Happy 42nd, Roe vs Wade!!! Reproductive Freedom Forever!!!

[CAA Flagship]

Abortion KILLS 19 Times More Blacks Than Murder!

How much taxpayer money was spent on these abortions?

[Grizalltheway]

Abortion KILLS 19 Times More Blacks Than Murder!

How much taxpayer money was spent on these abortions?

Not as much as would have been spent on supporting them from cradle to grave.

Did I "conk" that right?

[travelinman67]

How much taxpayer money was spent on these abortions?

Not as much as would have been spent on supporting them from cradle to grave.

Did I "conk" that right?

Lame deflect, Pontiousdawg

[Chizzang]

You didn't answer my question, Chizzy. Would you or would you not be okay with someone killing a healthy infant?

There's a reason people like Peter Singer advocate for legal infantcide - to get away from lazy moral reletavist justification for abortion and arbitrary definitions of when a right to life begins.

And no, that's not the same point I made upthread.

I guess I'm about as "okay" will killing infants as I am with our military bombing civilians...
those two things are about as irrelevant as each other in this context

[Pwns]

Again, you avoided the question and tried to change the subject to war.

[CAA Flagship]

How much taxpayer money was spent on these abortions?

Not as much as would have been spent on supporting them from cradle to grave.

Did I "conk" that right?

Hmmm. Preventative measures.
I gotta whole new perspective. Thanks WTAG.

[Chizzang]

Again, you avoided the question and tried to change the subject to war.

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion about abortion rights
If you can explain to me the exact relevance of your question I will answer it


Proceed...

[travelinman67]

Lawmakers have to make laws that don't directly involve themselves every day of the week. That's how society works.

BTW, I don't assume you love the idea of abortion. I get how you can be against it personally, but OK with it for somebody else. Same way you can be for the legalization of pot, but not partake of it. However, in the case of abortion, the woman is not the subject/user/victim.

There is no victim. It's removal of an unwanted blob of tissue. Like removing a mole or liposuction. Divorce the emotion.

In all fairness, if we applied your "nth degree" philosophical practice to abortion, I would argue that life begins with sentient thought.

Apathetically, as a blob of tissue...

...please, abort yourself.

That's what you're advocating.

[Pwns]

Again, you avoided the question and tried to change the subject to war.

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion about abortion rights
If you can explain to me the exact relevance of your question I will answer it


Proceed...

Now I'm not sure if you're just yanking my chain.

I'm not going to explain something that's obvious from my reply to LB's post.

[Chizzang]

Your question is irrelevant to any discussion about abortion rights
If you can explain to me the exact relevance of your question I will answer it


Proceed...

Now I'm not sure if you're just yanking my chain.

I'm not going to explain something that's obvious from my reply to LB's post.

I'm only jerking your chain in as much as you are in this post:
"So if when life begins is subjective, can I "abort" a healthy infant so long as I humanely end it's life? When you go down the road of moral relativity with respect to where life begins then you have to accept the view of someone else's who you and the vast majority of people may find repugnant."



You reference "a healthy infant"
which is no more relevant to the topic than me asking about bombing civilians...

Off the rails is off the rails
So again: If you can explain to me the exact relevance of your question I will answer it

[travelinman67]

It's called an opinion.

And, yes, life begins at conception, and abortion is murder.

I am right, and you are wrong.

Simple!

Ya...
and your reasonable mature opinion is fascinating (were this the year 1450)
Hey T-man, The Dark Ages called, they want their ignorance and intolerance back

For one who devalues human life, while elevating animal life, your contradiction is exceptionally puzzling.

You view transcendent morality as archaic?

Methinks you've been drinking from the progressive sheeple kool aid cup.



Of all people, you know better.

Stupid apathy does not make you cool.

[houndawg]

Murder..?
So you're the decider when life begins

The pro-choice side is far more guilty of that Cleets. I will be the first to tell you that I have no idea when that exact moment is. But if you agree that we can't decide when that moment is, don't you have to err on the side of life? I find it kind of ironic that you seem to point a finger at people being in the dark ages, but it wasn't that long ago where viability was a LOT further into a term than it is today. Imagine where that line moves in the future. BTW,my stance on abortion is based 100% on logic and has zero to do wtih religion.

At least you recognize that they are two different things.

[CID1990]

Really?

Which laws in the a typical state's criminal code are not based on legislating morality?

That's a cop out position to take. Here's your test:

If the baby is going to kill the mother or create permanent damage to her health, then you abort.

