The Official Obama SOTU Crap Thread

[HI54UNI]

Yeah, let's tax the college savings of those that are saving up and use that money to give "free" college to other people.

I have two 529s for my daughters. By the time they get to college it is just going to be another runaway government dependency program with high costs created by public money and special interest rules that come with it.

But I digress- my 529s aren't huge, and the grandparents drop a little into them from time to time. The thing is- the money I put into them is already taxed. Now it is going to be taxed twice when I use it for the girls' tuition.

I'm sorry, but the Rockerfellers and the Kennedys arent using 529s to put their kids through college. Its guys like me in the less than 100k per year brackets. This is a 100% middle class tax and it flies right in the face of making college more affordable.

I'm in the same boat. Each month we have faithfully put money in the 529s we have for our kids, even at times when money was tight we cut back on other things to keep making that contribution. We started right away when the kids were born and now one is 14 and the other is 12. It's amazing how much it adds up over time. Now the fuckhead in chief wants to tax it because he thinks I'm rich and it isn't fair.

I wonder how long before he proposes that the govt tax Roth IRA gains too.

[LeadBolt]

Why do the big 4 networks still show this? Stupid..It's more than enough to show it on FNC/CNN/MSNBC/C-SPAN..

Because they are afraid of backlash from the FCC.

[HI54UNI]

Maybe it's not quite as bad as initially reported.

"Current 529 accounts would be grandfathered under the White House plan, so withdrawals of existing funds still would be tax-free."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-propo ... 1421811117

He's still a fuckhead.

[LeadBolt]

Maybe it's not quite as bad as initially reported.

"Current 529 accounts would be grandfathered under the White House plan, so withdrawals of existing funds still would be tax-free."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-propo ... 1421811117

He's still a ****.

Translation:

He would rather have a disconnect from personal responsibility to connect with greater government dependancy and is giving up on those who are already started down the personal responsibility path, but is instead working on turning those who have not.

[kalm]

Obama…just another liberal asshole, raising taxes on the middle class. Who the hell does he think he is?

[Cap'n Cat]

[AZGrizFan]

I have two 529s for my daughters. By the time they get to college it is just going to be another runaway government dependency program with high costs created by public money and special interest rules that come with it.

But I digress- my 529s aren't huge, and the grandparents drop a little into them from time to time. The thing is- the money I put into them is already taxed. Now it is going to be taxed twice when I use it for the girls' tuition.

I'm sorry, but the Rockerfellers and the Kennedys arent using 529s to put their kids through college. Its guys like me in the less than 100k per year brackets. This is a 100% middle class tax and it flies right in the face of making college more affordable.

I'm in the same boat. Each month we have faithfully put money in the 529s we have for our kids, even at times when money was tight we cut back on other things to keep making that contribution. We started right away when the kids were born and now one is 14 and the other is 12. It's amazing how much it adds up over time. Now the fuckhead in chief wants to tax it because he thinks I'm rich and it isn't fair.

I wonder how long before he proposes that the govt tax Roth IRA gains too.

If you can afford to save money, you're by the Donk definition part of the 1% and need to be taxed at a higher rate. How else to give free shit to illegal immigrants?

[CID1990]

Maybe it's not quite as bad as initially reported.

"Current 529 accounts would be grandfathered under the White House plan, so withdrawals of existing funds still would be tax-free."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-propo ... 1421811117

He's still a ****.

I read that as meaning what I put into it before the rule change is safe, but any gains or contributions after the change are still taxable on withdrawal.

I'm still suspicious to the point that I'm glad we now have a GOP congress.

This entire SOTU was just one big trollfest because Obama cant pose new taxes by decree (yet). Im to the point that I really wish the elections were upon us so we can move on to Hillary. She's an ethical black hole but she isnt a populist, which is what we're dealing with now.

[houndawg]

I am enduring it now and all I can say is good LORD I can't wait until this demagouge is out of office and can only hope whoever is next isn't this bad.

Calm down, sweetheart, you're going to catch the vapors with all the unnecessary drama-queening.

Its very simple: Wages have stagnated to the point where there is nothing there to tax, and the money has to come from somewhere, so that leaves the middle class and the wealthy. The wealthy get a soft ride here so by default it has to be the middle-class that coughs up. Seems pretty simple. I mean somebody who was truly for less spending might wonder how much spending the world's largest producer of oil really needs to be doing on keeping mid-east oil safe. Maybe cut back to only 500 bases in 100 countries ...

[CID1990]

Obama…just another liberal asshole, raising taxes on the middle class. Who the hell does he think he is?

[JohnStOnge]

Its very simple: Wages have stagnated to the point where there is nothing there to tax, and the money has to come from somewhere, so that leaves the middle class and the wealthy. The wealthy get a soft ride here so by default it has to be the middle-class that coughs up. Seems pretty simple. I mean somebody who was truly for less spending might wonder how much spending the world's largest producer of oil really needs to be doing on keeping mid-east oil safe. Maybe cut back to only 500 bases in 100 countries

It's the "wealthy." If you consider the "middle 60 percent" as of 2011 to be the "middle class" they contributed 30 percent to total tax revenues while the top 20 percent contributed 69 percent. To ssay that the "wealthy" got a "soft ride" under such circumstances is ridiculous.

And you could get rid of the military entirely and it wouldn't solve our problem. Yes, we could reduce military spending. But the fundamental problem is the idea that government is responsible for guaranteeing everyone's individual well being. Spending on that effort dwarfs military spending. You could eliminate military spending entirely and we'd still have a huge deficit most years.

[mrklean]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

[Ibanez]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

This may comes as a shock to you but, Democrats vote and approve those increases. Dumb ass.

