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Is it a good thing? :nod:

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Party’s over? Record voters say they’re Independents, reject 'D' and 'R'
Record numbers of American voters are rejecting both major political parties – Democrat and Republican. Instead, according to new poll findings, they’re registering to vote as Independents in increasing numbers.

Christian Science Monitor By Brad Knickerbocker

Call it a political plague on both your houses, to mangle Shakespeare. But record numbers of American voters are rejecting both major political parties – Democrat and Republican. Instead, according to new poll findings, they’re registering to vote as Independents in increasing numbers.

Specifically, according to new Gallup findings, the number of self-declared Independents has climbed to a record 43 percent, the highest number since the pollster began tallying such figures back in 1988 – leaving Democrats and Republicans trailing far behind at 30 percent and 26 percent respectively.
The low voter turnout last November “likely heralds a new stage in the disintegration of the American political order,” warn political scientists Walter Dean Burnham (University of Texas) and Thomas Ferguson (University of Massachusetts) in a piece at alternet.org. “Increasing numbers of average Americans can no longer stomach voting for parties that only pretend to represent their interests.”

In another recent research piece, professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) point to why many Americans are turned off by partisan politics based on perceptions about “who really rules.”

"The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy," they write, "while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."
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Did you read the whole article, bearded klam? The key sentence is buried near the bottom: "In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote."

And most independents are not ideologically moderate -- they lean Democrat if liberal, Republican if conservative.

What is your point? Not much new here. Waste of new thread. Move on.
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Ivytalk wrote:Did you read the whole article, bearded klam? The key sentence is buried near the bottom: "In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote."

And most independents are not ideologically moderate -- they lean Democrat if liberal, Republican if conservative.

What is your point? Not much new here. Waste of new thread. Move on.
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Actually the # of independents is always undercounted. Many feel if they register independent and they can't vote in their state's primaries/caucuses that they're excluded from the process so they stay registered R or D, but in fact they're an I. (myself included)
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Ivytalk wrote:Did you read the whole article, bearded klam? The key sentence is buried near the bottom: "In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote."

And most independents are not ideologically moderate -- they lean Democrat if liberal, Republican if conservative.

What is your point? Not much new here. Waste of new thread. Move on.

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In MAryland, you didn't have to register as an independant, it sort of defaulted. But now there is an Independant Party in Maryland, so I had to manually register as "Unaffiliate"
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In one of its follow-up questions, Gallup also asks which way Independents are “leaning” – Democrat or Republican.

When “leaners” are added to those who identify themselves as D or R, the totals rise to 45 percent as Democrat and 42 percent as Republican.

Writing in the Washington Post, political scientist John Sides at George Washington University says this is more important than formal party affiliation.

“Why is it more important?” he writes. “Because independents who lean toward a party – or ‘independent leaners’ – behave like partisans, on average. They tend to be loyal to their party’s candidate in elections. They tend to have favorable views of many political figures in their party. They are not much more likely to identify as ideologically moderate. To be sure, independent leaners are not as partisan as the strongest partisans. But they resemble weaker partisans much more than they do real independents. In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote.
So what this part is saying is that if you tend to vote for one party more often than another that you aren't a "real" independent. I think that's confusing centrism and independence.
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Of course there are way more indies that people think. Regardless, though, there are still just two parties to vote for so it's a moot point in some ways.
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GannonFan wrote:Of course there are way more indies that people think. Regardless, though, there are still just two parties to vote for so it's a moot point in some ways.
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And that's the point Ivy misses completely.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Did you read the whole article, bearded klam? The key sentence is buried near the bottom: "In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote."

And most independents are not ideologically moderate -- they lean Democrat if liberal, Republican if conservative.

What is your point? Not much new here. Waste of new thread. Move on.

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kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:Of course there are way more indies that people think. Regardless, though, there are still just two parties to vote for so it's a moot point in some ways.
:nod:

And that's the point Ivy misses completely.
Good old klam... pointing fingers, not suggesting any solutions. Why don't you, Ganny and billk crank up a political party that "true independents" can get behind? :coffee:
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There are more registered "Independents" in Arizona than Donks or Conks (What do we call Independents - Flops?)

However, quite a few are moderate Republicans too embarrassed to be associated with the state GOP, but mostly vote GOP anyways.
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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
:nod:

And that's the point Ivy misses completely.
Good old klam... pointing fingers, not suggesting any solutions. Why don't you, Ganny and billk crank up a political party that "true independents" can get behind? :coffee:
Because it doesn't really matter because for certain issues the indies can match up with and vote for Dems, and on other issues they can do so with the GOP. Neither party is wrong all the time despite what the zealots in each party say of the other party.
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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
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And that's the point Ivy misses completely.
Good old klam... pointing fingers, not suggesting any solutions. Why don't you, Ganny and billk crank up a political party that "true independents" can get behind? :coffee:
Break the grip of the two parties. :nod:
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dbackjon wrote:There are more registered "Independents" in Arizona than Donks or Conks (What do we call Independents - Flops?)

However, quite a few are moderate Republicans too embarrassed to be associated with the state GOP, but mostly vote GOP anyways.
Is there a poll for that or did you just do a survey of some people you know?
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kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Good old klam... pointing fingers, not suggesting any solutions. Why don't you, Ganny and billk crank up a political party that "true independents" can get behind? :coffee:
Break the grip of the two parties. :nod:
If a third party could stand for something different than the two then it would exist. However, even as we see with the Tea Party of the GOP and the Progressives in the Democratic party, there's not enough substance to either extremist movement to result in a real third party. Just a lot of hot air mainly.
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kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Good old klam... pointing fingers, not suggesting any solutions. Why don't you, Ganny and billk crank up a political party that "true independents" can get behind? :coffee:
Break the grip of the two parties. :nod:
How? :coffee:

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GannonFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:There are more registered "Independents" in Arizona than Donks or Conks (What do we call Independents - Flops?)

However, quite a few are moderate Republicans too embarrassed to be associated with the state GOP, but mostly vote GOP anyways.
Is there a poll for that or did you just do a survey of some people you know?


Many polls on it over the years here in Arizona. People leave the GOP (and Dem) but never really become truly independent - vote the same way they always have.

I could change my registration today to Independent. Would that change how I vote? Nope.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Did you read the whole article, bearded klam? The key sentence is buried near the bottom: "In actuality, real independents make up just over 10 percent of Americans, and a small fraction of Americans who actually vote."

And most independents are not ideologically moderate -- they lean Democrat if liberal, Republican if conservative.

What is your point? Not much new here. Waste of new thread. Move on.
I agree. I think it's become kind of a fad to call yourself "independent."
Yep, same as being "gay" or "black" its the in thing.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I agree. I think it's become kind of a fad to call yourself "independent."
Yep, same as being "gay" or "black" its the in thing.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I agree. I think it's become kind of a fad to call yourself "independent."
Yep, same as being "gay" or "black" its the in thing.

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If that was true I would own the world.........wait, I already do. It would be silly for me to resort to those tactics to help me fit in better and make it easier for me to get through life.

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I agree. I think it's become kind of a fad to call yourself "independent."
Yep, same as being "gay" or "black" its the in thing.
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Fat? :roll:

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