his situation then good for the lad, & I wish him well.

[kalm]

So it's only a contractual thing? Why should he be forced into the contract to begin with? That's selfish on the part of the university!

I'll work on my selfishness and you work on your writing skills. Cool?

Why? I'm not a writer?

Contractual, yes, it is an agreement for mutual benefit that VA will have fulfilled soon if all I've seen is correct and I'm glad to hear you will continue to work on it.

It is not selfish on the part of a University to expect someone they are giving a scholarship should complete it as VA will do. To expect less of VA would be EWU not providing the lessons (life) that he needs to know. Now if he has a chance to better his situation then good for the lad, & I wish him well.

I hate arguing with you what with all the logic and Montana homespun vernacular.