[BDKJMU]

I am enduring it now and all I can say is good LORD I can't wait until this demagouge is out of office and can only hope whoever is next isn't this bad.

Calm down, sweetheart, you're going to catch the vapors with all the unnecessary drama-queening.

Its very simple: Wages have stagnated to the point where there is nothing there to tax, and the money has to come from somewhere, so that leaves the middle class and the wealthy. The wealthy get a soft ride here so by default it has to be the middle-class that coughs up. Seems pretty simple. I mean somebody who was truly for less spending might wonder how much spending the world's largest producer of oil really needs to be doing on keeping mid-east oil safe. Maybe cut back to only 500 bases in 100 countries ...

We can quit spending $$ on keeping Mid East oil safe as soon as your fellow liberals quit blocking production off both coasts, in the eastern Gulf, in some Alaskan waters, in ANWR, and other resource rich govt lands where it's blocked. Govt could be getting all that lease $$. All that royalty $$. All that tax revenue. But instead, liberal policies mean we will continue to get a big chunk from the Mid East with more military involvement, continuing to line the pockets of oil sheiks..

[JohnStOnge]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

I think people bitch about military spending all the time and there have been plenty of anecdotes that make big news about how much the military spends on a toilet or something like that.

But at LEAST national defense is a legitimate responsibility of the Federal government. It's an explicit Constitutional responsibility. Education is not. That's a State responsibility should a given State decide to get into it. Actually, the Federal government really shouldn't be involved in Education at all.

Yes Education benefits the country but Education in this country relative to the rest of the world was probably better before the US Department of Education was established than it is now. One can reasonably argue that all getting the Federal government involved did was make it more expensive and less effective at the same time.

[kalm]

Obama…just another liberal asshole, raising taxes on the middle class. Who the hell does he think he is?

I agree, CID! It is kinda silly to not consider Reagan's actions while critiquing Obama!

[mrklean]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

This may comes as a shock to you but, Democrats vote and approve those increases. Dumb ass.

I don't care if Santa vote for this. BILLIONS of tax payer dollars wasted adn you want to bitch about educating our young people.

[mrklean]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

I think people bitch about military spending all the time and there have been plenty of anecdotes that make big news about how much the military spends on a toilet or something like that.

But at LEAST national defense is a legitimate responsibility of the Federal government. It's an explicit Constitutional responsibility. Education is not. That's a State responsibility should a given State decide to get into it. Actually, the Federal government really shouldn't be involved in Education at all.

Yes Education benefits the country but Education in this country relative to the rest of the world was probably better before the US Department of Education was established than it is now. One can reasonably argue that all getting the Federal government involved did was make it more expensive and less effective at the same time.

I have no problem in defending out country. Our military deserve the best Weapons, but I do not agree with the waste. The F-22 and 35 are money pits. They cost too much to maintain. This is not a wise move on the DOD. I have not problem in people getting a free education. This country needs a smart work force not an overinflated Department of Defense.

[AZGrizFan]

This may comes as a shock to you but, Democrats vote and approve those increases. Dumb ass.

I don't care if Santa vote for this. BILLIONS of tax payer dollars wasted adn you want to bitch about educating our young people.

If Santa was black you'd support his sorry ass no matter WHAT he said or voted for.

[CID1990]

I agree, CID! It is kinda silly to not consider Reagan's actions while critiquing Obama!

It IS silly when you consider that Reagan is not only not president, he's dead.

As with all doctrinaire liberals (and you are an exemplar of one) moral equivalence is your refuge when you cannot dispute the dicussion.

[CID1990]

This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

It is now that you and Klam have weighed in.

Not even ideologues.... you just support the left come hell or high water.

[kalm]

I agree, CID! It is kinda silly to not consider Reagan's actions while critiquing Obama!

It IS silly when you consider that Reagan is not only not president, he's dead.

As with all doctrinaire liberals (and you are an exemplar of one) moral equivalence is your refuge when you cannot dispute the dicussion.

I love it when you pull out the "doctrinaire liberal" line.

[ASUG8]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

You're like a broken record on the F-22 and F-35. We get it, they're messed up right now. But you can't upfit an FA-18, F-16, or F-15 to be a 5th gen fighter like the Russians and now the Chinese are rolling out. Maybe letting them steal the intel on the F-35 was a brilliant plan.

Oh, and it's "education".

[Ibanez]

This may comes as a shock to you but, Democrats vote and approve those increases. Dumb ass.

I don't care if Santa vote for this. BILLIONS of tax payer dollars wasted adn you want to bitch about educating our young people.

I don't bitch about education. You're the one who believes there's a white agenda and Democrats have never done a bad thing in Congress.

[Ibanez]

Repukes only bitch about big government when it does not affect them. Everyone knows that investing in eduction for our population will only benefit our country. No one bitches about the DOD when they waste 20 billion on a weapons system that does not work aka Coast Guard Deep Water project. Or we spend billions of tax payer dollars of overpriced fighters like the F-22 and F-35. No one bitches about this waste. This should be called the DUMB FVCK THREAD.

You're like a broken record on the F-22 and F-35. We get it, they're messed up right now. But you can't upfit an FA-18, F-16, or F-15 to be a 5th gen fighter like the Russians and now the Chinese are rolling out. Maybe letting them steal the intel on the F-35 was a brilliant plan.

Oh, and it's "education".

He doesn't care about that. I worked on a USMC project about 7 yrs ago and, for use in Iraq, this former company bought Ford 550's with 5th wheels and put armor on them without updating any hinges or adding support. The Military doesn't have 5th wheel attachments. I now see that klean was the "genius" behind this move.