If the mother actually has a choice as to whether or not to abort, then it is murder, period. If a woman chooses to abort a child because it was the product of a rape or incest (VERY rare in comparision to the number of yearly elective abortions, BTW) then there should be a clause permitting that.

It really IS that simple.

Murder..?
So you're the decider when life begins (interesting perspective) and meets my previous posts observation
Where I mention something about coming from a place where you think you know everything

I am on record in numerous previous threads saying that we dont know where the line is, and that from all of the evidence I can see so far, 20 weeks is something I could live with. Thats hardly playing the role of decider, but with the visceral response that usually comes from you when I talk about abortion, I can only conclude that youre conflicted over the cop out position you take on it.... one that is at odds with not only morality, but also science

But thats what happens when we're in the business of justifying killing living humans before they are born, Chitz. You start running into these very inconvenient questions of where life begins.

There is evidence of fetal pain after 20 weeks. Thats all we know right now. I am comfortable legislating on the science we know. Im also comfortable erring on the side of caution and simply outlawing abortion as a method of birth control.

I don't get mad and accuse you or others of playing smartest guy in the room because my conscience in my own position and opinion is perfectly clear and unhindered by the moral gymnastics you must have to execute to cop out to, "we dont know where life begins, therefore we shouldnt bother ourselves with it"

[CID1990]

Lawmakers have to make laws that don't directly involve themselves every day of the week. That's how society works.

BTW, I don't assume you love the idea of abortion. I get how you can be against it personally, but OK with it for somebody else. Same way you can be for the legalization of pot, but not partake of it. However, in the case of abortion, the woman is not the subject/user/victim.

There is no victim. It's removal of an unwanted blob of tissue. Like removing a mole or liposuction. Divorce the emotion.

Capn's obvious trolling aside

There are many people who feel this way and I think their opinion should be on full display, all the time

To them, its a blob of tissue, right up until that moment 9 months after conception that its born

its a miracle of science I tell you- one second youre just a helpless parasite capable of being squashed on a whim - then the next second youre a fully fledged human being

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The pro-choice side is far more guilty of that Cleets. I will be the first to tell you that I have no idea when that exact moment is. But if you agree that we can't decide when that moment is, don't you have to err on the side of life? I find it kind of ironic that you seem to point a finger at people being in the dark ages, but it wasn't that long ago where viability was a LOT further into a term than it is today. Imagine where that line moves in the future. BTW,my stance on abortion is based 100% on logic and has zero to do wtih religion.

Good for you...
I just happen to believe that it is reasonable to give women the ability to make choices
even if some people hate the outcome

Some on here assume I love the idea of abortion - which is ridiculous
What I can't imagine is a country where irrelevant people decide on matters that don't involve them

We cannot go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Women do have the ability to make choices, before they get pregnant. Now they want special treatment and laws like the gays. And that is just FABULOUS

[BDKJMU]

You didn't answer my question, Chizzy. Would you or would you not be okay with someone killing a healthy infant?

There's a reason people like Peter Singer advocate for legal infantcide - to get away from lazy moral reletavist justification for abortion and arbitrary definitions of when a right to life begins.

And no, that's not the same point I made upthread.

I guess I'm about as "okay" will killing infants as I am with our military bombing civilians...
those two things are about as irrelevant as each other in this context

One is intentional and one isn't...

[LeadBolt]

Random thoughts from reading later posts on this thread.

As medical science progresses, the amount of time required for a fetus to be viable outside of the womb gets shorter and shorter.

Abortion is a really crappy way to practice birth control. Even Hobby Lobby benefits provide at least 16 better ways, not including keeping your knees together.

Abortion targets children, bombing does not.

Abortion is disproportionally practiced by minority populations.

[Cap'n Cat]

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Somebody should sue Planned Parenthood for that propaganda piece, what a bunch of misleading BS

[LeadBolt]

As the result of an unplanned pregnancy, I am glad that I was born pre- Roe vs. Wade!

[89Hen]

There is no victim. It's removal of an unwanted blob of tissue. Like removing a mole or liposuction. Divorce the emotion.

See Cleets... Cat pretends to know the moment.

[89Hen]

As the result of an unplanned pregnancy, I am glad that I was born...

Same here.

[CID1990]

Somebody should sue Planned Parenthood for that propaganda piece, what a bunch of misleading BS

Lol

Planned Parenthood

Solving the nigra problem

One blob of cells at a time

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Abortion KILLS 19 Times More Blacks Than Murder!

If this is true, I might have to rethink my stance on abortion. At first glance I would think this is just some made up stats from CNN or MSNBC.

[Cap'n Cat]